So why are the artifact items in the store not dyeable again?

RaveRaveRaveRave · November 2019

I would buy ALL of them if they were about to be dyed. What is the reasoning for them to not be dyed again? I don't want to use an ugly brown weapon/shield with all my shiny gear. Seems like a serious missed opportunity.

Michae · November 2019

Apparently copies of artifacts must be flawless, no other materials allowed. I don't know really why they disablet dyeing on those, I haven't bought any artifact so far, though I might get Mehrunes' Razor depending on whether they won't botch it's size.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · November 2019

This is a fantasy RPG game where almost all your gear can be dyed in the most hideous shades of metallic pink...

Can we just have a bit of respect for those legendary artifacts that have been a huge part of the lore for over twenty years in some cases?

Thanks.

ZOS has my full support in blocking dyes on these items. The only reason I don't buy them is because I prefer a truly common look. However, when I see someone wielding a replica, I would like to think it's a 1:1 replica, and yes, that includes colour. Ask any serious model maker the same...

Goregrinder · November 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

This is a fantasy RPG game where almost all your gear can be dyed in the most hideous shades of metallic pink...

Can we just have a bit of respect for those legendary artifacts that have been a huge part of the lore for over twenty years in some cases?

Thanks.

ZOS has my full support in blocking dyes on these items. The only reason I don't buy them is because I prefer a truly common look. However, when I see someone wielding a replica, I would like to think it's a 1:1 replica, and yes, that includes colour. Ask any serious model maker the same...

That's literally the defining factor on whether something is a replica or not...how accurate it is. If it's not a 1:1 (outside of scale), then it's NOT a replica.

Kalik_Gold · November 2019

I like them non dyeable, they retain the look thru all of Elder Scrolls lore. Would hate to see a pink an orange artifact.

I own Chrysamere, Volendrung and Sinweaver and I adapt my gear and style around them.

May also buy the shield for my tank, but not sure. Most of my characters have a theme already.

Michae · November 2019

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · November 2019

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

RaveRaveRaveRave · November 2019

What if I dye them pink for breast cancer awareness month? Kinda like when the NFL has pink jerseys.

Michae · November 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

NotaDaedraWorshipper · November 2019

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

Yes, the ship has sailed on that, but that doesn't mean the whole darn fleet need to aswell. Can't we have some restraint in all the sparkle mounts, skins and horrible dye jobs.

Michae · November 2019

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

Yes, the ship has sailed on that, but that doesn't mean the whole darn fleet need to aswell. Can't we have some restraint in all the sparkle mounts, skins and horrible dye jobs.

Hey, ther is a restraint since the artifacts aren't dyeable. And as I said I'd probably wouldn't run around with a pink Mehrunes' Razor. I'm just curious on why people are so ready to tell others what to do. For me it's always the more options the better, even if I'm not gonna use them. And if you want "muh immershun" then MMO by default isn't really a place for that. Massively multiplayer games tend to grab attention of people with many interests. Some are here for raw gameplay, be it PvP or PvE and don't care about cosmetics, some are here for the lore, some are to make houses and some are here to make silly costumes. Who am I to deny any of them anything? But then, maybe if we had a dedicated rp server, hmm ZOS? *eyebrow wiggle*

CMDR_Un1k0rn · November 2019

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

I'll tell you why I think the artefacts should not be dyed: Unlike most MMORPGs which are set in a universe made in the outset for the game, ESO came in just shy of TWENTY years AFTER the universe was established.

Like it or not but some of us here were quite invested in Elder Scrolls long before the idea of an MMO even entered the conference room at Zenimax Towers, and long before many people here ever touched an Elder Scrolls game.

Now I'm fine with, well actually I'm not, but I tolerate all the pink armour that isn't based on a literal divine artifact. Most armour and weapons in this game are just that: Weapons with no real lore.

The artefacts though? No that's where myself and I suspect many life-long fans of TES draw the line. These artefacts sometimes have more lore than an entire city of characters to their name.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but the reacts already show me that several people in fact do, and well, the reality is right now, so does ZOS.

Jayne_Doe · November 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

I'll tell you why I think the artefacts should not be dyed: Unlike most MMORPGs which are set in a universe made in the outset for the game, ESO came in just shy of TWENTY years AFTER the universe was established.

Like it or not but some of us here were quite invested in Elder Scrolls long before the idea of an MMO even entered the conference room at Zenimax Towers, and long before many people here ever touched an Elder Scrolls game.

Now I'm fine with, well actually I'm not, but I tolerate all the pink armour that isn't based on a literal divine artifact. Most armour and weapons in this game are just that: Weapons with no real lore.

The artefacts though? No that's where myself and I suspect many life-long fans of TES draw the line. These artefacts sometimes have more lore than an entire city of characters to their name.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but the reacts already show me that several people in fact do, and well, the reality is right now, so does ZOS.

Well said.

And why shouldn't there be some items with some restrictions? After all, as already mentioned, there are TONS of options in this game already. So what if there are a handful of ARTIFACT replicas that can't be dyed. Players have plenty of other options that are.

