armor master vs fortified brass or both or neither?

LizziAS

Online:Fortified Brass

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Physical Resistance


Online:Armor Master

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 62-5332 for 10 seconds.


Brass seems most consistent. Not sure that spamming an armor ability a couple hundred extra resistance and 5% max health is worth the cost really

Vapirko

For what content? And also Fortified Brass is receiving a heavy nerf next patch, about 2k less resistance on the 5th piece or more. I forget the exact number. Not really sure why tbh, didn’t seem like it was over performing. But definitely something to keep in mind.

LizziAS

Vapirko wrote: »

For what content? And also Fortified Brass is receiving a heavy nerf next patch, about 2k less resistance on the 5th piece or more. I forget the exact number. Not really sure why tbh, didn’t seem like it was over performing. But definitely something to keep in mind.

ouch. seemed like a great set for leveling. guess not so much now.

bmnoble

Depends what you need it for, those two crafted sets are a good choice if you want higher resistances on a light or medium armor build.

This is a good overland set worth considering as well:

Mark of the Pariah

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance
by/up to 11094 based on your missing Health

teladoy

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/383840/math-pvp-defensive-set-comparison-impreg-brass-pariah-riposte-more/p1

Take a look at that link.

I hope you are not thinking in use some of this sets for pvp...

Armor in PVP is useless, even if you are a tank you have to build HP and equip some sets that gives you some functionality like buff your Allies or debuff the enemy, then maybe try to buff your armor.

I did that mistake for a long time. Then I realize I don't need armor, because was the same as if I would not have... funny right? but maybe a Set that gives me sustain and the rest to wipe people out of this world in matter of one second. That is the meta. Otherwise you will do *** and you would not even have a chance to do a step in a fight without do something at least. The people in bgs for example are running desperately like crazy killing and killing whoever is in their path without breath or think.

starkerealm

PvP? Pariah. PvE? Fortified Brass.

Armor Master is a trap. It looks appealing, but since the change to shuffle, not worth using.

Reverb

starkerealm wrote: »

PvP? Pariah. PvE? Fortified Brass.

Armor Master is a trap. It looks appealing, but since the change to shuffle, Immovable, and Annulment not worth using.

Fixed it for you

starkerealm

Reverb wrote: »

Fixed it for you

No you didn't.

I meant what I wrote.

LizziAS

ok so what changes are made that make armor master not as atttractive? shuffle immovable and annulment dont proc this set even though the set description would seem to indicate that they do?

Commancho

Brass is getting 2k ressistance nerf in the next patch.

LizziAS

bmnoble wrote: »

Depends what you need it for, those two crafted sets are a good choice if you want higher resistances on a light or medium armor build.

This is a good overland set worth considering as well:

Mark of the Pariah

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance
by/up to 11094 based on your missing Health

up to 11094 based on missing health. does it's base bonus start at 0 for fuill health or does it start higher than that for full health?

starkerealm

LizziAS wrote: »

ok so what changes are made that make armor master not as atttractive? shuffle immovable and annulment dont proc this set even though the set description would seem to indicate that they do?

The big change was back when the active armor skills were altered to require wearing that armor weight. Before that, it was pretty popular to stick shuffle on heavy armor builds. Annulment did work, but that was already far weaker by the time that change hit. Turn back the clock to launch, and you wanted Annulment for nearly anything.

The problem with Armor Master is, you need to slot an ability to benefit from the 5pc bonus. This locks you in to using a specific ability, for heavy armor, that's Immovable. It's useful, but expensive and somewhat niche. So, now you have a set that only has a 5pc bonus if you give up a skill slot.

For a light armor PvP build, you might consider running Armor Master+Harness Magicka, but, I'd still be hard pressed to recommend it.

Now, if Armor Master is currently bugged (I deconned mine years ago, so I can't check), and it's counting any active ability, that might be useful, until the bug is fixed. I don't usually recommend using builds that are transparently bugged, but it's your materials.

I'll check on PTS, see what happens.

starkerealm

Some quick PTS testing: It works as intended.

Tested with 5pc Armor Master Heavy
Slotting any Armor Skill (Annulment, Evasion, or Unstoppable) applied the bonus health. Other skills tested did not. (There is a little lag on removing a skill before the health falls off. If you go straight to the character screen, you can see this.
Resists kick in on activating an ability.
Removing an ability currently applying bonuses does not cause those bonuses to fall of instantly (but it shouldn't, and you can't do this in combat anyway.)

Basically? It behaves as it should.

WillhelmBlack

Neither. Ancient Dragonguard.

