Buff Snipe

ThePhantomThorn

Don’t get me wrong I like sniping and think it’s a valid play style but we need to make it more like a snipe
Less like a spammable, glitchy mediocre damage skill

So first I think that it needs a MAJOR damage buff (to make it more like a proper snipe) but I think it should have a longer cast time to balance. Basically so you can’t stack snipes before the 1st one lands.
It should be a high damage, long range, and precision skill that can kill a player very fast. Not something that you stack in midair on 1 target.

For the salty ones here are some counters to snipe:
-dodge roll (it’s super effective!)
-cloak
-damage shields
-block

Any other ideas on making snipe a proper sniping tool?

HowlKimchi

Snipe's fine as is.

ScruffyWhiskers

This is going to be fun. I predict the buff version will be more entertaining than the balance version.

Edit: I would actually like to see a small buff so more people use it. Aside from catching somebody looking at the crown store, there is nothing more satisfying than the sight of a player popping into visibility with that archer animation. It's like an AP gift falling from the sky.

lukoi

Properly applied with other skills and LA, snipes can already hit very hard. Seems like you are advocating for a one shot snipe which wouldnt be healthy for this MMO.

As someone with 3 of his 5 PvP chars being NB, and 4 of 5 being bow users on at least one bar, I vote a big no to buffing it in a vacuum.

It is a solid option as is with clear pros and cons to spending a bar slot on (I use it on one NB for example). Buffing it risks it becoming a must have skill.

lukoi

P.s. all of your counters are predicated on seeing the already hard hitting combination of snipe/PI/LA coming.

A major damage buff would allow for near or actual one hits, that none of your counters would really address.

jadarock

As a longgg time snipe finish in melee ganker...
Imo The game would be better off if the skill was deleted altogether

chrightt

jadarock wrote: »

As a longgg time snipe finish in melee ganker...
Imo The game would be better off if the skill was deleted altogether

What? Don’t think this skill is OP atm. Sure, it deals more damage than most spammable but it has 1s cast time. Don’t see why this skill should be deleted just cause some people use it to finish off their ganks and you got no clue how to react.

jadarock

chrightt wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

As a longgg time snipe finish in melee ganker...
Imo The game would be better off if the skill was deleted altogether

What? Don’t think this skill is OP atm. Sure, it deals more damage than most spammable but it has 1s cast time. Don’t see why this skill should be deleted just cause some people use it to finish off their ganks and you got no clue how to react.

I never said it was op
Also what are you talking about ? I have no clue how to react?!? Lol I heal myself and others while laughing at snipers currently on live.
My point is most snipers stand off to the side with a buddy while a good fight going on and mindlessly spam 1 button thinking they're good while ruining/influencing the fight. As I say it doesn't incentivize skillful gameplay. I should know i opened with snipe and finished with 2hd in melee for my first 3 years playing.
The skill is trash and mostly used by bad players...

ThePhantomThorn

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

Ucarious

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

So you want to play call of duty. Ok.


Guys, these are bows and arrows, not bolt action rifles. C'mon now.

lukoi

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

I called it almost perfectly.

ThePhantomThorn

Ucarious wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

So you want to play call of duty. Ok.


Guys, these are bows and arrows, not bolt action rifles. C'mon now.

Arrows are lethal irl. Imagine a long bullet. Not gunna go into deets but I can’t imagine any1 enjoying spamming abilities

Iskiab

Snipe, ballista, and all cast/channels should be removed until the health desync problem is solved.

SodanTok

Nope. One shot kills dont belong to this game. While in the past snipe needed to be one shot kill because it was the only way to kill anyone with bow and while currently its not that much better at least the arsenal of ranged abilities grew. The only buffs snipe needed from day one were abilities to support its killing potential (think what curse/endless fury are to frag).

HowlKimchi

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

You want to kill someone in PVP with 1 snipe?

lukoi

HaruKamui wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

The dmg is ok rn but having to hit at least 2 snipes to kill anything is kinda excessive. I want something more specialised. Less spammy more snipey

You want to kill someone in PVP with 1 snipe?

Yes he does and you can counter it even though you dont know it is coming with your shields and dodgerolls due to telepathy obviously!

/sarcasm off.

That the OP is oblivious to the cancer he is advocating for is mildly amusing really.

ThePhantomThorn

lukoi wrote: »

Properly applied with other skills and LA, snipes can already hit very hard. Seems like you are advocating for a one shot snipe which wouldnt be healthy for this MMO.

As someone with 3 of his 5 PvP chars being NB, and 4 of 5 being bow users on at least one bar, I vote a big no to buffing it in a vacuum.

It is a solid option as is with clear pros and cons to spending a bar slot on (I use it on one NB for example). Buffing it risks it becoming a must have skill.

