Hand to hand skill line?

mfw009

I would really like this because i always played hand to hand in the elder scrolls series.
I know weapons do more damage but, it is a fantasy game and fist fighting is just as viable.
Would love to see magicka and stamina morphs though.

Siohwenoeht

What type of hand to hand? We have daggers in game already.......

Oh, I just saw the fist part, so unarmed combat...

How would you see that skill line work? What sort of abilities?

Ribeye

Yes

Hand-to-hand, full-on summoner, pirate/ninja/viking/gladiator-themed skill lines, etc.

It seems like this game could have HUGE potential for customization, but isn't actively exploring those possibilities.

SeaGtGruff

Yes

Yes, that's something I could enjoy. I like to start out with Hand-to-hand and Unarmored in games that have them, because it's nice not to have to be weighed down by weapons and armor when you're a low-level character with a limited carrying capacity. It's usually better to rely on and develop those skills while your level is still low and the enemies facing you aren't scaled up to difficult levels, although it can also be interesting to fall back from heavy-duty gear to light or no gear later in the game when you've leveled up to nearly godlike abilities.

Zacuel

I dunno.

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Morgha_Kul

Yes

I can see two directions for morphs, the brawling/dirty fighting style, and a more graceful, martial arts style.

The brawling style would be more offensive, with defensive manuevers being the "dirty" aspect of the style (eg. throwing dirt in the target's eyes), and Martial Arts would be more defensive, with some minor controls and debuffs being linked to blocks and the like.

At least, that's how I'd do it.

Yuffie91

A monk class would be cool! Mine would def be khajitt

FierceSam

Given they are currently revising Class Identity to try to ensure that more builds include more class skills, and feel that the whole non-class skills thing is a problem, the thought that they would create a new non-class skill line is fanciful at best.

I see that there could easily be lore/canon justification for such a class or skill line, I don’t see how it could successfully be implemented.

And it’s doomed by the idea that it wouldn’t be as powerful.

You can play unarmed now... although I’m not sure how far it would take you. There are builds that only use class skills where the unused weapon type is purely for passives and LA/HA attacks

Edaphon

No

Only if it's much weaker than all the other skill lines and the self heal/buff is punching yourself in the face.

SosRuvaak

Yes

no?????
why no?

Edaphon wrote: »

Only if it's much weaker than all the other skill lines and the self heal/buff is punching yourself in the face.

every skill line you work up to progress, sounds the same with working out and martial arts with just hands.

Kelces

Yes

However, there would have to be something to equip to get an equal set bonus.

Irfind

No

First i want Sword Rune, more magicka weapons please ?

SeaGtGruff

Yes

Kelces wrote: »

However, there would have to be something to equip to get an equal set bonus.

Like brass knuckles, or claws, or something like that? That would also provide something that could be enchanted and have traits, in addition to any set bonuses.

mfw009

Yes

Irfind wrote: »

First i want Sword Rune, more magicka weapons please ?

Well that was my point.
Stamina based morphs for psyhical moves like punches and kicks etc.

Magicka based moves like bending spiritual energy etc.

I played 9dragons an era ago and you had classes that could throw little spirit bombs etc. Thats what i would like to see.

mfw009

Yes

Edaphon wrote: »

Only if it's much weaker than all the other skill lines and the self heal/buff is punching yourself in the face.

Why weaker? Sure it will be different then dual wield and 2 handed, but this is an fantasy game so why could we throw bouncing daggers around and summoning beasts of another plane, but not make fist fighting viable? We could have knuckles and claws or magic swarming around our fingers.

mfw009

Yes

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

What type of hand to hand? We have daggers in game already.......

Oh, I just saw the fist part, so unarmed combat...

How would you see that skill line work? What sort of abilities?

I will link a fellow eso player ideas:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1

and i need to give him/her alot of credits, because he/she have been thinking it out quite good imo. Not only for unarmed but for many more additional skill lines.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Yes

khajiit is eager to throw dem useless weapons and shred everyone else #catstyle!

Fiktius

Yes

I always wanted to create One-Punch-Lizard with Mazzatum style.

