No CC EsO (bye stamina builds)

runkorkoeb17_ESO

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

[Edit for censor bypass.]

StormeReigns

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

As a casual, not really too happy abot it. So... why would i be happy about that they made my stamsorc and Stamplar even more boring?

Kel

Was promised more class identity. Saw none.

Saw another increase of ability costs and reduction of effectiveness. How could volly be further nerfed? Well, Zos found a way.

Laugh or cry indeed...

runkorkoeb17_ESO

Kel wrote: »

Was promised more class identity. Saw none.

Saw another increase of ability costs and reduction of effectiveness. How could volly be further nerfed? Well, Zos found a way.

Laugh or cry indeed...

What class identity when they force all stam builds to use the only CC they have left/ Turn Undead

khajiitNPC

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

Naftal

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

If no one QQs then this will also be the last round.

runkorkoeb17_ESO

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

How not to "whine" when we are forcing to stonefist each other to death ?

Stonefist:
This ability no longer stuns the target outright, but instead applies a stack of “Stagger” to the enemy. After 5 stacks, the enemy will be stunned by the next Stonefist cast at them, including from other Dragonknights. If the target was stunned, all stacks of Stagger are removed.

You see any loginc in this ?
light attack>stone fist>random skill>light attack>stone fist>random skill>light attack>stone fist>random skill>light attack>stone fist>random skill>light attack>stone fist= STUN.

Enlight me please.

(sory is AFTER 5 stacks/ not on five/ so you can add one more round of light attack>stone fist>random skill )

khajiitNPC

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

How not to "whine" when we are forcing to *** each other to death ?

Stonefist:
This ability no longer stuns the target outright, but instead applies a stack of “Stagger” to the enemy. After 5 stacks, the enemy will be stunned by the next Stonefist cast at them, including from other Dragonknights. If the target was stunned, all stacks of Stagger are removed.

You see any loginc in this ?
light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist= STUN.

Enlight me please.

I won’t have to, your favorite YTuber will hold your hand and show you the way. Is this your first MMO? How about hop on PTS and check it out?

StormeReigns

khajiitNPC wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

How not to "whine" when we are forcing to *** each other to death ?

Stonefist:
This ability no longer stuns the target outright, but instead applies a stack of “Stagger” to the enemy. After 5 stacks, the enemy will be stunned by the next Stonefist cast at them, including from other Dragonknights. If the target was stunned, all stacks of Stagger are removed.

You see any loginc in this ?
light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist= STUN.

Enlight me please.

I won’t have to, your favorite YTuber will hold your hand and show you the way. Is this your first MMO? How about hop on PTS and check it out?

So much pent up aggression. No wonder why the U.S. Congress thinks video games cause violence. Think ya need to take a break, possible a long walk on a short pier.

ZarkingFrued

khajiitNPC wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

How not to "whine" when we are forcing to *** each other to death ?

Stonefist:
This ability no longer stuns the target outright, but instead applies a stack of “Stagger” to the enemy. After 5 stacks, the enemy will be stunned by the next Stonefist cast at them, including from other Dragonknights. If the target was stunned, all stacks of Stagger are removed.

You see any loginc in this ?
light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist= STUN.

Enlight me please.

I won’t have to, your favorite YTuber will hold your hand and show you the way. Is this your first MMO? How about hop on PTS and check it out?

I understand that you're against community, and sharing build ideas. We all get it. Also, no one cares.

runkorkoeb17_ESO

khajiitNPC wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

How not to "whine" when we are forcing to *** each other to death ?

Stonefist:
This ability no longer stuns the target outright, but instead applies a stack of “Stagger” to the enemy. After 5 stacks, the enemy will be stunned by the next Stonefist cast at them, including from other Dragonknights. If the target was stunned, all stacks of Stagger are removed.

You see any loginc in this ?
light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist>random skill>light attack>sone fist= STUN.

Enlight me please.

