Monster Shoulders at the Golden

Zer0_CooL

An other weekend has passed and with it an other offer of the Golden that was utterly trash. Since the Monsterset shoulder pieces are verry easy to get now, could you ZOS please remove them from the AP vendor and only sell helmets?

Thanks in advance.

Dusk_Coven

I wouldn't say needing 40+ keys (from possibly 100+ keys for some people, before the Undaunted store changes) is "very easy to get".
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/494271/undaunted-store-issues
Bad luck can still strike.
The Golden is basically dealing with a different type of RNG. Some people prefer to spend their time waiting rather than grinding for keys. So yes, sometimes it will be "utterly trash" -- which is a very flexible perspective based on what each person is hoping for.

Zer0_CooL

40 Keys? You get them in one week easily.

Dusk_Coven

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

40 Keys? You get them in one week easily.

That's great for you. Since you can do dungeons so easily and quickly, just go get the helm you need yourself. Each run you basically get 4 chances to get the weight you need. Then with all the transmute stones you get (at least 1 every time you get a key, right?), transmute it into the trait you need.

You don't need the Golden at all.
What is your real question?

Tommy_The_Gun

Monster helmets are pretty much the only thing gold vendor sells, that is worth buying imho. Other stuff is more or less "trash" as there are easier ways to get them.
- Shoulders you can buy from Undaunted vendor (sure you can bypass RNG on armour type you will get which seems to be the o only benefit of gold vendor).
- Jewelry you can upgrade, so gold jewelry sold by gold vendor kinda lost its relevance. And if that it DLC dungeon jewelry, if you dont have that dlc then you wont be able to use it since you will be missing gear to have 5pcs bonus.

Monster Helmets (DLC ones in particular) are the most valuable thing sold by gold vendor.

Personally, I would like to see gold vendor in eso to sell more stuff. I understand that it might be controversial for some people (like for example giving gold vendor weapon sets, this could couse seme people to riot or something ), but beeing resonable gold vendor could sell (in addition to what we have now):
- Random base game dungeon weapon.
- Random base game dungeon armour.
- Random DLC dungeon weapon.
- Random DLC dungeon armour.

ZonasArch

This.

Dusk_Coven

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Monster helmets are pretty much the only thing gold vendor sells, that is worth buying imho. Other stuff is more or less "trash" as there are easier ways to get them.

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Personally, I would like to see gold vendor in eso to sell more stuff. I understand that it might be controversial for some people (like for example giving gold vendor weapon sets, this could couse seme people to riot or something ), but beeing resonable gold vendor could sell (in addition to what we have now):
- Random base game dungeon weapon.
- Random DLC dungeon weapon.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing dungeon weapons. As it is, dungeons are weighted far too heavily on armor pieces.

As for Monster Helmets, I think they are the most valuable thing that's sold because it basically lets people bypass doing the dungeon on Veteran for the helm -- and doing the dungeon is the gatekeeper for determining whether you deserve it or not.

If you make it too easy to get the helms, I can see people waiting to buy it from the Golden and doing Normal Fungal Grotto I for the Undaunted Keys to get the shoulder. Might as well not have any difficult dungeons at all.
Selling the Monster Helms at the Golden is a HUGE concession on ZOS's part.
But yes, it's the most valuable thing sold there at the moment.

Vapirko

No thanks really, I like the combo of head and shoulder pieces. It does seem like shoulders show more often but that could just be because I usually am missing the heads.

Zer0_CooL

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

40 Keys? You get them in one week easily.

That's great for you. Since you can do dungeons so easily and quickly, just go get the helm you need yourself. Each run you basically get 4 chances to get the weight you need. Then with all the transmute stones you get (at least 1 every time you get a key, right?), transmute it into the trait you need.

You don't need the Golden at all.
What is your real question?

It doesn't take much to get the keys, since you get them for any dungeon on any dificulty level. So to sell shoulders for AP is a waste since you'll hve them much faster if you do the key grind.
The helmets on the other hand, especially the DLC ones, are for many PvP players kind of unaccesable since most of them do not own any sort of BiS gear nor do they enjoy playing PvE.
Ofcourse one can argue that it is only fair to lock them behind hard content, and PvE is part of the game. But remember the rant of PvE players during the PvP events? Thats how it is like for PvP players during the whole year.

Dusk_Coven

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

The helmets on the other hand, especially the DLC ones, are for many PvP players kind of unaccesable since most of them do not own any sort of BiS gear nor do they enjoy playing PvE.
Ofcourse one can argue that it is only fair to lock them behind hard content, and PvE is part of the game. But remember the rant of PvE players during the PvP events? Thats how it is like for PvP players during the whole year.

This brings up a different issue -- why are PvP players favouring PvE gear? The overall design should be that PvP players favour PvP gear. Of course using gear from both sides is allowed and "why not?". But then it's equalized -- PvE players have to get PvP currency to get PvP gear sets.

In any case, I think the issue will become more of how easy it should be to get the helms rather than it being a PvP player access issue. Making it easier to get the helmets will have ripple effects besides simply making it easier for a PvP-focussed player to get them.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure BiS gear isn't required for Veteran Dungeon content. You're not even having to do Hard Mode to get the helm, just Veteran. And with 4 chances to get the weight you need, you'd have to have really bad luck to need even 2 runs.

parpin

you know what basically RNG is garbage, i would much prefer they increase the price of items but let you go buy the one you need directly rather than RNG, golden vendor is basically rng every week, wait for the week with items you need, god helps you if you can not log into the game that particular week, just put everything on from helm to shoulders to other stuff for sale on permanent vendor but increase the price even like double it , so i know i need certain amount of currency for item i need, when i have the currency i can purchase it whenever i want no rnd bs. same goes for keys, you need 10 or maybe even 15 keys for direct purchase, rng is annoying and garbage.