Noxavian

No

mfw009 wrote: »

I would really like this because i always played hand to hand in the elder scrolls series.
I know weapons do more damage but, it is a fantasy game and fist fighting is just as viable.
Would love to see magicka and stamina morphs though.

No.

Not until magicka gets another weapon. If stamina ends up getting yet ANOTHER weapon before magicka, I will be livid.

Daedric_NB_187

Yes

Me personally I just want sword and shield to be a dd skill line. I know it will never happen though. But I could get behind your suggestion. More options is always a good thing.

mfw009

Yes

Noxavian wrote: »

mfw009 wrote: »

I would really like this because i always played hand to hand in the elder scrolls series.
I know weapons do more damage but, it is a fantasy game and fist fighting is just as viable.
Would love to see magicka and stamina morphs though.

No.

Not until magicka gets another weapon. If stamina ends up getting yet ANOTHER weapon before magicka, I will be livid.

Yes the staves are getting way to boring ...

mfw009

Yes

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Me personally I just want sword and shield to be a dd skill line. I know it will never happen though. But I could get behind your suggestion. More options is always a good thing.

Personally im still working on a dps s&s build... but i dont think it is going to work out.

umagon

Yes

After seeing some of the npc’s animations in dragonhold I think they might have something in the works for unarmed. If so, I hope they add it in as a standalone skill line purchase to unlock it and not tied dlc or chapters.

TheShadowScout

mfw009 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

What type of hand to hand? We have daggers in game already.......

Oh, I just saw the fist part, so unarmed combat...

How would you see that skill line work? What sort of abilities?

I will link a fellow eso player ideas:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1

and i need to give him/her alot of credits, because he/she have been thinking it out quite good imo. Not only for unarmed but for many more additional skill lines.

Thank you!

Narvuntien

Yes

It's a slight spoiler...

but Zamarack had some nice hand to hand skills that you would think would be cool

It would be bizarre to "cast" punch though

Kittytravel

Yes

Definitely think it'd be a neat way to change up the dynamic. There are already a lot of class abilities that you could couple with stuff like elemental wrist-band like weapons (magicka) or fist/knuckle weapons (stamina) to make a bit of a playstyle change. I'm sure it wouldn't be a competitive type style but it'd be a way to play and that's kinda the neat thing about ESO even if it makes people made when you don't run the best setup.

Vlad9425

No

If you mean going around punching with your fists then no I don't like that idea in an Online MMO. An unarmed spellcaster would be a solid idea though kinda like it is in Skyrim.

Pauls

No

This game is not an anime where fists are often more powerful than weapons.

StormeReigns

Yes

Pauls wrote: »

This game is not an anime where fists are often more powerful than weapons.

Understandable, despite so many forget that H2H has many weapons already...

But H2H combat isnt just bare fists, but can also include feet/leg as well.

Got multitudes of knuckle dusters made to bludgeon, pierce and slash. Hand spikes and claws made to tear at armor / climbing. Barbed gloves and barbed wristbands/guards... spiked/bladed boots, spiked elbow and knee/shin guards.

A simple joojle (google) search will show hundreds of varieties.

richo262

No

It won't work the way you want it to.

It will just be a tree that has maybe 1 skill that is decent, that would just result in your character putting his weapons away (or disappearing) to cast that one skill.

If it is locked like other 'Weapon trees' to requiring no weapons on the bar unlike 'Guild trees' that are not locked, then this idea somewhat flies in the face of the 'identity push' going on where they are trying to make 'Class trees' more meaningful.

Also, not having the weapon items loses set bonus by 2 slots. You'd have to run 2x 5 sets or 1 monster, 1 3 pc, 1 5 pc. You would actually need an item, like a knuckleduster or something simply to calculate damage. At which point, all you have really made is a reskin of Dual Wield... at which point 'Hand to Hand' should be, if anything, an addition to Dual Wield. Much like how depending on the destruction staff you have, the elements change. If you are wearing 2 Knuckle Dusters, some of the skills change. Ie Rending Slashes becomes Rending Strike etc.

VocalThought

They could make Unarmed Combat a World Skill instead of a Weapon Skill line, therefor you can use Weapons with or without these skills in your loadout. This would be great so, it does not necessarily need to have a Ultimate Skill, as many skills, or as many Passives or as little passives.