Have bots impacted the way you farm?

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  • Elsonso
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    Yes, they have (comment where they have)
    Gracous wrote: »
    When I played UO we would agro a few mobs, drag them to the bot farmer, and then hide and watch as they killed the bot. when the monsters left we looted the farmer. I wish we could do that in this game.

    People have lured mobs (mini-bosses with AoE attacks) into the path of a bot train. A human would just get out of the way, but bots always accept the challenge. Sadly, we cannot loot them, so that is where the similarities end.
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  • Ardaghion
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    Gracous wrote: »
    When I played UO we would agro a few mobs, drag them to the bot farmer, and then hide and watch as they killed the bot. when the monsters left we looted the farmer. I wish we could do that in this game.

    Most of the time i wait for the node to spawn and then beat the bot to the resource. Its fun for a while :)

    I was able to do that at Bleakrock Island. I found a spot with a bot close to a bear, aggro the bear just right and it will knock down the bot. The bear doesn't stay and kill the bot but it does knock it off its node enough to make it stop working. Of course, there are mementos that pull the bots off the node too, they don't seem to work as much now.

    These days the bots are more sophisticated, running a pre-programmed path from node to node, it can be hard to get them off that path. I have seen it done in Bal Foyen though, pretty funny watching a bot walk into a bridge or rock and keep getting further from their path over time. Someone does come and reset it eventually though.
  • markulrich1966
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    I just increased the prices for furniture based on mundane rune.

    It seems that people who reported bots had success on xbox EU. Mundane runes are almost sold out since days, prices up from 40k to 80k a stack. Can't keep the low prices for floors and stairways like this.

    From earlier experience I know that this will reduce the sales, so I doubt that manual farmers will benefit. People do not have more money when bots disappear, so if prices increase, they buy less.

    I know from talks that it gets even worse. Already the current low prices are still expensive for many who for example want to add furniture to large homes like the psijic villa or moonsugar meadow. The more expensive it gets, the more they hesitate to start decoration projects.
    Edited by markulrich1966 on October 10, 2019 11:05PM
  • wolfie1.0.
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    Not at all (comment where you farm)
    Bots dont impact my farming runs. I see them around and report when I do. But my farming methods are such that I dont have specific routes. There are a few such areas that I really like but I will not disclose them because then yall will go there and it will become subpar.

    Mostly though I do my daily writs and I farm surveys and I farm all resources in between survey locations. I find it to be the most efficient way to do it and even if players or bots take a nose or two in my path only I can get the survey.
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Yes, they have (comment where they have)
    I just increased the prices for furniture based on mundane rune.

    It seems that people who reported bots had success on xbox EU. Mundane runes are almost sold out since days, prices up from 40k to 80k a stack. Can't keep the low prices for floors and stairways like this.

    From earlier experience I know that this will reduce the sales, so I doubt that manual farmers will benefit. People do not have more money when bots disappear, so if prices increase, they buy less.

    I know from talks that it gets even worse. Already the current low prices are still expensive for many who for example want to add furniture to large homes like the psijic villa or moonsugar meadow. The more expensive it gets, the more they hesitate to start decoration projects.

    Complete nonsense. Real farmers absolutely benefit from a reduction in bottling. You used to easily be able to make 100k+ per hour farming materials 2 years ago. You're looking at 50k now. Sales weren't any slower or faster back then. If people need mats, they will buy them, regardless of the price. The only difference was that back then the market wasn't oversupplied to the extent it is now.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 11, 2019 1:05AM
  • markulrich1966
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    Complete nonsense. Real farmers absolutely benefit from a reduction in bottling. You used to easily be able to make 100k+ per hour farming materials 2 years ago. You're looking at 50k now. Sales weren't any slower or faster back then. If people need mats, they will buy them, regardless of the price. The only difference was that back then the market wasn't oversupplied to the extent it is now.

    your arguments don't get more convincing by calling something other people write "nonsense". I recommend that you work on your manners.

    Now concerning your argument: you ignore, that the amount of players has doubled within these 2 years. More farmers, more price dumping among them. We have the same issue with pricedumping concerning crafted items.
    The positive side is, that since prices declined, people buy quicker than before.
  • SeaGtGruff
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    Not at all (comment where you farm)
    If people need mats, they will buy them, regardless of the price.