I won’t have to, your favorite YTuber will hold your hand and show you the way. Is this your first MMO? How about hop on PTS and check it out?

its my 20+ y off mmos, maybe thats why i see the things you are blind of.
To check what ? how much time will take me to spam FIVE fists in a roll to get 3 sec stun?
Or to see how less dmg my (only dot viable) DK will do ?
I already know- 60%.
Or to test how dizzy swings instead of stun give 7 sec off blalance?
Or to test how OP is the new changes to ALREADY OP perma frost?
Or the new, 3 range longer snipe spam ?
Are you kidding me m8 ?

GeorgeBlack

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

Hahhahahahahhahaha.
What a noob

runkorkoeb17_ESO

One question ZoS.
Put pvp aside, BUT do you even think about how this changes will afect casual PvE ?
Lets be honest/ the main sorce of casual pve players dmg comes from dots, the randoms you get in your RND que. Its already hard to compleate (NORMAL) DLC dungeons with such players, and now after the 60% nerf on the dots will be nearly imposible/and we speak about normal DLC dungeons here.
I dont know whats the point behind all this chnages, and i hope my intuition is wrong this time.

usmguy1234

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

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But magplars have a gapcloser, cc and offbalance all in one that does decent damage with burning light proc...

runkorkoeb17_ESO

usmguy1234 wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

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But magplars have a gapcloser, cc and offbalance all in one that does decent damage with burning light proc...

Yes, think is time mag builds to have their fun.
Stil too hard hit to stamina. Even with stun was hard to pin down good mag sorc or NB, now it wont be possible.

MajBludd

It's the dumbing down of combat for the casual player they are targeting.

GlorphNoldorin

Do you really think they are targeting anything? They change direction faster than you can blink......lets buff dots....lets nerf dots......the only surprise was that they buffed them in the first place......all the time changes no one asks for.....

nuf said...they have no idea

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

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Ahh look. NB/DK poster child crying.
You do realise the CC changes were well overdue by 5 years mate?

They put a stop on NB/DK macro cancers, where with 2 buttons could stun/immobilize and drain all the stamina of someone, making him a sitting duck stunned and immovable until his/her death.

Waffennacht

I don't like the changes this far

Kel

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Do you really think they are targeting anything? They change direction faster than you can blink......lets buff dots....lets nerf dots......the only surprise was that they buffed them in the first place......all the time changes no one asks for.....

nuf said...they have no idea

This.

I'm thinking about suing for damages because the whiplash caused by these changes. (This is sarcasm... that shouldn't need an explanation, but someone will take it seriously, so here we are.)

Nerf snipe...now we buff snipe.
Buff DoTs...now we nerf DoTs.
Buff Bleeds...now we nerf bleeds.
Buff Dizzy swing...now we nerf dizzy swing.
Nerf Surge..now we buff surge.

Oh, and make everything cost more and do way less damage.

All within a single patch cycle.

Said it many times, and I'll say it another.
Change just for the sake of change isn't good. These whiplash changes don't show a vision, it shows you're cluelessly throwing things at a wall hoping something sticks.

It's not a good look...

max_only

Cc never worked for me anyway

Edit: actually I did kill someone with dizzy swing on a stam Sorc today. They were afk at a transitus shrine in a keep but I killed them.

runkorkoeb17_ESO

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

[Edit for censor bypass.]

Ahh look. NB/DK poster child crying.
You do realise the CC changes were well overdue by 5 years mate?

They put a stop on NB/DK macro cancers, where with 2 buttons could stun/immobilize and drain all the stamina of someone, making him a sitting duck stunned and immovable until his/her death.

https://imgur.com/a/PPBWB67
As you can see i dont have only nb/dk
Dont even know why you put NB here? Because of d/ swings? What about stam wrd d/swings then?
Is not my foult that you go with 9k stam in PvP. So NB/DK cc drain your stam, but magica CC is free to break? Because i dont see any mag CC removed. Just POINTLESS dmg reduce on pets, which already do no dmg ...
And keep in mind, nerfing skills, wont improve your skill lvl in pvp. So chill the joy alittle and dont try to troll.

Kadoin

Kel wrote: »

Was promised more class identity. Saw none.

Saw another increase of ability costs and reduction of effectiveness. How could volly be further nerfed? Well, Zos found a way.

Laugh or cry indeed...

The blade cloak change was my favorite.

