Nightblade is fine

StaticWave

Despite the nerfs to many class skills, NB still does insane damage, and is one of the best classes right now. Watch this video of a great stamblade player on PC EU, and see for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGBlNhC5UY&t=175s

Vlad9425

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

StaticWave

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

No class can kill as quickly and effectively as a NB can. Not even a stamden can burst down a target that quickly

Tommy_The_Gun

So, you made your own thread about it ?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Lol what? Any other class being controlled by a good player can do this. Shameless self promotion. The build is meh too. I know because you posted it a couple of days ago. Basic. Nothing new to see here.

Not saying NB isn’t good, my main is an NB. I’m just saying this isn’t special by any means.

ChunkyCat

haters gon’ hate

Vlad9425

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

No class can kill as quickly and effectively as a NB can. Not even a stamden can burst down a target that quickly

Well this is just a lie because other classes can easily burst down people this quickly on high burst builds also you chose a video where the guy is making a montage so obviously he has edited in the best clips. Just cause you watched a video of one of the best players getting kills doesn't mean the class is fine there are many frustrating decisions which were made to NB in the previous few updates.

StaticWave

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

Vlad9425

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

StaticWave

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol what? Any other class being controlled by a good player can do this. Shameless self promotion. The build is meh too. I know because you posted it a couple of days ago. Basic. Nothing new to see here.

Not saying NB isn’t good, my main is an NB. I’m just saying this isn’t special by any means.

First of all, I clearly stated that this is not my video, so it’s not self promotion.

Second, Nb’s entire kit is designed to kill people fast. I cannot replicate the same efficiency on a stamsorc or stamdk, no matter how good I am. There’s always going to be class limitations. It’s like saying a Warden does equally as good as a Nb in a 1v1 when its kit is more designed for GvG compared to a 1v1 designed kit of a Nb.

Third, this is not my build or my video. Please actually read the post and watch the video before posting.

Fourth, I’m using this video as gameplay proof (not mine) for my argument about how Nb is fine. Talking isn’t going to prove anything. There needs to be evidence and this one does it

StaticWave

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

I do? I play both NB and stamsorc. Like I said Nb is fine. Mind if I ask what platform you play on?

Vlad9425

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

I do? I play both NB and stamsorc. Like I said Nb is fine. Mind if I ask what platform you play on?

OK so you claim to play NB yet you try to make a thread saying the NB is in a great spot when it's apparent that there are issues with the class as 95% of NB players who do all the content on the game will confirm. I play on PS4.

StaticWave

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

I do? I play both NB and stamsorc. Like I said Nb is fine. Mind if I ask what platform you play on?

OK so you claim to play NB yet you try to make a thread saying the NB is in a great spot when it's apparent that there are issues with the class as 95% of NB players who do all the content on the game will confirm. I play on PS4.

Yes... It’s usually Nb mains that complain about Nbs being weak. Same with any people complaining about their main being weak but not looking at the strong stuff.

I mean the whole point of that video was to prove that Nb is still great at doing damage and surviving. Most fights in that clip were in no CP BGs against high mmr players. You can’t say Nb does weak damage or has low survivability when sniker literally sh*ts out damage in the clips

martinhpb16_ESO

Posting vids by one of the best NBs out there before the latest patch does not show NB is in a good place.

Why dont you show us your own vid to prove it?

StaticWave

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Posting vids by one of the best NBs out there before the latest patch does not show NB is in a good place.

Why dont you show us your own vid to prove it?

Sure! I’ll get back to you in a week

Vlad9425

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

I do? I play both NB and stamsorc. Like I said Nb is fine. Mind if I ask what platform you play on?

OK so you claim to play NB yet you try to make a thread saying the NB is in a great spot when it's apparent that there are issues with the class as 95% of NB players who do all the content on the game will confirm. I play on PS4.

Yes... It’s usually Nb mains that complain about Nbs being weak. Same with any people complaining about their main being weak but not looking at the strong stuff.

I mean the whole point of that video was to prove that Nb is still great at doing damage and surviving. Most fights in that clip were in no CP BGs against high mmr players. You can’t say Nb does weak damage or has low survivability when sniker literally sh*ts out damage in the clips

At no point have I said NB is "weak" I am simply stating the fact that there are things wrong with the class which doesn't make it "fine". There are issues with the class and sure in the right circumstances and against the right opponents you can get clips like you see in that video but like I said before this isn't an accurate representation of how combat flows in ESO and like I said before this can be achieved on other classes too.