    Maybe some people will, but not me. If I feel like I absolutely need something now and can't farm or grind for it myself, I won't buy it "regardless of the price"; instead, I'll shop around until I find the lowest price. And if I consider the lowest price right now to be wildly inflated beyond reason, there's nothing so urgent about this game that I can't decide to just put off buying whatever it was I was looking for until such time as I can find it for what I consider to be a more reasonable price.
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  • MLGProPlayer
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    Yes, they have (comment where they have)
    SeaGtGruff wrote: »

    Maybe some people will, but not me. If I feel like I absolutely need something now and can't farm or grind for it myself, I won't buy it "regardless of the price"; instead, I'll shop around until I find the lowest price. And if I consider the lowest price right now to be wildly inflated beyond reason, there's nothing so urgent about this game that I can't decide to just put off buying whatever it was I was looking for until such time as I can find it for what I consider to be a more reasonable price.

    There will always be a buyer though. The population is large enough to ensure it.
  • Kuramas9tails
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    Yes, they have (comment where they have)
    Michae wrote: »
    Surveys are a much better source of mats. But I didn't have any problems with bots back when I did farm. I had few routes in Abah's Landing, Stonefalls and Orsinium and met maybe one and the same bot in the latter.
    2 of the 3 places you mentioned are DLCs. Bots don't pay for DLCs. They are mostly in starting island zones with the exception of the leather farmers.
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    • Ryath_Waylander
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      I don't farm
      I'll go on a bit of a farming spree when my mats are low but it is not a source of income for me. Tamriel is a big place and if I find bots (seldom) I'll go somewhere else. I'm not saying bots aren't wrong and I do take the time to report them when I see them. I'm just not a farmer so I farm randomly. Bots then to prefer high density resources aka prime areas.
    • Deathlord92
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      Yes they affect me bots slow farming down to a crawl and I don’t understand why anyone would vote no unless they are using bots themselves.
    • ApostateHobo
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      Also used to farm khenarthi's roost, but there's just so many bots now you can hardly mine a single ore node. It's genuinely ridiculous that there's so many and that nothing is done about it.
    • Zweible
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      Just saw a node harvesting BOT in Rivenspire that I haven't seen in a week. Kinda felt good that he was still around (sarcasm) since I have gotten to know him well over the last year that I have been reporting him. Kinda like an old friend.
    • Tommy_The_Gun
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      Well, personally have never seen them. I saw only some videos on YouTube. Dedicated speedy-Gonzales builds are annoying though... :D

      Anyway, farming whenever some one is doing it "illegal" using bots or not, I guess it technically drops prices of stuff down, right ? So lower prices from a perspective of an "average joe" are umm... good ?
      I find that weird that no one has mentioned that.
      Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on October 11, 2019 11:55PM
    • Dusk_Coven
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      jircris11 wrote: »
      Sadly a company cant do much, every mmo has them from wow to ffxiv. As long as ppl buy from yhem they will contine. If they ban one 2 more stolen accounts appear in its place. Bots are like hydra

      How do you even know when you are buying from a botter? Some people legitimately have a lot of mats. Some people might even have enough gold to buy up a lot of mats and relist for the margin.
      The only way to be sure you are boycotting botting is to gather all mats yourself.

    • yRaven
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      I stop farming after bots, golden mats was just not worth the trouble anymore, even change my Farm Build to a Werewolf Build just for fun
      Edited by yRaven on October 12, 2019 12:15AM
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    • CaffeinatedMayhem
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      Bots made me a better farmer. I still report them, but I can out run them now. If you can't beat them, get better.
    • MLGProPlayer
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      Dusk_Coven wrote: »

      How do you even know when you are buying from a botter? Some people legitimately have a lot of mats. Some people might even have enough gold to buy up a lot of mats and relist for the margin.
      The only way to be sure you are boycotting botting is to gather all mats yourself.

      Bots can usually be identified by having:

      1. Exceptionally high inventory (like thousands of gold tempers) that they are able to replenish quickly and sell to you again
      2. A willingness to sell their wares at deep discounts since many of them are not in trading guilds (harder to track this way) and want to clear Inventory ASAP in case the account gets banned

      A normal farmer might be able to farm 5-7 gold tempers per hour. If they farm everyday for 3 hours, that's ~126 tempers per week.