Michae · November 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

I'll tell you why I think the artefacts should not be dyed: Unlike most MMORPGs which are set in a universe made in the outset for the game, ESO came in just shy of TWENTY years AFTER the universe was established.

Like it or not but some of us here were quite invested in Elder Scrolls long before the idea of an MMO even entered the conference room at Zenimax Towers, and long before many people here ever touched an Elder Scrolls game.

Now I'm fine with, well actually I'm not, but I tolerate all the pink armour that isn't based on a literal divine artifact. Most armour and weapons in this game are just that: Weapons with no real lore.

The artefacts though? No that's where myself and I suspect many life-long fans of TES draw the line. These artefacts sometimes have more lore than an entire city of characters to their name.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but the reacts already show me that several people in fact do, and well, the reality is right now, so does ZOS.

You sound angry. Chill. I think if we were to draw the line somewhere it would be on players having those "replicas" at all. If I see dozen of players running around with a dozen of Mehrunes' Razors, I really don't care if one happens to be pink. As I said, I wouldn't dye mine pink, but the ship on lore friendliness has sailed, even in regard to the artifact. And I love the lore and I do get annoyed by some players looks, their unfamiliarity with the lore or even stories in game, their silly or lazy names, but that unfortunately comes with the territory of a MMO. I just tend to tune those things out, so I'd just tune out pink razors same as everything else. And sure, I'd prefer a single player TES game but since Bethesda doesn't provide, here I am. Of course I don't expect for you to agree with me, but I really don't appreciate curating other people's fun due to some of your own biases. Especially since if we go by the replica route those unfaithful replicas are really even more lore friendly to me since it would be clearly seen that they aren't the real thing. And no matter how much you care about the story behind these artifacts, ESO is still a game, there's really no point getting angry about it. I'd say live and let live, especially since you got your way with artifacts. I'm just trying to have fun discussion here.

Taleof2Cities · November 2019

Michae wrote: »

And no matter how much you care about the story behind these artifacts, ESO is still a game, there's really no point getting angry about it. I'd say live and let live, especially since you got your way with artifacts. I'm just trying to have fun discussion here.

Are you really having a fun discussion?

By belittling other forum-goers because this is an MMO and lore doesn’t really matter?

Before you answer that, over 99% of the outfit styles, motifs, and costumes in the game are dyable.

You’re complaining about the 1% (LESS than 1%) artifact items that aren’t dyable.

Not that it matters what you and I think.

Because ZOS’s view is that artifact items should be cosmetically showcased as they have in prior Elder Scrolls games ... which simply means not dyable.

In other words, your ship sailed last May, @Michae, when artifacts were announced in ESO news.

Time to move on to more current topics of discussion.

Michae · November 2019

I don't really care if the artifacts are dyeable or not, they're fine for me as they are. But I'm just expressing here that I find two things weird here:

1. The arbitrary line in sand they made in regards of dyeing artifacts, especially since they call them replicas, doesn't really make sense to me. If you can run in pink Temple Ordinator armor (pretty iconic if you ask me) I don't think it'll a problem if you could run with a pink Mehrunes' Razor.

2. The way you and many others express themselves here on the forums, "I don't like something so it shouldn't be allowed.", and it's not just on the topic of artifact dyes, it's all over the place and I'm just a bit baffled.

That second sentiment really rubs me the wrong way and that's why I'm even replying. What I'm trying to say over and over is that different people find different ways of playing fun in this game.

There are people who are here for the lore and story - usually TES fans that were tired of waiting for TES VI nd just want some good ol' Tamriel adventure. That would be me, and I'm guessing that also you. But there are also some that don't care about those things, they just want an MMO in a fantasy setting. Who am I to tell how they are supposed to have fun? I don't want to use flashy outfits then I don't, same with mounts and same with pink artifacts. I wouldn't want for someone to forbid me from using normal colored artifacts, just because they don't like them, so I'm trying to not do the same thing in reverse. And if someone runs past me with a pink Ordinator Armor, the pink Mehrunes' Razor at their belt is the least important part of the eyesore that they are to me. But hey, I can ignore them and they don't really take away my fun.

So sorry, I'm not trying to belittle you or anybody here really, nor am I trying to make ZOS change their stance on artifacts. I'm just expressing my views on curating other people's fun, when what others do or look like in this game doesn't really impact you in any way. Lore matters to you, good, uphold it in your own regard. I love the lore, I'm active in rp guilds and we try to make our characters by the book, both in names, backstories and their looks. But some people are here for the pew pews and nothing else, that's fine to, that's the nature of an MMO. Unfortunately unless you are on some strict ruled rp server there are always be people who are "breaking immersion". And thus I find that line in the sand drawn at colourful artifacts strange and somewhat unfair. I don't really expect for you to change your mind, but can you at least try to understand where I'm coming from? And I really didn't want to antagonize or belittle you, if I did then I'm sorry. Peace?

Radiance · November 2019

You don't paint priceless artifacts, you savages! But you also don't use them in battle... They should be in a museum!

Rabble! Rabble! Rabble!

No, I honestly don't care. Don't buy them if you don't like them... I didn't!

