Why every Collectors pack recently contains the same?

WeerW3ir

Basicly they only have some scroll. a reskinned horse, and an 'x' times reskinned wolf?

Dragonhold

Dragonscale

CaffeinatedMayhem

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

WeerW3ir

thatlaurachick wrote: »

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

No. Im asking for diversibility. Like when they introduced camels with thieves guild, or wolfs with brotherhood, or bears with wrothgar.

Im not saying they should introduce some new thing, but the same wolf and the same x times reskinned horse kinda boring. Need to add different. Like why not add a senche or a guar or a wolf styled to it rather than horse.

albesca

Elsweyr had the senche-raht mount and a jerboa pet

Raideen

thatlaurachick wrote: »

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

My current Battle for Azeroth WOW folder is 67 gig. That game has more unique mounts alone then the entirety of unique mobs in eso + mounts + pets.

Disc space is not the issue, ZO$ willing to invest more into the game is.

max_only

Raideen wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

My current Battle for Azeroth WOW folder is 67 gig. That game has more unique mounts alone then the entirety of unique mobs in eso + mounts + pets.

Disc space is not the issue, ZO$ willing to invest more into the game is.

You really think that WoW and ESO have the same number of vertices/level of detail in their models???

Raideen

max_only wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

My current Battle for Azeroth WOW folder is 67 gig. That game has more unique mounts alone then the entirety of unique mobs in eso + mounts + pets.

Disc space is not the issue, ZO$ willing to invest more into the game is.

You really think that WoW and ESO have the same number of vertices/level of detail in their models???

No, I know they do not. But when you consider they also do not have zoning unless its going to another continent, and when you consider they have more particle effects for their spells, and when you consider their groups are larger, and you consider their cities are larger, playfields are larger, and you consider they have more NPC pets in game, and you consider they have more wildlife in game, and you consider they have better FPS on top of all of this, less bugs etc...it just makes you wonder what exactly ZO$ is doing with their code.

max_only

That’s not how it works though. You are comparing grilled cheese to cake. The number of ingredients and complexity aren’t equal. Could Zos have made better cake? Yes they could have, starting from scratch they didn’t make a solid cake base. But it’s still cake. Sometimes it’s okay not to have intimate knowledge of how things compare. I’m not disagreeing on the basic premise of the thread, they absolutely could do with more variety. However space is a concern and it absolutely cannot be compared to WoW when technical details are involved.

drkfrontiers

albesca wrote: »

Elsweyr had the senche-raht mount and a jerboa pet

I'd sell my soul to have a giant Jerboa mount. XD

Raideen

max_only wrote: »

That’s not how it works though. You are comparing grilled cheese to cake. The number of ingredients and complexity aren’t equal. Could Zos have made better cake? Yes they could have, starting from scratch they didn’t make a solid cake base. But it’s still cake. Sometimes it’s okay not to have intimate knowledge of how things compare. I’m not disagreeing on the basic premise of the thread, they absolutely could do with more variety. However space is a concern and it absolutely cannot be compared to WoW when technical details are involved.

So what you are saying is that ESO is built on an inferior game engine, uses inferior server architecture, and uses inferior network services. I can agree on that.

If that is not the case, then a greater case can be made that the reason they simply reskin is because its cheaper for them to use an intern to open up a 3D file and swap out art than it is for them to create a new model, skin, and rigging. That is the reason we do not have more mounts. The entirety of this game Is built around them stretching assets as far as they can go.

Character creation is a good example of this. There is one human race in game, and the rest are reskins. Body shapes are the same. Compared to wow where race models are all completely different.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I would like a very large pig mount for my Orc

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Oh man that Dragonhold horse is beautiful...

I think I'll have to get him.

kargen27

I like the horses and would like to see different armor and heraldry on horses instead of other unique mounts. That said I am not their target customer with new mounts as I am not willing to spend extra to get them.

WeerW3ir

drkfrontiers wrote: »

albesca wrote: »

Elsweyr had the senche-raht mount and a jerboa pet

I'd sell my soul to have a giant Jerboa mount. XD

LOL

Ei8htba11

If I remember correctly, WoW is also guilty of reskinning assets and calling them different names, just sayin'

Uryel

Ei8htba11 wrote: »

If I remember correctly, WoW is also guilty of reskinning assets and calling them different names, just sayin'

"WoW did it first" is a sad excuse for everything wrong in MMORPGs since WoW came out, though. "If WoW could get away with it and make a profit from it, we'll do it too" is basically the way most games have been developped in the past decade.