      Botters will routinely be selling multiple stacks of gold tempers. And they can farm more gold tempers in a week than there are hours because they run multiple accounts 24/7. No legitimate farmer is getting 1000+ dreugh wax a week.
      Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 12, 2019 2:56AM
    • gimpdrb14_ESO
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      I don't farm
      after a few 1000s writs you don't need to farm anymore
    • SeaGtGruff
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      Not at all (comment where you farm)
      I guess the people who are saying "I stopped farming because of bots" were only farming so they could sell what they farmed? Is that correct? I suppose that's why bots have had zero impact on my farming, because I keep what I farm-- or, if I need the inventory space more than the materials I've farmed, I just sell it to some NPC merchant, or destroy it, or give it away to someone in zone chat or guild chat, or maybe deposit it in a guild bank for other guild members to use.
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    • Dusk_Coven
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)

      Bots can usually be identified by having:

      1. Exceptionally high inventory (like thousands of gold tempers) that they are able to replenish quickly and sell to you again
      2. A willingness to sell their wares at deep discounts since many of them are not in trading guilds (harder to track this way) and want to clear Inventory ASAP in case the account gets banned

      If it were so easy, then ZOS could just routinely scan listings or inventory. No need for people to even report bots -- just get their sellers and inventory.
      But they don't, so either it's not foolproof (and you can imagine the uproar and crying if someone innocent got hit and their account couldn't be restored) or ZOS is lazy.
      Edited by Dusk_Coven on October 12, 2019 4:52AM
    • Raideen
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      Absolutely! They slow farming down and seem to cover routes to overlap when the nodes respawn. I have seen areas that were completely devoid of any form of material, even runestones which are generally not as desired as ore or silk.
    • Elsonso
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      SeaGtGruff wrote: »
      I guess the people who are saying "I stopped farming because of bots" were only farming so they could sell what they farmed? Is that correct? I suppose that's why bots have had zero impact on my farming, because I keep what I farm-- or, if I need the inventory space more than the materials I've farmed, I just sell it to some NPC merchant, or destroy it, or give it away to someone in zone chat or guild chat, or maybe deposit it in a guild bank for other guild members to use.

      Farming is uneven. I farm so that I don't have to buy materials, but I only need specific things for writs, crafting, etc. I end up with piles of stuff that I don't need. Those things are candidates for sale, if MM tells me the selling price is worth my time. Otherwise they sit in my Bag of Holding. On my non-ESO Plus account, I eventually get rid of them.

      Yes, bot impact my farming. They tend to make it harder, or longer, to find the stuff I want.
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    • buttaface
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      Not at all (comment where you farm)
      When first reading this thread, I cruised around all the starter zones and favorite farming locations. Couldn't find a single real bot. I have seen some being trained to clear and pick single nodes, but they don't affect my farming.

      IME in these games, players are overzealous to call any competition for anything a "bot" or a "hacker." I -do- see lots of mob-killing bot trains out and about though, but that is different than the topic.

      Still make a very good gold income farming. 1+ mill a week from 6-10 hours of it per week. Key for me is having alternative node routes and mob camps to go to when this or that location is busy. Also key is listening to music while doing it, can go longer when the farming is going well so that you can just do something else when it isn't. Finally, do it a little every day instead of trying to go 3-4 hours at a time.
    • mocap
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      Not at all (comment where you farm)
      didn't saw them for like half of year
    • Canned_Apples
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      There are three sorc pet bots farming nodes around the clock in Stors M'Kai (PC-NA.) They're pretty hard to miss, but they're also really slow- you can sprint to the node and "steal" it from them- then watch them stand there for seconds before the move on.
    • phileunderx2
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      Not at all (comment where you farm)
      Bots don't really have that much of an impact on my farming other than driving the price down on refined mats to the point where I just vendor them. My farming spots I rarely see bots but then I am often out for things that are not easy to bot.
    • Jayman1000
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      Only in as much as there is more competition. But are you honestly serious when you say you are "unable to farm in khenarti" just because of bots? I farm there often, but I am perfectly able to outsmart most of those bots, so it doesnt bother me too much, I don't feel threathened on my farming results. I honestly dont understand how you are unable to farm there.

      What bothers me is that I know they are cheating.
    • SeaGtGruff
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      Not at all (comment where you farm)
      There are three sorc pet bots farming nodes around the clock in Stors M'Kai (PC-NA.) They're pretty hard to miss, but they're also really slow- you can sprint to the node and "steal" it from them- then watch them stand there for seconds before the move on.

      My NA PC/Mac petsorc main farms in Stros M'Kai every so often, and he always runs around at normal speed, so he sort of resembles your remark. But he doesn't have a bottish name, so hopefully no one would ever confuse him for a bot! :)
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    • Elsonso
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      Yes, they have (comment where they have)
      SeaGtGruff wrote: »

      My NA PC/Mac petsorc main farms in Stros M'Kai every so often, and he always runs around at normal speed, so he sort of resembles your remark. But he doesn't have a bottish name, so hopefully no one would ever confuse him for a bot! :)

      As long as you are there while your petsorc farms Stros M'Kai every so often, you are good :smile:

      Stros is a good place to farm and report bots, even though all you get for farming them is a trophy email.. :smile:
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