ThatGeminiBilly · November 2019

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Why do you people care about what others want to do? If you don't want to dye that artifact then don't, I don't have any problem with someone running with pink Mahrunes' Razor, at least no more than with multiple people running with a normal colored one. The pink one can be called Steve's Razor for all I care. And if your gripe is with bright colored, glowy or shiny stuff in general then I hate to break it to you, that ship has already sailed years ago.

Still, even if I could I probably wouldn't be dyeing my artifact if I ever get one.

If I can toggle off the dye on my end, sure.

Until then, while I have no choice in seeing those ugly "outfits" people make for their characters, I have one request: The artifact replicas are exempt from pink dye.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

Why? The ship on pink dyes has already sailed. And this is MMO, there are people who care about the lore and dress and name their characters accordingly and there are those who want to look ridiculous and have silly or just not well thought out names. There are orcs in wedding dresses, nordic bathing towels, ridiculous shiny skins and particle effects, glowing mounts, and tons of other stuff that can be considered not friendly to the lore. So I don't think that pink Mehrunes' Razor would ruin anything. As I said, if you care about such things, that ship has already sailed. So what else have you got?

I'll tell you why I think the artefacts should not be dyed: Unlike most MMORPGs which are set in a universe made in the outset for the game, ESO came in just shy of TWENTY years AFTER the universe was established.

Like it or not but some of us here were quite invested in Elder Scrolls long before the idea of an MMO even entered the conference room at Zenimax Towers, and long before many people here ever touched an Elder Scrolls game.

Now I'm fine with, well actually I'm not, but I tolerate all the pink armour that isn't based on a literal divine artifact. Most armour and weapons in this game are just that: Weapons with no real lore.

The artefacts though? No that's where myself and I suspect many life-long fans of TES draw the line. These artefacts sometimes have more lore than an entire city of characters to their name.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but the reacts already show me that several people in fact do, and well, the reality is right now, so does ZOS.

You sound angry. Chill. I think if we were to draw the line somewhere it would be on players having those "replicas" at all. If I see dozen of players running around with a dozen of Mehrunes' Razors, I really don't care if one happens to be pink. As I said, I wouldn't dye mine pink, but the ship on lore friendliness has sailed, even in regard to the artifact. And I love the lore and I do get annoyed by some players looks, their unfamiliarity with the lore or even stories in game, their silly or lazy names, but that unfortunately comes with the territory of a MMO. I just tend to tune those things out, so I'd just tune out pink razors same as everything else. And sure, I'd prefer a single player TES game but since Bethesda doesn't provide, here I am. Of course I don't expect for you to agree with me, but I really don't appreciate curating other people's fun due to some of your own biases. Especially since if we go by the replica route those unfaithful replicas are really even more lore friendly to me since it would be clearly seen that they aren't the real thing. And no matter how much you care about the story behind these artifacts, ESO is still a game, there's really no point getting angry about it. I'd say live and let live, especially since you got your way with artifacts. I'm just trying to have fun discussion here.

Wait....so you're saying "Givesya Woodelf" isn't a lore friendly name?

Acrolas · November 2019

Bethesda likely created the somewhat contradictory parameters. The artifacts could be in the Crown Store. They had to be labelled as fake. But they also had to retain all distinctive features of the original gear.

As items like the Ebony Blade or Goldbrand have color as a distinctive feature, it was probably decided early on to make a global rule (no dyes), rather than consider them on a case by case basis. Also, it's subjective at what point distinctive features are obscured. Would painting Spellbreaker all black make it substantially less recognizable as Spellbreaker? Possibly.

This is probably also why the Dawnbreaker Artifact Style was not included in the Meridian motif.

Michae · November 2019

Acrolas wrote: »

Bethesda likely created the somewhat contradictory parameters. The artifacts could be in the Crown Store. They had to be labelled as fake. But they also had to retain all distinctive features of the original gear.

As items like the Ebony Blade or Goldbrand have color as a distinctive feature, it was probably decided early on to make a global rule (no dyes), rather than consider them on a case by case basis. Also, it's subjective at what point distinctive features are obscured. Would painting Spellbreaker all black make it substantially less recognizable as Spellbreaker? Possibly.

This is probably also why the Dawnbreaker Artifact Style was not included in the Meridian motif.

Now that's the answer I could get behind.

RaveRaveRaveRave · November 2019

Radiance wrote: »

You don't paint priceless artifacts, you savages! But you also don't use them in battle... They should be in a museum!

Rabble! Rabble! Rabble!

No, I honestly don't care. Don't buy them if you don't like them... I didn't!

I don't like them so I didn't buy them. If they were dyeable, I would have bought them to match my overall look...and it's not pink. Didn't know Elder Scrolls replica artifacts were such serious biSness.

wild_kmacdb16_ESO · November 2019

I'm guessing the justification is, is that dying them would do a 'dishonor' to their legendary status... buuut I think thats already gone down the crapper when it's being wielded by a pink orc in a Nordic bathing towel, who acquired it by spending a mysterious currency called 'American Dollars'/?