Zer0_CooL

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

This brings up a different issue -- why are PvP players favouring PvE gear?

Well my guess is that monstersets are the only 2 piece sets...

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

The overall design should be that PvP players favour PvP gear.

Thats an actually interesting aproach, though for now i think it would be much easyer to just remove the shoulders from the golden.

Hymzir

As with so many things, it is in the eye of the beholder... For you, buying shoulders may look pointless, but to others, like me, it's a lot less of a hassle than grinding keys and making sacrifices to RNGesus.

When shoulders for a set I am interested in using, or think might be fun to tinker with, comes up for sale on the Golden, I just buy a set of each weight (Just as I do when the head for such a set is on sale), and store them in my storage chests and go about my merry way of doing what I actually want, instead of mindlessly grinding for keys.

I have mindlessly grinded for keys on a few occasions, like that one time I just had to have light Lord Warden shoulders for a build I was doing, and I did not have those squirreled away ('prolly since I never had thought there would come a time I needed Lord Warden stuff.) So I did a ton of dungeons for keyes and sacrificed them on the Altar of RaNDomENneSs. It took way more keys than was mentally healthy, and the amount of frustrations yelled at the screen were close to get me evicted from my home due to neighbor complaints. I got them in the end in a horrible trait but did not care due to Transmutaion, and decided to never ever never ever repeat sucha exercise ever again. Never!

Buying shoulders for 200k AP a pop is a breeze in comparison. I can do that in an evenings session of Cyro. I can get the 600k needed for a full set in a day if need be, and the other 600k for the helmets if I spend a full weekend in PVP land, and that is doing something I don't find annoying (I used to enjoy it, but eh... The state of PVP being what it is, it's not really something I like to spend full weekends on these days.) instead of repeating dungeons ad nauseam.

Not that I really need to... Seeing as I have something like 12 million AP in reserve, and am sitting on more than 1000 transmutation crystals. And that's for someone who only PVPs few evenings a week. I'm sure those who do it daily are sitting on even larger piles of unspent resources, and can just buy gold rings for deconning with AP from the Golden Vendor willy nilly. So yeah... Golden is definitely the way of least resistance for acquiring monster shoulders for me, and prolly for most of dedicated PVP players too.

redlink1979

Hymzir wrote: »

As with so many things, it is in the eye of the beholder... For you, buying shoulders may look pointless, but to others, like me, it's a lot less of a hassle than grinding keys and making sacrifices to RNGesus.

@Zer0_CooL Think wider: this maybe pointless to some but not to all.

FrancisCrawford

And by the way, Infused isn't a great trait on shoulders. They'd be a little more appealing if they were Divines.

Zer0_CooL

redlink1979 wrote: »

Hymzir wrote: »

As with so many things, it is in the eye of the beholder... For you, buying shoulders may look pointless, but to others, like me, it's a lot less of a hassle than grinding keys and making sacrifices to RNGesus.

@Zer0_CooL Think wider: this maybe pointless to some but not to all.

Ok, i see, just put Balorgh and Zahn for sale next weekend and we don't need any more discusions.

leepalmer95

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

40 Keys? You get them in one week easily.

I'd rather just go do a vet dungeon once for the helm.

mandricus

OP please take these bright ideas for you. I hate doing PvE, I pay this game since 2015, I HATE doing fungal grotto or Volenfell for the 3000th time just to get 2 keys in order to try to get the shoulders I want for PVP. Keep the system as it is, please. Shoulders of the golden vendor are one of the most valuable items for me.

bmnoble

Would rather they sell 2 random sets of helmets and 2 random sets of shoulders each week instead of one or the other.

Would not mind seeing dungeon weapon sets in addition to the gold Jewelry.

gatekeeper13

Totally agree with the OP. Shoulders should be removed from the Golden vendor and replaced by monster helmets.

NordSwordnBoard

Leave the vendor alone, it's already a good intersection of PvE & PvP, serving both crowds pretty well. I get the idea that removing shoulders will thin the randomness pool by half.

It's way more economical for me to spend AP instead of Chromium grains to get gold jewelry. Selling BoE gold jewelry is one of the few ways to convert AP into gold.

The Golden RNG can be annoying, yes, and it's apparently beyond their control enough that we got a prototype helmet called "Giant Spider" at one point. I really think its fine as-is. This is from someone who farmed CoH hundreds of times to get a pair of 1h swords before transmutation existed.

Chicharron

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

40 Keys? You get them in one week easily.

for someone without life maybe, for others it is a little difficult to do that, you know, wife, children, etc.

The real endgame.

Wolfpaw

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

An other weekend has passed and with it an other offer of the Golden that was utterly trash. Since the Monsterset shoulder pieces are verry easy to get now, could you ZOS please remove them from the AP vendor and only sell helmets?

Thanks in advance.

Yes please!

Taleof2Cities

redlink1979 wrote: »

@Zer0_CooL Think wider: this maybe pointless to some but not to all.

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Ok, i see, just put Balorgh and Zahn for sale next weekend and we don't need any more discusions.

The forum-goer said think wider ... not narrower, @Zer0_CooL.

Remember that PvP players don’t like doing PvE to get any sort of gear ... if they can avoid it.

That’s why monster shoulders are an option at the Golden.