What abilities are not scaled with player stat?

Lyserus

Regular active abilities scale with player stat for sure, I'm not talking about them

I am talking about sets, poison, enchants, do their damage/heal scale with player stats, or are they set in stone? For example are fire proc damage or fire enchant damage affected your cp perks, max magicka and spell damage etc?

Another way of asking this: Will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage?

Are there other stuff that doesn't scale with player stat?

starkerealm

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

Lyserus

starkerealm wrote: »

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

so say will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage against vampires?

idk

Lyserus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

so say will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage against vampires?

This question is not relative to your OP directly since you are not talking about vampires in the OP.

However, overall a fire damage enchant would not be ideal for a stamina build as the CP for Stam is not favorable for it. That would also answer the vampire question since vampires only take a % increase in damage and the fire enchant is a small amount of damage compared to the overall damage you should be doing.

Proc damage/heals is probably the bulk, if not total, that is not based on stats but affected by some CP. While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration). Other aspects of CP do not affect all procs since last time I checked proc sets were not affected by crit chance and that would also mean they are not affected by anything that increased the damage/heal of a crit.

starkerealm

Lyserus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

so say will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage against vampires?

No.

As @IDK already said, Flame damage scales with Elemental Expert, this only modifies Magic, Flame, Ice, and Lightning Damage. Mighty scales Physical, Disease, and Poison damage.

Additionally, when you factor in that Flame damage has to pass through four stars, on top of your native spell resist, and that vulnerability isn't particularly meaningful outside of some very specific circumstances. (Don't hug a MagDK, or go swimming in lava.)

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration).

I'm not 100% sure this is accurate, based on numbers I've seen coming off of off-spec monster set procs. Iceheart in particular.

Similarly, I have no idea what the Clanfear scales off of right now, for pen, but that's a special bundle of, "what the snot?"

Lyserus

idk wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

so say will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage against vampires?

This question is not relative to your OP directly since you are not talking about vampires in the OP.

However, overall a fire damage enchant would not be ideal for a stamina build as the CP for Stam is not favorable for it. That would also answer the vampire question since vampires only take a % increase in damage and the fire enchant is a small amount of damage compared to the overall damage you should be doing.

Proc damage/heals is probably the bulk, if not total, that is not based on stats but affected by some CP. While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration). Other aspects of CP do not affect all procs since last time I checked proc sets were not affected by crit chance and that would also mean they are not affected by anything that increased the damage/heal of a crit.

So penetration still affects everything? poison, enchant and proc set?

kylewwefan

starkerealm wrote: »

idk wrote: »

While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration).

I'm not 100% sure this is accurate, based on numbers I've seen coming off of off-spec monster set procs. Iceheart in particular.

Similarly, I have no idea what the Clanfear scales off of right now, for pen, but that's a special bundle of, "what the snot?"

Iceheart Damage shield does scale with bastion CP. so does barrier. That was slightly game changing for me.

starkerealm

kylewwefan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

idk wrote: »

While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration).

I'm not 100% sure this is accurate, based on numbers I've seen coming off of off-spec monster set procs. Iceheart in particular.

Similarly, I have no idea what the Clanfear scales off of right now, for pen, but that's a special bundle of, "what the snot?"

Iceheart Damage shield does scale with bastion CP. so does barrier. That was slightly game changing for me.

I'm talking about which pen stat affects the damage proc off of Iceheart's shield. Yeah, Bastion scales ANY shield bubble. I used to do some stupid stuff with that and Hatchling's Shell. The only gripe I've got with it is that it was bugged last year for three to six months.

A slightly more clear example is Valkyn Skoria. I've seen some weird numbers off that set on stam builds. Though, in that case, I wasn't doing the testing.

idk

Lyserus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

They do not scale with your stats, but they do scale with Champion Points.

And, yeah, that's some set bonuses, poisons, and enchants.

"Standard" set bonuses, (like +max Mag) are not affected by scaling. Not sure about stuff like resists, though I assume those scale with CP that scale resists.

so say will flame damage enchant on my stamina character be a decent source of damage against vampires?

This question is not relative to your OP directly since you are not talking about vampires in the OP.

However, overall a fire damage enchant would not be ideal for a stamina build as the CP for Stam is not favorable for it. That would also answer the vampire question since vampires only take a % increase in damage and the fire enchant is a small amount of damage compared to the overall damage you should be doing.

Proc damage/heals is probably the bulk, if not total, that is not based on stats but affected by some CP. While I have not sat their and tested everything but penetration is one obvious area that could increase damage of a proc of that type of damage (fire affected by spell penetration). Other aspects of CP do not affect all procs since last time I checked proc sets were not affected by crit chance and that would also mean they are not affected by anything that increased the damage/heal of a crit.

So penetration still affects everything? poison, enchant and proc set?

That is now in question. What does seem obvious is how poorly Zos has devised the CP system being some procs are effected by CP and some are not. Of course I am speaking of aspects Zos has not specifically turned off such as procs sets are not supposed to crit anymore.

maddiniiLuna

Proc sets can not crit - Shadow Mundus, 10% Krit damage buffs (Fighters Guild, Psyjik Guild) will not affect Proc sets.

Different weapons (2 Hand, dual wield) do not affect proc set damage.

Weapon passives ( Flame Staff, Lightning staff) - WILL affect proc set damage.

Debuffs on the enemy - WILL affect proc set damage.

Flat damage Buffs (Minor / Major Berserk) - WILL affect proc set damage.

Minor / Major slayer (5% to dungeon bosses etc) - does not affect proc sets (I think due to a bug, but there is no information about this. It technically should increase proc set damage - does not currently.)

Race Passives (Dunmer - Flame damage) - WILL affect proc set damage

Weapon / Spell Damage - does not affect proc set damage (Important!)

Major / Minor Vulnerability debuff - WILL affect proc set damage

Champion Perks (Like damage %, etc) - WILL affect proc set damage

starkerealm

Oh, stray thing, if you're in PvE, NPC Vampires do not take more damage from fire. That only occurs with players.