StaticWave

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

A good player can do that on any class and I'd argue even more efficiently on some classes. NB has never felt more crap to play so no the class isn't "fine" there are many issues, the cast time on Incap being the main issue.

I mean I could say the same about dawnbreaker’s cast time or any ultimates. That’s more of a cast time issue than class issue. It doesn’t make NB weak. You and I can ramble on all day long about NB being weak or strong but at the end of the day actual gameplay speaks more volume and I provided just that. Nb remains at the top with regards to damage capability. It always has when you look at their tool kit. I can build maximum damage on my stamsorc or stamdk but I will never be able to match a stamblade’s burst potential. It’s just how the class was designed.

I also have a Stam Sorc mate and it's a much better class to play than Stamblade right now I can assure you. Maybe try actually playing Stam NB then come back here and tell me how Overpowered it is or maybe you'll quickly realize why its one of the least played classes in the game.

I do? I play both NB and stamsorc. Like I said Nb is fine. Mind if I ask what platform you play on?

OK so you claim to play NB yet you try to make a thread saying the NB is in a great spot when it's apparent that there are issues with the class as 95% of NB players who do all the content on the game will confirm. I play on PS4.

Yes... It’s usually Nb mains that complain about Nbs being weak. Same with any people complaining about their main being weak but not looking at the strong stuff.

I mean the whole point of that video was to prove that Nb is still great at doing damage and surviving. Most fights in that clip were in no CP BGs against high mmr players. You can’t say Nb does weak damage or has low survivability when sniker literally sh*ts out damage in the clips

At no point have I said NB is "weak" I am simply stating the fact that there are things wrong with the class which doesn't make it "fine". There are issues with the class and sure in the right circumstances and against the right opponents you can get clips like you see in that video but like I said before this isn't an accurate representation of how combat flows in ESO and like I said before this can be achieved on other classes too.

Dizzy + ultimate is not as fluid and efficient as surprise attack + incap

deepseamk20b14_ESO

StaticWave wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol what? Any other class being controlled by a good player can do this. Shameless self promotion. The build is meh too. I know because you posted it a couple of days ago. Basic. Nothing new to see here.

Not saying NB isn’t good, my main is an NB. I’m just saying this isn’t special by any means.

First of all, I clearly stated that this is not my video, so it’s not self promotion.

Second, Nb’s entire kit is designed to kill people fast. I cannot replicate the same efficiency on a stamsorc or stamdk, no matter how good I am. There’s always going to be class limitations. It’s like saying a Warden does equally as good as a Nb in a 1v1 when its kit is more designed for GvG compared to a 1v1 designed kit of a Nb.

Third, this is not my build or my video. Please actually read the post and watch the video before posting.

Fourth, I’m using this video as gameplay proof (not mine) for my argument about how Nb is fine. Talking isn’t going to prove anything. There needs to be evidence and this one does it

I read it and watched the video. Clearly a great player. It’s just weird that more than one post referring to the person in the video has been made on this persons behalf in a fairly small amount of time, on these forums. That’s the only reason it struck me as shameless self promotion and someone talking in the third person. Nothing wrong with it. It’s advertising like anything else. I also agree NB is strong. Just saying many classes are equally strong and NB hasn’t had some love in awhile (from ZoS). I love my NB. It’s extremely tough and has huge burst potential, though I think it’s a lot on the players shoulders to make it work as well. I would imagine the average player could not do what I or the player in the video could do, and I’m not claiming to be better or worse than the person in this video, but i do know the class and have played other classes as well. Not trying to be argumentative, I feel we would probably agree on 95% of the stuff being mentioned in these posts. NB is NOT in a bad spot at the moment.

GhostofDatthaw

*blows raspberry

Zulera301

Let's play "Find the Nightblade".

Jhalin

Zulera301 wrote: »

Let's play "Find the Nightblade".

If that’s a high MMR match, it’s those 0/7s and 0/5s

Langeston

Zulera301 wrote: »

Let's play "Find the Nightblade".

Let's play "anecdotal evidence doesn't mean [snip]"

[Edit for minor profanity]

Rezdayn

Zulera301 wrote: »

Let's play "Find the Nightblade".

When "Grezlow" and "Susurraviento" are your pocket tank/heals you should be getting a good kdr.

hakan

"Nb is fine"

-Sorcs.

(and no. every class can burst just like nb. if you cant, well.. whats the word..uh.. L2P xD)