I can see what you mean. I wouldn’t want it to be a must have skill. but I think it should be a more tactical skill. Snipe builds rn can never kill an average enemy with 1 snipe. It may be controversial but I think snipers should be able to. (On super squish builds) the elsweyr change basically made it so you could stack snipes over and over but with less damage, resulting in the same dps but lower burst potential. Think about it. Sniper should be able to pick of targets quickly, from long range. This does not mean 2-3 snipes and silver leash/PI
A few other ideas that I had to give insight.
-Increase damage depending on range
-increase damage when out of combat (so 1st target is hit super hard)


And yes, the counters that I listed are only for those who know they are being sniped, you can still see the projectile if you are perceptive.

But by increasing cast and travel times, but also increasing damage, you would get a much better skill for stealthy kills, but would make it easier to dodge. If you see it coming

I just want snipe to be a snipe and not a spammable that you have to hit multiple times to get any damage

ThePhantomThorn

Ok people are getting confused. I don’t mean to say that snipe should be a 1 shot (like just a 30k snipe on your recap) more like a higher damage but lower spammy version of now. While a 1 shot would be fun (for a while) I’m mainly wanting snipe to reliably kill almost any1 without multiple snipes

Eg. Snipe-la-silver leash = kill
Cuz rn it takes 2 or more snipes which often means that you fail because of lag and the obvious counters. Look at pre elsweyr snipe. Most didn’t need 2-3 snipes.
Hit 1 snipe per combo is what I ment

The kind of change that I’m wanting is a maybe a 30% damage buff, followed by a 1.5 sec cast time. Also I think travel time should be reduced to pre elsweyr

jadarock

Go play overland.

*You can 1 or 2 shot almost everything

Iskiab

3 button presses to kill someone in pvp? Sounds horrible.

jaime1982

This thread is only mildly entertaining. OP cant be that dense.....

chris211

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

Don’t get me wrong I like sniping and think it’s a valid play style but we need to make it more like a snipe
Less like a spammable, glitchy mediocre damage skill

So first I think that it needs a MAJOR damage buff (to make it more like a proper snipe) but I think it should have a longer cast time to balance. Basically so you can’t stack snipes before the 1st one lands.
It should be a high damage, long range, and precision skill that can kill a player very fast. Not something that you stack in midair on 1 target.

For the salty ones here are some counters to snipe:
-dodge roll (it’s super effective!)
-cloak
-damage shields
-block

Any other ideas on making snipe a proper sniping tool?

no delete snipe

ThePhantomThorn

jaime1982 wrote: »

This thread is only mildly entertaining. OP cant be that dense.....

Rude...
Just a player who likes sniping

ThePhantomThorn

Iskiab wrote: »

3 button presses to kill someone in pvp? Sounds horrible.

Mmm...
Haunting curse... mages wrath.... crystal fragments...

jadarock

So like is this a nerf sorc thread now?!?

ThePhantomThorn

Sorry il give more examples of instant kill combos that take very few hits:

Incap-relentless
Dizzy swing-leap/dbos
Dizzy swing-sub assault-dbos
Potl-jab spam
Necro ult
Bash Necro
Zerg bombing
Onslaught + literally anything
Magplar existing
30+ players using all of the above on 1 player

Taking all of these into account, is a 20-30% snipe buff(but increasing cast time to stop spam) that bad?

Iskiab

jadarock wrote: »

So like is this a nerf sorc thread now?!?

Nah, it’s not that entertaining, it’s missing the sorc nerf thread spice.

NuarBlack

Actually opposite of what needs to happen. Cast time needs to be reduced to like .5 or .8 seconds and the self snare removed. Perhaps lower its damage a little but flatten its arc and lower its travel time to help with desync and make it useful for skirmisher bow builds so the skill is useful for classes other than gankblades. Rename it power shot or something. Delete volley or arrow spray and give the bow line some utility skill that synergizes with it in both pve and pvp.

ThePhantomThorn

NuarBlack wrote: »

Actually opposite of what needs to happen. Cast time needs to be reduced to like .5 or .8 seconds and the self snare removed. Perhaps lower its damage a little but flatten its arc and lower its travel time to help with desync and make it useful for skirmisher bow builds so the skill is useful for classes other than gankblades. Rename it power shot or something. Delete volley or arrow spray and give the bow line some utility skill that synergizes with it in both pve and pvp.

This idea is interesting. Would make bow main builds better for pvp. Maybe 1 morph could have a shorter cast and more mobility while the other would be for ganking


Also just gunna say for the people on here to entertain themselves. Duck off. I am trying to make snipe a more viable skill and trying to throw around ideas with other serious individuals like the player above.

lukoi

It is already a viable skill. What you are describing would be OP frankly. It already hits hard enough, especially when combined properly with another skill and LA.

zDan

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL