stop forcing people to buy race change tokens

DeathPK

stop being greedy and buffing/nerfing races. it's so obvious the reason it is happening can't say i'm surprised ZOS is doing this though. what are your thoughts?

MaleAmazon

My immediate thought is that you are not forced to buy a race token.

essi2

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jircris11

Once again, your not forced. Zos is not holding your family hostage or a gun to your head.

amir412

@DeathPK Where does it says there a new race balance changes?

Nyladreas

Was there another racial skills change or is this guy just high?

Grimm13

Saw the subject and thought, Stop chasing the Meta.

Siohwenoeht

Well I wish I could have sold or traded my tokens. Used all three to tweak appearances but didn't change any toons race.

Btw, race isn't as important as it's made out to be. I've got a powerhouse Nord sorc in the works.

'gasp!'

Grianasteri

DeathPK wrote: »

stop being greedy and buffing/nerfing races. it's so obvious the reason it is happening can't say i'm surprised ZOS is doing this though. what are your thoughts?

I think a far more pressing concern is the unacceptable nerf/buff cycle. ZOS really needs to sort its shiz out and give players a break. We should NOT be getting drastic build/class breaking nerfs and buffs every few months. This is totally unacceptable and a real danger to the continued viability of the game.

The cost associated in time for farming new gear, gold, trait changes, enchants etc, its totally unfair to the vast majority of the player base. And it is not FUN, you know, the main reason people play computer games...

Fur_like_snow

Did the numbers come back yet? I heard at the beginning of the PTS Brenton + falsegod might be necessary for magicka DD in trial progression groups.

MaleAmazon

I heard at the beginning of the PTS Brenton + falsegod might be necessary for magicka DD in trial progression groups.

This is an honest question: in which progression group is this "necessary"? As in, "impossible to DPS without" or "you get kicked for not having it".

Just looking at crafted sets, any combination of Julianos, Seducer, Mechanical Acuity, Torug´s Pact and TBS should well do the trick.

I mean, I´ve played vet trials in quite non-meta sets, and I don´t really have any upgraded sustain sets apart from Vicious Serpent (which I know is the equivalent of False God´s Devotion, but I mostly use it on my vMA werewolf farm runs). I prefer to use heavy attacks for resource restore (just my playstyle) and I have never had any problems so long as I pull my weight. And this is with experienced people doing motif farming etc, a with me having a 'tank race' like Nord (even more a tank race pre-change), DPSing with sets like Sunderflame.

starkerealm

MaleAmazon wrote: »

...or "you get kicked for not having it".

When you're dealing with a prog group like that, the term that comes to mind is, "dodged a bullet."

mairwen85

‘Force’

Hapexamendios

I’ve never bought one myself.

SpiderCultist

Depends. If you are a min/maxer you'll always find an excuse to buy race tokens and they plan to change teh passives again.

FatelessLava

No one is forcing you to change it, play the race you enjoy the most. I play strictly Khajiit because I love the lore behind them and the only times I race changed are when I was new and mad a magblade a khajiit thinking weapon crit applies to all weapons. (This was before the recent racial changes) changing my high elf healer to an argonian (also way before the changes. Then used my racial change tokens on my dps (changing my high elf Templar to high elf then khajiit when he racial changes happened. Then my warden healer to khajiit)

Yeah there are some races with a slightly higher output (Breton for sustain, High elf for raw damage if you can sustain it)
The ting with Bretons, is that they have the sustain to run all damage glyphs while the other races might need to sacrifice one for a recovery and that’s the trade off. A dps can’t do damage if they run out of sustain.
Orcs are a bit over powered with their weapon damage, but really all races are very close in damage to each other. Find a race you like to play and if anyone tells you “you have to be x race to run with us” then don’t run with them if you are not that race.

FierceSam

You should only have to change race because you want to.

And shame on ZOS for making this something people have to pay for with real cash.

Double shame on trials/guild leaders who say “you have to be X, Y or Z” when what they really mean is “you need to provide so many k DPS”. If you can’t tell me straight, how on earth am I ever going to learn from you? And why on earth would I want to run with you?

JKorr

DeathPK wrote: »

stop being greedy and buffing/nerfing races. it's so obvious the reason it is happening can't say i'm surprised ZOS is doing this though. what are your thoughts?

ZOS should know sending out strong arm squads to player's homes to force them to buy race change tokens is illegal.

People who have to chase the meta.... I guess they *have* to buy the tokens since they are only allowed one character and can't make any others. Must be special edition of the game or something. Cause if they have a normal game, there are options.

My thoughts, the thoughts of a non competitive player who makes characters that are fun to play, is that the people who instantly change race because nerfs are a little strange. Unless there is some way to get paid in RL cash for being the super uber leetest evah with that 999 kazillion dps, it really isn't absolutely crucial to in-game life. If they have to bend to "peer" pressure because guilds, then oh well. Apparently dropping a guild that has totally unreasonable expectations isn't allowed either. Guess its a good thing the tokens are offered. I don't see the point of them; still have the free ones given out when the last omgthegameisruinedforever episode happened.

Asardes

When they changed racial passives they gave away 3 free for each account. Since then there was no change to racial passives. So what's forced?

Sanct16

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Well I wish I could have sold or traded my tokens. Used all three to tweak appearances but didn't change any toons race.

Btw, race isn't as important as it's made out to be. I've got a powerhouse Nord sorc in the works.

'gasp!'

When you don't care about being competitive the race doesn't matter.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

I never bought any, just used the free ones.

Juhasow

Each race that was good at something is still good at that thing after race rebalance.

redspecter23

There is a point to be made here and it's that your race is the only respec that you can only do with crowns and has no in game method of acquisition (crown gifting aside). You can respec your skills, stats, cp, vamp/ww, etc. all with in game gold but if your race is something you want to change, you generally need to spend actual money to do so.

ZOS gains every monetary advantage by pushing players toward race changes. It is in their best interest to shift things around every once in a while so players buy the tokens. It shifts dev priorities from game balance to monetary gains, even if just a little bit. While the OP is being a bit hyperbolic, there is merit in the argument that any changes to racial balance will drive some store sales for race change tokens which could be done not for the health of the game but for the health of the ZOS bottom line. The motivating factor for racial changes will not ever be seen through a clean lens, it will always be clouded by the possibility that the change is made to "force" sales whether it's actually true or not and ZOS will never come out and tell us if that is the motive.

Veinblood1965

Just one thing comes to mind, the force is not with us.

VaranisArano

Juhasow wrote: »

Each race that was good at something is still good at that thing after race rebalance.

Except for Bosmer, who are now champions at the Seek portion of Hide & Seek, but considerably less good at the Hiding part.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

All of my characters are Khajiits and I have no problem doing quests, Cryodiil, or anything else. Learning how to play, equipment choices and CP usage matter infinitely more than racial stats ever will.

shaielzafine

Nobody is forcing the OP. But let's be clear here. The problem is the devs can't make up their mind and they apply nerf roulette to everything. In the case of racials, it's a case of creating a problem and selling a solution in the crown store. You can't force the OP to adapt to a casual playstyle. If they want to play a race with certain passives they should be able to without having those racial attributes yoinked out of their current character. The nerf roulettes work for abilities and skill lines because you can buy things with gold in game, racials you can only fix with IRL money

Sergykid

why stop when it's good money. Same reason they buffed guild spells then put them in the crown store.

but can't complain, they get their money you get your time skip. Altho for race change, it's also a time skip because instead of making ingame gold to buy them as gifts, you get them directly ;d

zvavi

shaielzafine wrote: »

Nobody is forcing the OP. But let's be clear here. The problem is the devs can't make up their mind and they apply nerf roulette to everything. In the case of racials, it's a case of creating a problem and selling a solution in the crown store. You can't force the OP to adapt to a casual playstyle. If they want to play a race with certain passives they should be able to without having those racial attributes yoinked out of their current character. The nerf roulettes work for abilities and skill lines because you can buy things with gold in game, racials you can only fix with IRL money

Never bought crowns from other players?

WuffyCerulei

You aren’t forced to play any race. Choose what you want. You only force yourself to play a certain race.

Elwendryll

I used the name change tokens to give my khajiit characters more researched names.

I still have the race change ones in case I regret making a non-khajiit and I need to make it a khajiit