Again Spain out of contest

DetreS

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

StormeReigns

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

Probably within the country's own regulations / statutes - if by guessing, restricted or taxed.

redspecter23

I would suspect it has to do with Spanish laws on giveaways and sweepstakes. You would want to ask the government of Spain about that. ZOS has limitations on what hoops they are willing to jump through to give away free things. If the laws of a particular country or region are restrictive enough to make it more trouble than it's worth, they will end up excluding the country.

SirAndy

redspecter23 wrote: »

You would want to ask the government of Spain about that.

TelvanniWizard

De nuevo, sufrimos la perfidia de Zenimax...

VaranisArano

Its almost always that the country or state has some legal restriction on sweepstakes.

So go check out Spain's laws regarding sweepstakes.

max_only

No one expects the Spanish Exclusion

Dark_Lord_Kuro

In my provine theres is a tax to pay to the gouvernement for lottory an sweepstake since all of them are onder the full control of the state they probably didnt want to pay it since its the only province in canada that cant participate

Dusk_Coven

SkerKro wrote: »

DetreS wrote: »

… Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec)...

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

Probably within the country's own regulations / statutes - if by guessing, restricted or taxed.

Yeah. For example, whenever you see Canada in a list, often Quebec is excluded too. Quebec tries to have a unique identity and that is enforced by their own laws. Laws which probably interfere with participation and/or make too many hoops for companies to want to jump through.

Korah_Eaglecry

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

You can start with a nice letter to whomever is a representative in your government.

Veinblood1965

It's just that ZoS just doesn't like Spain IMO. I've seen no Spanish horses in game and it almost never rains ingame.

zaria

SkerKro wrote: »

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

Probably within the country's own regulations / statutes - if by guessing, restricted or taxed.

Norway was in the first year but then dropped out for some reasons but no laws was changed.

DetreS

Im pretty sure its not a law problem. Here we have a very serious problem with gambling and lottery xD
Im sure is a ZOS decission, we can participate in all global giveaways without problem.

redspecter23

DetreS wrote: »

Im pretty sure its not a law problem. Here we have a very serious problem with gambling and lottery xD
Im sure is a ZOS decission, we can participate in all global giveaways without problem.

What proof do you have that it's not a legal issue? You think ZOS is excluding Spain for no reason? Maybe they pulled out a map of the world and tossed a few darts at countries that they will exclude. If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure Gina was aiming at Canada. She's just not very good at darts.

idk

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

Easy. There is a law in Spain Zos is not willing to comply with or may be to difficult to comply with. That is the only reason.

DetreS wrote: »

Im pretty sure its not a law problem. Here we have a very serious problem with gambling and lottery xD
Im sure is a ZOS decission, we can participate in all global giveaways without problem.

Wild baseless claims are pretty much void of real information. You are essentially saying Zos hates customers on Spain and that just sounds silly.

DetreS

redspecter23 wrote: »

DetreS wrote: »

Im pretty sure its not a law problem. Here we have a very serious problem with gambling and lottery xD
Im sure is a ZOS decission, we can participate in all global giveaways without problem.

What proof do you have that it's not a legal issue? You think ZOS is excluding Spain for no reason? Maybe they pulled out a map of the world and tossed a few darts at countries that they will exclude. If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure Gina was aiming at Canada. She's just not very good at darts.

The proof is, why only ZoS is banning Spain from their contests?
I have participate on Razer, NCSoft, MSI, Gigabyte or Jackie Chan Contests (yes, I won a Global Contest of JC on 2014) and I doubt they did Special things in consequence of Spanish laws.

redspecter23

https://money.howstuffworks.com/question541.htm

I found this article with a quick search. Although it doesn't specifically mention Spain, I would assume that all of the excluded areas are excluded for the reasons listed there. Like I mentioned earlier, it's too much trouble to adhere to many local laws and companies could open themselves up to huge fines and litigation. That's enough to keep many competitions out of these areas, though it's not impossible. You would just have to be willing to do MUCH more work and have a dedicated legal team which is likely too much of a cost in many cases.

January1171

It's not just Spain though. Quebec is out, even residents from Arkansas, Nebraska, and Mississipi have to be 19/21 years old. Point is: ZOS isn't just arbitrarily excluding people. There are rules they have to follow.

DetreS

redspecter23 wrote: »

https://money.howstuffworks.com/question541.htm

I found this article with a quick search. Although it doesn't specifically mention Spain, I would assume that all of the excluded areas are excluded for the reasons listed there. Like I mentioned earlier, it's too much trouble to adhere to many local laws and companies could open themselves up to huge fines and litigation. That's enough to keep many competitions out of these areas, though it's not impossible. You would just have to be willing to do MUCH more work and have a dedicated legal team which is likely too much of a cost in many cases.

This is for US laws. How many states do you have? 50?
In Europe we have 49 Countrys (not states), but 28 are on UE (Unión Europea) and all of these are under "same" laws.
We have the same/similar regulation for lottery or giveaways like France or Germany.

idk wrote: »

Wild baseless claims are pretty much void of real information. You are essentially saying Zos hates customers on Spain and that just sounds silly.

Yes? Maybe Im silly, but we haven't the game in Spanish, but it is in French or German. Ofc we have a "spanish community manager" who do all the posts on media in Spanish to sell their product, but the game is not in our language and now (again) we can't participate on contest...
Yes, I'm silly, but ZoS have a prob with Spanish People, or maybe is so lazy to do nothing for us, maybe they are wrong about our laws and the pass to search info about them and prefer to ban us from contest...

(Sorry for my bad english)

redspecter23

DetreS wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

https://money.howstuffworks.com/question541.htm

I found this article with a quick search. Although it doesn't specifically mention Spain, I would assume that all of the excluded areas are excluded for the reasons listed there. Like I mentioned earlier, it's too much trouble to adhere to many local laws and companies could open themselves up to huge fines and litigation. That's enough to keep many competitions out of these areas, though it's not impossible. You would just have to be willing to do MUCH more work and have a dedicated legal team which is likely too much of a cost in many cases.

This is for US laws. How many states do you have? 50?
In Europe we have 49 Countrys (not states), but 28 are on UE (Unión Europea) and all of these are under "same" laws.
We have the same/similar regulation for lottery or giveaways like France or Germany.

They must hate Spain then. No other possible explanation.

vgabor

Might be the Spanish Inquisition?

Acrolas

The declared value in the official rules of the Kaalgrontiid trophy is $6,500, and about $4,599.05 for the other prizes. Looking at $11,099.05 total.

Spain puts a 10% promotional tax on the total value of all prizes of the sweepstakes. $1,110 spent even if not a single resident of Spain wins anything.


And all the rules and conditions must be available in Spanish, which I'm guessing they aren't if changing the EN in the URL to a ES isn't pulling up anything...
https://esossl-a.akamaihd.net/uploads/Events/SlayDragonsSaveCats/Sweepstakes/Rules/ZeniMax_ESO_Q4_2019_Sweepstakes_Official_Rules_ES.pdf


(edit: Spanish language rules are at (ES-MX):)
https://esossl-a.akamaihd.net/uploads/Events/SlayDragonsSaveCats/Sweepstakes/Rules/ZeniMax_ESO_Q4_2019_Sweepstakes_Official_Rules_ES-MX.pdf

xxthir13enxx

^
But you can still blame Canada...
It’s okay....n we’re sorry...

idk

DetreS wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Wild baseless claims are pretty much void of real information. You are essentially saying Zos hates customers on Spain and that just sounds silly.

Yes? Maybe Im silly, but we haven't the game in Spanish, but it is in French or German. Ofc we have a "spanish community manager" who do all the posts on media in Spanish to sell their product, but the game is not in our language and now (again) we can't participate on contest...
Yes, I'm silly, but ZoS have a prob with Spanish People, or maybe is so lazy to do nothing for us, maybe they are wrong about our laws and the pass to search info about them and prefer to ban us from contest...

(Sorry for my bad english)

Yes, you are being silly. Unless there are not many players from Spain there would be no reason to leave Spain out of it unless there is something about this giveaway that does not comply with the laws of Spain. Saying you are pretty sure there is not a law against this when you have no idea is also silly.

Bioware has only 3 servers in EU for SWTOR. One for English, one for German and one for French. So there seems to be a reason and I doubt it is a hatred of such a fine nation or the beautiful language.

wolfie1.0.

Ultimately, ZOS can exclude any country or region they want as long as doing so does not violate any laws in countries or regions that they operate. Even if this does violate EU laws, to get a change in place you would need to file suit and get the courts to agree with you.

SFDB

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

It's because of the USS Maine. No, we are never letting that go!

wolfie1.0.

SFDB wrote: »

DetreS wrote: »

All participants must (a) be at least 18 years of age or older or the age of majority in their jurisdiction of residence, whichever is older, (residents of Alabama or Nebraska must be at least 19 years old; residents of Mississippi must be at least 21 years old), at the time of entry; (b) possess a valid form of identification; and, (c) be a legal resident of: one of the 50 United States or the District of Columbia, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec),Belgium, Czech Republic,Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Hungary,Ireland,Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Switzerland, or the United Kingdom. All applicable federal, national, state, provincial and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited, restricted or where Sweepstakes Group would be subject to a tax by law. Excluded from eligibility are officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives of Sweepstakes Group, each of its respective parent, affiliated or related companies, agencies, suppliers of the materials and services related to this Sweepstakes, and members of any immediate families (defined as parents, siblings, children and spouses, regardless of where they live) or households (whether or not related) of such officers, directors, employees, agents and sales representatives (collectively above, the “Eligibility Criteria”).

Can I know why Spain is out of eligibility for Bethesda Contests??

Thanks.

It's because of the USS Maine. No, we are never letting that go!

I thought it was that incident where the Navy lost the fight with that Spanish lighthouse....

kargen27

Acrolas wrote: »

The declared value in the official rules of the Kaalgrontiid trophy is $6,500, and about $4,599.05 for the other prizes. Looking at $11,099.05 total.

Spain puts a 10% promotional tax on the total value of all prizes of the sweepstakes. $1,110 spent even if not a single resident of Spain wins anything.


And all the rules and conditions must be available in Spanish, which I'm guessing they aren't if changing the EN in the URL to a ES isn't pulling up anything...
https://esossl-a.akamaihd.net/uploads/Events/SlayDragonsSaveCats/Sweepstakes/Rules/ZeniMax_ESO_Q4_2019_Sweepstakes_Official_Rules_ES.pdf

They also require a type of security deposit for the entire amount that is returned once the prizes are given out. Was a few other things that make it not worth while to jump through all the hoops.

Aarlur

Lots of EU countries missing from that list not just Spain. I am sure Bethesda doesnt exclude them from pure hatred but legal reasons.

Elsonso

DetreS wrote: »

This is for US laws. How many states do you have? 50?
In Europe we have 49 Countrys (not states), but 28 are on UE (Unión Europea) and all of these are under "same" laws.
We have the same/similar regulation for lottery or giveaways like France or Germany.

Apparently, not. Keep in mind that ZOS does not run these. No one at ZOS or Bethesda wants to run a Sweepstakes. They hire someone to do it. If Spain was as easy as Germany, I doubt it would be excluded.

VaranisArano

Truth be told, I'm a little surprised ZOS got all 50 states in this one. Usually Florida, New York, and Rhode Island get left out due to state laws on sweepstakes.