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Thank Talos, DOTs you wont be missed.
Heyodude
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Dot meta is going to die, I feel for mag DKs though, their whole thing is dots. Isn't it aggravating that ZOS has this all or nothing attitude when approaching in game changes. For example DKs pre 4.9 patch were the bog standard, Static rotation dott'em'up class. Thats fine, it was unique as their thing. And ZOS in their infinite wisdom determine patch 4.9 needs all the dots. So many in fact, they even considered the name "Elder Dots for everyone, even your mother and her friends cousin twice removed.. online" this however was not destined to be because they felt it was too weak of a title to exemplify how many dots people needed to cast. So they decided to instead keep the Licensed name and move forward with DOTs.
So.. since the backlash against dots was pretty solid, the combat team in their infinite wisdom and limited creativity, decide no-one having dots is the same thing as having viable and meta options for spam cast builds. And this is the crux of where the combat team ducks up over and over and over again. Its alright if dk is an endgame meta dot caster and other classes can focus on different things. Just because youre rapidly moving away from DOTs does not mean noone wants them. Why is it its always this all or nothing thing with zos?
I would love to sit in one of the combat teams, combat and design meetings to see how all these changes are decided. Because from the outside they seem to stem from misinformed pandering, rather than informed and logical calculations.
Like i can imagine a sitcom parallel universe where ZOS actually makes home appliances but apply the same surface level logic to the creation and distibution of their products.
Brian wheeler walks into a board room meeting and informs the team that one of their customers burnt themselves on a stove while cooking. So in response to this, the A-team dreams up a viable option to alleviate the issue to help with the problem of people potentially burning themselves, that option is fridges. Brian thinks this is brilliant and Gilliam begins assembling data about fridges and how they work. Gilliams end product is two fridges screwed together back to back and they have mini fridges within those 2 fridges. As to nail down the assured utilization of the fridges.
Then someone from customer relations says fridges are fine but they would really like an option to have access to stoves.
In a fit of pathalogical rage Brian and Gilliam determine they have to protect these hapless souls from the burning of stoves but they cant really get rid of their stock. SOOO in a flash of brilliance they decide to make the purchasing of stoves untenable. They saw all their stoves 46% in half and increase the stove prices from $2800.00 to $4500.00.
The team looks at all they've accomplished and send the IPS memos to Gina, Im sure Gina at this part writes back to see if this actually what theyve done in a half bemused state of disbelief and informs them its going to be hard to inform people about why theyll all be getting fridges.
Gilliam and Wheeler tell her she wouldn't understand because this is science.
Three weeks go by after the release of the fridges and people have become angry with the abundance of fridge they recieved.
Brian wheeler walks into a board room meeting and tells people that it turns out nobody really want or needed that much fridge in their lives. Gilliam says hes heard about these things called hot plates...
So.. since the backlash against dots was pretty solid, the combat team in their infinite wisdom and limited creativity, decide no-one having dots is the same thing as having viable and meta options for spam cast builds. And this is the crux of where the combat team ducks up over and over and over again. Its alright if dk is an endgame meta dot caster and other classes can focus on different things. Just because youre rapidly moving away from DOTs does not mean noone wants them. Why is it its always this all or nothing thing with zos?
I would love to sit in one of the combat teams, combat and design meetings to see how all these changes are decided. Because from the outside they seem to stem from misinformed pandering, rather than informed and logical calculations.
Like i can imagine a sitcom parallel universe where ZOS actually makes home appliances but apply the same surface level logic to the creation and distibution of their products.
Brian wheeler walks into a board room meeting and informs the team that one of their customers burnt themselves on a stove while cooking. So in response to this, the A-team dreams up a viable option to alleviate the issue to help with the problem of people potentially burning themselves, that option is fridges. Brian thinks this is brilliant and Gilliam begins assembling data about fridges and how they work. Gilliams end product is two fridges screwed together back to back and they have mini fridges within those 2 fridges. As to nail down the assured utilization of the fridges.