LizziAS

starkerealm wrote: »

Some quick PTS testing: It works as intended.

Tested with 5pc Armor Master Heavy
Slotting any Armor Skill (Annulment, Evasion, or Unstoppable) applied the bonus health. Other skills tested did not. (There is a little lag on removing a skill before the health falls off. If you go straight to the character screen, you can see this.
Resists kick in on activating an ability.
Removing an ability currently applying bonuses does not cause those bonuses to fall of instantly (but it shouldn't, and you can't do this in combat anyway.)

Basically? It behaves as it should.

Thank you!

bmnoble

LizziAS wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Depends what you need it for, those two crafted sets are a good choice if you want higher resistances on a light or medium armor build.

This is a good overland set worth considering as well:

Mark of the Pariah

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance
by/up to 11094 based on your missing Health

up to 11094 based on missing health. does it's base bonus start at 0 for fuill health or does it start higher than that for full health?

At base it gives 2700 Spell and Physical Resist at 100 percent health along with it's other bonuses.

On top of that it increases as you lose health it gets better than Fortified Brass once your below 66 percent health. The set has Healthy, Arcane and Robust Rings which allows you to maintain high stam or magicka pool when pairing with light/medium armor sets.

In PVP it can negate a players entire pen value and still leave you close to hard cap, is a reasonable counter to execute ability's can be fun paired with the undeath passive from the Vampire skill tree especially if the opponent is not specked to counter a Vampire.


Really depends on if you want the max bonuses of Brass up all the time or if your capable of making a comeback from low health in a fight by the time the resistances that Pariah provides you with.

Fortified Brass is more of a PVE starting tank set, a place holder till your farm other sets, while in PVP a player that has specked for penetration will cut through your resistances, especially once the nerf to the set goes live.

Pariah tends to be overkill in PVE though, your tank should rarely be losing enough health to make use of the 5th bonus, if you have an average healer in the group its a wasted bonus. Better to use a different set that benefits the group.

starkerealm

bmnoble wrote: »

Pariah tends to be overkill in PVE though, your tank should rarely be losing enough health to make use of the 5th bonus, if you have an average healer in the group its a wasted bonus. Better to use a different set that benefits the group.

Yeah, can confirm. You might have some luck pairing Pariah with a utility set like Lich or Mending on a Tank, but most of the time, the resistances will go so high it's not worth it in PvE.

CynicK

Armor master looks like only good for magicka users that use light armor and annulement the other two armor skills are not very good to me, you cannot stay rooted to the ground in most fights and evasion i red that before you dodged attacks instead.
Well fortified brass used to be a very good set but there has been so much complaining about "the heavy armor meta" that it gets a nerf; Well for the prices it goes compared to found stuff that costs nothing I do not see even as entry level gear maybe for leveling when it just costs 150 coins a piece to manufacture an improve to blue, and i tell you that it does not sell since they anounced the nerf, pariah is much cheaper at cp 160 and you can use just chest armor, weapons that are cheap and some jewelry if you use another weight and you want to have high resists for pvp and you will realy benefit from the 10k resists.

Iskiab

Someone else said it and they’re absolutely right. Fortified brass nerf makes it useless.

It used to have a good 5 piece and bad 3-4 pieces effect. Now it’ll have a bad 5 piece bonus too.

There are lots of more efficient ways to get resistances then set pieces like this so I’d use them. For example bloodspawn will give more resistances after the patch then the entire fortified brass set.

LizziAS

Yah FB used to be great for leveling up a new toon but if they are nerfing it then whats the point. It was nice because it only required 4 traits and was easy for a new player to get the traits without too much trouble.

idk

starkerealm wrote: »

PvP? Pariah. PvE? Fortified Brass.

Armor Master is a trap. It looks appealing, but since the change to shuffle, not worth using.

I would not touch either for PvE. The tanks clearing the most challenging content are not trying to get their builds to the resistance cap. As such why bother with the rest of the PvE content in the game.

For leveling, as OP is looking for go with sets that give you damage/sustain as you level up. It really is not that important. It is best to level up being able to do damage than to level up as a tank. If you are wanting to tank dungeons to level up then go with sets that give you max health.

Jeremy

LizziAS wrote: »

Online:Fortified Brass

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Physical Resistance


Online:Armor Master

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 62-5332 for 10 seconds.


Brass seems most consistent. Not sure that spamming an armor ability a couple hundred extra resistance and 5% max health is worth the cost really

Pretty easy question to answer.

Armor master if you use an armor ability in your rotations. Fortified Brass if you don't.