FierceSam

I would imagine it’s because the same *** still sells.

There’s a relatively small number of people who want to have every possible horse and pet and the cost of the collector’s set is less than the cost of the two separately.

Reskinning mounts is cheap and the imagination/will to do anything more ambitious is expensive and absent.

It’s lazy arsed marketing... I mean who the hell thinks XP scrolls are an incentive any more? Maybe if you put in outfit slots you might get a look in... but XP scrolls? You might as well put in a pile of those “type DESTROY to get rid of” potions you keep dumping on us like chemical waste.

The last genuinely interesting Collector’s bundle was for Dragon Bones.

Ei8htba11

Uryel wrote: »

Ei8htba11 wrote: »

If I remember correctly, WoW is also guilty of reskinning assets and calling them different names, just sayin'

"WoW did it first" is a sad excuse for everything wrong in MMORPGs since WoW came out, though. "If WoW could get away with it and make a profit from it, we'll do it too" is basically the way most games have been developped in the past decade.

It was a casual response somewhat in the direction of Raideen's post where he's basically saying ESO is lazier than WoW as WoW actually bothered with different race models. My response to that was my post. Perhaps I should have quoted, but as I said, it was a very casual response.

That said, there's a lot of lazy development IMO in ESO. I like the game, but certain areas lack that last bit of polish to make it really shine. Reskinning models/assets and touting them as new is the most obvious (Green Dragon Imp ffs?!), and goes beyond the pale when we are expected to pay for it. I could list other examples but we've probably all seen at least a few.

LMar

It was dogs for a while, now it's wolves. It's a theme, see. Could be guars for a spell etc.

Prof_Bawbag

FierceSam wrote: »

I would imagine it’s because the same *** still sells.

There’s a relatively small number of people who want to have every possible horse and pet and the cost of the collector’s set is less than the cost of the two separately.

Reskinning mounts is cheap and the imagination/will to do anything more ambitious is expensive and absent.

It’s lazy arsed marketing... I mean who the hell thinks XP scrolls are an incentive any more? Maybe if you put in outfit slots you might get a look in... but XP scrolls? You might as well put in a pile of those “type DESTROY to get rid of” potions you keep dumping on us like chemical waste.

The last genuinely interesting Collector’s bundle was for Dragon Bones.

What? You don't want yet another xp scroll to go with the 200 you already have stashed in your bank? Here, have some poisons.

Girl_Number8

drkfrontiers wrote: »

albesca wrote: »

Elsweyr had the senche-raht mount and a jerboa pet

I'd sell my soul to have a giant Jerboa mount. XD

I would sell my soul if I had one but....Yessssss Zos, please give me one of these cutest of the cute, hopping, cuddly death machines for Cyro. To strike terror into the hearts of all. Chaaaarge !!!! owo

Billdor

max_only wrote: »

That’s not how it works though. You are comparing grilled cheese to cake. The number of ingredients and complexity aren’t equal. Could Zos have made better cake? Yes they could have, starting from scratch they didn’t make a solid cake base. But it’s still cake. Sometimes it’s okay not to have intimate knowledge of how things compare. I’m not disagreeing on the basic premise of the thread, they absolutely could do with more variety. However space is a concern and it absolutely cannot be compared to WoW when technical details are involved.

Please don't try to speak technology.

max_only

Billdor wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

That’s not how it works though. You are comparing grilled cheese to cake. The number of ingredients and complexity aren’t equal. Could Zos have made better cake? Yes they could have, starting from scratch they didn’t make a solid cake base. But it’s still cake. Sometimes it’s okay not to have intimate knowledge of how things compare. I’m not disagreeing on the basic premise of the thread, they absolutely could do with more variety. However space is a concern and it absolutely cannot be compared to WoW when technical details are involved.

Please don't try to speak technology.

Okay bro. Thanks.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Raideen wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

You're asking when almost every mount, pet, costume, and hairstyle in the game is reskinned? I'm not bashing ZOS, there is a limit to how much disk space the game should use.

My current Battle for Azeroth WOW folder is 67 gig. That game has more unique mounts alone then the entirety of unique mobs in eso + mounts + pets.

Disc space is not the issue, ZO$ willing to invest more into the game is.

This is Tamriel not Azeroth.
We have as mounts Horses, Guars, Indriks, Senche, Wolves, Camels, Bears, Kagouti and Spiders (Nix-ox & mechanical).

And you cannot compare this majestic beast



with this this low res crap who have no place in ESO.



So, shoo shoo.