Then someone from customer relations says fridges are fine but they would really like an option to have access to stoves.
In a fit of pathalogical rage Brian and Gilliam determine they have to protect these hapless souls from the burning of stoves but they cant really get rid of their stock. SOOO in a flash of brilliance they decide to make the purchasing of stoves untenable. They saw all their stoves 46% in half and increase the stove prices from $2800.00 to $4500.00.
The team looks at all they've accomplished and send the IPS memos to Gina, Im sure Gina at this part writes back to see if this actually what theyve done in a half bemused state of disbelief and informs them its going to be hard to inform people about why theyll all be getting fridges.
Gilliam and Wheeler tell her she wouldn't understand because this is science.
Three weeks go by after the release of the fridges and people have become angry with the abundance of fridge they recieved.
Brian wheeler walks into a board room meeting and tells people that it turns out nobody really want or needed that much fridge in their lives. Gilliam says hes heard about these things called hot plates...
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xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭Buff Tin Foil.XB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.2 -
Ingel_Riday✭✭✭✭The funny thing is that for the past two years, I've heard that magicka dragonknights sucked... and I found it comforting. My damage numbers were okay, I liked playing a dot-based sub-class, and people thought my class sucked so the nerfs rolled out disproportionately onto others. Bunkered down, in my safe little flame-retardant nest.
… and now I'm screwed, haha. *shrug* I wonder if anyone in the developer meetings raised a hand and went "hey, dragonknight damage dealers are dot-based and we've even described them as attrition-focused. Should we give their class abilities a pass or shift those abilities to executes or something? As is, they're probably going to be decimated." Probably not. Probably focused on getting us ALL away from using dots and onto a light weave / spammable meta, which will get nerfed in Update 25. So it goes. I've accepted it.0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Who is this Talos you speak of? What has he to do with the dots? Sounds like an Imperial... Did he fight them away or used his diplomatic skills?_mysmiley.net.png)
[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
Kagukan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope! Everyone is equal. You get good DoT DPS I want good DoT DPS. You tanky, I want to be tanky. You heal, I want to heal just as good. That is what has been asked for and that is what is being delivered. Personally I think its a bad direction but that is the way things are going.2 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭At least you didn't add a Poll to this post, that would have made it truly unbearable.4 -
Heyodude✭✭✭Nope! Everyone is equal. You get good DoT DPS I want good DoT DPS. You tanky, I want to be tanky. You heal, I want to heal just as good. That is what has been asked for and that is what is being delivered. Personally I think its a bad direction but that is the way things are going.
Ahhh dude thats not even what happens though. Every patch has 1 class that outshines the rest no matter what because its all or nothing. its really to the point that if they want to make everyone viable and equal they just need to have one class and all the races have the same exact race bonuses.
Barring zos just remaking the whole game, 1 class, 1 race, would be the only way they will reach this equilibrium they drone on about but never seem to deliver. Its almost like equality is a pipe dream when applied to personal skill and viability is subjective to the individuals interpretations.0 -
woe✭✭✭✭oMg DoT mEtA dEaD xD
The game is at the point where every single class is running the exact same gear, using the exact same skills and if you don't you can't even hit a reliable or good total dps. You are basically saying you want the game to be a character customization and then everything past that is stale and doesn't change with no unique anything.uwu1 -
Heyodude✭✭✭oMg DoT mEtA dEaD xD
The game is at the point where every single class is running the exact same gear, using the exact same skills and if you don't you can't even hit a reliable or good total dps. You are basically saying you want the game to be a character customization and then everything past that is stale and doesn't change with no unique anything.
you think im trying to defend the dot meta?0 -
Skarbrand666✭✭✭> Buff DoTS far too much, see how strong they are, while they were fine beforehand
> Have a meeting about what to do when everyone gives feedback and it's overwhelmingly negative
> Nerf them by double the buff amount, making them worse than before the buff
This is balance, apparently
Kneejerk changes are not a good thing2 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is why a good company has drug testing. Don’t do crack on the job, kids. Don’t be like the ZOS combat team1