LizziAS

Jeremy wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Online:Fortified Brass

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Physical Resistance


Online:Armor Master

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 62-5332 for 10 seconds.


Brass seems most consistent. Not sure that spamming an armor ability a couple hundred extra resistance and 5% max health is worth the cost really

Pretty easy question to answer.

Armor master if you use an armor ability in your rotations. Fortified Brass if you don't.

Not so much. As it turns out there are some caveats that aren't immediately apparent. Like pending nerfs for one.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

MT=Yolna+Alkosh
OT=Ebon+Hircine/Worm

idk

LizziAS wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Online:Fortified Brass

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Physical Resistance


Online:Armor Master

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 62-5332 for 10 seconds.


Brass seems most consistent. Not sure that spamming an armor ability a couple hundred extra resistance and 5% max health is worth the cost really

Pretty easy question to answer.

Armor master if you use an armor ability in your rotations. Fortified Brass if you don't.

Not so much. As it turns out there are some caveats that aren't immediately apparent. Like pending nerfs for one.

Armor Master requirs two whole skill slots if you plan to use both bars. When I level up a character I prefer to level up skills I will be using at end game.

Jeremy

LizziAS wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Online:Fortified Brass

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Spell Resistance
5 items: Adds 60-5170 Physical Resistance


Online:Armor Master

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 14-1206 Maximum Health
3 items: Adds 34-2975 Physical Resistance
4 items: Adds 34-2975 Spell Resistance
5 items: While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 62-5332 for 10 seconds.


Brass seems most consistent. Not sure that spamming an armor ability a couple hundred extra resistance and 5% max health is worth the cost really

Pretty easy question to answer.

Armor master if you use an armor ability in your rotations. Fortified Brass if you don't.

Not so much. As it turns out there are some caveats that aren't immediately apparent. Like pending nerfs for one.

Even if you consider the nerfs, the answer is the same.

Fortified Brass will still be better unless you use an armor ability in your rotations - in which case Armor Master is better.

gatekeeper13

Both are ok starter tank sets if you are doing a difficult dungeon with a pug and you dont know what healer you re gonna get or you are new to tanking and want to skip death in the first mistake. Armor Master is way better if you have an armor ability. Fortified Brass if you dont.

Leeching Plate is better than both since it gives you insane health sustain. Just use it with Ebon and Lord Warden monster set which support both you and your group and you can tank pretty much anything with a decent group.

Jeremy

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Both are ok starter tank sets if you are doing a difficult dungeon with a pug and you dont know what healer you re gonna get or you are new to tanking and want to skip death in the first mistake. Armor Master is way better if you have an armor ability. Fortified Brass if you dont.

Leeching Plate is better than both since it gives you insane health sustain. Just use it with Ebon and Lord Warden monster set which support both you and your group and you can tank pretty much anything with a decent group.

I prefer leeching plate as well. That's a nice one.

Stebarnz

In pvp these sets are usable mainly brass I have used, it depends on play style though but in pve nope! Too selfish no group buffs or enemy debuffs and there are better ways to cap resists especially next patch.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

PvP? Pariah. PvE? Fortified Brass.

Armor Master is a trap. It looks appealing, but since the change to shuffle, not worth using.

I would not touch either for PvE. The tanks clearing the most challenging content are not trying to get their builds to the resistance cap. As such why bother with the rest of the PvE content in the game.

For leveling, as OP is looking for go with sets that give you damage/sustain as you level up. It really is not that important. It is best to level up being able to do damage than to level up as a tank. If you are wanting to tank dungeons to level up then go with sets that give you max health.

While this is all accurate, if you're here asking, "what should I run on a tank?" I'm not going to suggest you immediately jump into an Ebon/Alkosh style setup. There's a huge difference between beginner and expert tank setups.

Actually, a pretty common mistake for new players is to go pull endgame builds which will perform very nicely when you know what you're doing, but just don't work if you're starting out and can't really operationalize the build.

I've seen enough people stagger through over the years claiming that "the endgame builds are a scam" because they couldn't make them work. Even seen a few, amusing, conspiracy theories from people who honestly believed that PvP builds were a trap set there to help the actual PvPers get more kills.

A new PvE tank, who's wanting to learn? Fortified Brass. An experienced tank probably isn't going to ask about Armor Master.

starkerealm

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Neither. Ancient Dragonguard.

Not for a tank. Ancient Dragonguard will be very nice for leveling setups. Not so good for a tank, because the top half does nothing for them, and the bottom half is just Fortified Brass.