Instead of nerfing BRP DW, they increased the cost so no melee mag users could actually use it, make it also harder to keep up on a heavy armor build, and ultimately put a stam skill in the realm of mag costs

Yet again, balance through nerfing skills instead of sets...we see the results!

jcm2606

khajiitNPC wrote: »

This is only the first round of the PTS cycle. QQ more whiners.

People warned ZoS about how supremely OP DoT's were last PTS basically from the beginning, and look what happened, they got to live unscathed!

You're kidding yourself if you think major changes happen regularly on the PTS. The only time major changes happen is if the community QQ's enough. See shield cast times being reverted because the entire Sorc community unloaded mountains of salt (understandably) on the forums.

Unfortunately, this kind of QQ only happens for 1 or 2 things a PTS cycle, and, more importantly, the community is just too tired of the nerfs to QQ that loudly anymore.

Juhasow

Looks like this is the way ZoS have found to fix bugs. If something is not working properly then just remove it. Can't fix break free from knockbaks ? Remove the knockbacks. That's brilliant. That way we can be sure they'll "fix" all the bugs

Emma_Overload

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

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There's a famous 1vXer named Kristofer who does this ALL THE TIME. He even explains how to do it in his videos. You don't have to do a "full" heavy attack, either, a medium attack is fine. Also, all you have to do is roll dodge to set people off balance if you have the right CP passive.

Watch his videos here, you might learn something: https://www.youtube.com/user/kristofersommermusic

p4l4mu7

Dizzy Swing change is the worst change for me in this patch, instead of knock back now it has off balance its like a joke, yeah i can dizzy heavy attack a newbie player but i doubt that any experienced player will stand still and watch the heavy attack coming. Also it is completely useless in 1vX, off balance looks good on paper you can cc right before you do your burst but it wont work in a real situation nobody will stand still and get hit by a 2h heavy attack.

Also the stonefist change is completely stupid am i suppose to spend 20k stamina to stun someone, you can just use a immovable pot on 4th stack.

I really wonder if the game devs really know how this game works.

runkorkoeb17_ESO

Emma_Overload wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Converting ALL hard cc stam skills to "off balance" ones and tell ppl to use heavy attack after....
I wana see you do this in pvp. 1vX, heavy attacking them to death
You guys, literaly [snip] on the time this players spend to gear up and upgrade this gear.
On top of that you killed DK too / both stamina and magick.
Good job. Casuals will be hapy. No one will dizzy swings them to death anymore
I dont know to laugh or to cry ...

[Edit for censor bypass.]

There's a famous 1vXer named Kristofer who does this ALL THE TIME. He even explains how to do it in his videos. You don't have to do a "full" heavy attack, either, a medium attack is fine. Also, all you have to do is roll dodge to set people off balance if you have the right CP passive.

Watch his videos here, you might learn something: https://www.youtube.com/user/kristofersommermusic

Even medium attack add 1.5 seconds and almost no dmg to your execute rotation. Kris do it with the right set and build/ and there are max 2 variations of it. Do we all need to run same 1 set/2 builds to be "meta" viable ? I`m sure most of the mid lvl pvpers can make a video where they wreck 810 cp pvers in Cyro only spaming heavy attacks. Do this make heavy attack spam style viable agains decent pvp players ? Stuned player cant block. Now first we need to land 1 second "cast" d/swing followed by 1.5 sec medium attack, to get stun. About roll dodge putting ppl off balance. Yes is neat, and its a great addition to roll dodge bulds, because is literaly free. Wana see you roll dodging in heavy armor
Whatever we say, ZoS screw it hard.
Good thing is, they stil have time to revert it.

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

I really wonder if the game devs really know how this game works.

Hardly

Tan9oSuccka

My heavy and light attacks miss all the time in Cyrodiil. Dude standing right in front of me. If that’s the kind of combat they want, I’ll pass.

Well, Zenimax it’s been a good ride. You’ve officially lost me on these changes.

You may want to rethink these.

Morgul667

It seems they want every class to have a “stack 5 of them type of skills” so they made it a damage spammable with a weird function

Morgul667

But it s really hard to kill a decent player without cc