Poll: [PVP] How much sustain do you run with?

Langeston

I have seen a lot of complaints re: sustain lately, and I'm curious what everyone is running with. Since it has been my experience that there is typically a [not insignificant] difference in the amount of sustain required in PVE vs PVP, I have limited the question to PVP.

Based on some of the threads I've read, I get the nagging suspicion that part of the issue may be that a lot of people are running 3x damage sets with 3x infused weapon/spell damage glyphs & then wondering why they're running out of resources relative to the people running sustain sets and/or sustain glyphs.

Best regards

WoppaBoem

1601-1900

My magdk sustain is ruined and the class is gone for me. Running 1800+ and still run out half of the time. My magwarden is awesome with a solid 1300 - 1600 I am fine in all situations.

susmitds

1901-2200

Varies widely between class and builds.

Deathlord92

I like to keep my sustain around 1902-2200 nb needs to hit hard and stay in the fight.

Ragnarock41

1901-2200

Can't have a medium build work without proper sustain, especially in no-CP. With continuous assault and potion passive Its easy to break over 2k stam regen.

NBrookus

Varies widely between build type and purpose. On some stam builds I can run as low as 800ish. Most builds are in the 1200-1700 range though.

BaiterOfZergs

Depends on the class, I’ve had some real low base regen on stam dk under 1k for an example. Sustain also feels different going from class to class and from stam to mag. 2k regen isn’t necessarily going to feel like 2k regen on another class or spec.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

On my mag DK 1150 give or take. Stam blade I run 2200, run one infused cost reduction as well. Probably could change it to weapon damage. Stam sorc 1900.

cmvet

all depends on the build I'm running. My Stamblade sits about 1500-1600, my magplar currently sits at 800 (don't really need anymore, its argonian), my bombblade sits at 625, my stamden is about 1100 or so. Sustain isn't that bad, it's about resource management. Either you can do it or you can't. Those really good players you see are very good at resource management and burst timing.

DUTCH_REAPER

1901-2200

My mag blade is 2000. My mdk is 1600

Lord-Otto

Is that poll for buffed stats or base?

Vizirith

1301-1600

Unbuffed magplar, but as mentioned by others it can vary wildly by build. I run elemental drain and rune. Fully buffed, presuming an average of one attack on the enemy every two secs (instead of the possible 1), I have effective mag regen of around 2600

GhostofDatthaw

1601-1900

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't have a medium build work without proper sustain, especially in no-CP. With continuous assault and potion passive Its easy to break over 2k stam regen.

Ohh yeah I guess that's a good point. @Langeston are you asking base or buffed, because I voted base not buffed

juhislihis19

1901-2200

Let's not forget sets like Trappings of Invigoration or Essence Thief.

When base recovery is always every 2 seconds, ie. Trappings give you 252 stam per second, so 504 "recovery". Essence Thief gives you 390 stamina per second, so 780 "recovery".

I would say if I just pack stamina recovery, it is buffed 1900-2200. Little more with potion with Major Endurance on it. Exception: my StamCer actually has 2400-2500 because of Bone Pirate + great passive.

If I use Essence Thief, my base recovery is usually max 1500.

juhislihis19

1901-2200

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Is that poll for buffed stats or base?

I understood it's buffed with the usual buffs, maybe Continuos Attack as well.

Iskiab

2201-2500

Depends on the class and spec. Answered as a BG magblade.

L_Nici

1901-2200

My sustain is in the range of 1901 to 2200 most of the time, but can get buffed by certain skills, sets or passives even above 4k for short timeperiods (Trollking and such stuff).

Crixus8000

501-1000

As others have mentioned, this depends on class and build. And there is a lot of other stuff that can aid sustain other than recovery

hakan

2800 stamblade lol. Maybe even more.

Bone pirate+Eternal Hunt.

Shanehere

1301-1600

I think 1400-1500 is the perfect amount of sustain to run for a person who is experienced with the game and their specific class, and I think 1700-1800 is a great cushion for newer or inexperienced pvp players who are still getting the hang of the combat.

I think if you answered in the 2000+ range then you are playing way too safe, or you're over buffing yourself or overcasting your skills on your enemies, excessively dodgerolling (looking at you, nightblades), or you just have one of those ticks where you like to cast stuff when you're bored.

Amoureros

2501+

3650 on my magwarden. Other class, usually 2000

Gilvoth

1601-1900

it aint enough is all i know
needs more sustain.

Rahar

1901-2200

Typically around 2k unless I'm on a sorc.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

501-1000

I have no idea if this is relevant any longer as I have not played in a few months but I always thought that sustain on my Magplar main was a bit overrated if you used just the regen stat pool for it. I always did better with a massive magicka pool of 50K or so and equipped spells that gave me back resources.

I’m weird but it definitely can work. I wasn’t able to pull this off on toons outside of Magplar though. Magsorc probably could but I’m not sure.

darkblue5

0-500 (LOL, WTF?)

Don't need sustain on a loading screen

p00tx

1001-1300

I don't feel like I really need a lot of sustain if I build bursty enough, so I prefer to go high mag+high spell dmg on my Magplar rather than heavily defensive with a ton of regen. If you kill them quickly enough, you don't need to outlast them in a drawn out fight.

Bloodspawn 1 heavy/1 med (all the defense you need if you're comfortable with your class and not picking on zergs)
Crafty Alfiq 5 light
Overwhelming Surge jewels (all spell dmg with one bloodthirsty) and weapon (returns mag when actively procced on back bar)
Masters Destro (cost reduction for main spammable)
Disastrously Bloody Mara
tri-stat and unstoppable potions

This brings me to around 47k max mag on my front bar, 15.5k stam, and 24.5k health with my mag and stam regen pretty close to being the same with a tri-stat pot active. If I'm feeling too squishy that day, I swap out Overwhelming for Armor Master.

If I can't do something with this without having sustain issues, the problem is with how I'm playing. It means I'm either over-spamming a skill, or I'm in a fight with someone way better than me and I'm just prolonging the inevitable butt-kicking and need to either give up and die, or find some way to reset and find another target. Everyone plays differently though, so this is just what works for me.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

501-1000

p00tx wrote: »

I don't feel like I really need a lot of sustain if I build bursty enough, so I prefer to go high mag+high spell dmg on my Magplar rather than heavily defensive with a ton of regen. If you kill them quickly enough, you don't need to outlast them in a drawn out fight.

Bloodspawn 1 heavy/1 med (all the defense you need if you're comfortable with your class and not picking on zergs)
Crafty Alfiq 5 light
Overwhelming Surge jewels (all spell dmg with one bloodthirsty) and weapon (returns mag when actively procced on back bar)
Masters Destro (cost reduction for main spammable)
Disastrously Bloody Mara
tri-stat and unstoppable potions

This brings me to around 47k max mag on my front bar, 15.5k stam, and 24.5k health with my mag and stam regen pretty close to being the same with a tri-stat pot active. If I'm feeling too squishy that day, I swap out Overwhelming for Armor Master.

If I can't do something with this without having sustain issues, the problem is with how I'm playing. It means I'm either over-spamming a skill, or I'm in a fight with someone way better than me and I'm just prolonging the inevitable butt-kicking and need to either give up and die, or find some way to reset and find another target. Everyone plays differently though, so this is just what works for me.

This is a very good example of how I’ve always played. Now just take everything you do and make it 10 to 20% more extreme. You have plenty of time to recoup resources when your opponent is dead.