Should ESO get the same sprint bar as in BDO ?

Delparis

Sprint will no more cost any stamina and will provide some extra speed for x sec with x sec recharge time.
This is used in BDO, maybe this will help in ESO especially for magicka classes.

RouDeR

Git GuT

Vhozek

If you don't have the STAMINA, you don't run.
Consistencies are fine so long as they're not killing RPG elements.

redlink1979

No.
If you don't have stamina you can't run.

Deathlord92

No just no in real life could you run for ever lmao 😂

LuxLunae

See what you wanna do is...become a sorc and use a move called streak...
and when you can't run summon pets and stack shields

I am not sure if this data I am givin you is outdated tho..

zaria

Vhozek wrote: »

If you don't have the STAMINA, you don't run.
Consistencies are fine so long as they're not killing RPG elements.

Yes stamina players can sprint longer but then they can not fight.

logarifmik

Delparis wrote: »

Sprint will no more cost any stamina and will provide some extra speed for x sec with x sec recharge time.
This is used in BDO, maybe this will help in ESO especially for magicka classes.

Yes, it should. I told about it on the forum several times already. I'll cite my post from this thread here.

logarifmik wrote: »

First of all, no swap bars mechanic!
Instead, regular MMO skillbar with 4-10 skills depending on the character level.

Second, no Stamina/Magicka dichotomy.
Stamina is used for running, jumping, light and heavy attacking and some combat skills. If Stamina is low, cost of skills is increased. For purely combat skills instead of Magicka and Stamina another separate power source is used, like Focus or something. All skills could cost all these three power sources at the same time. Like, Twin Slashes costs X Focus and Y Stamina, or DK's Lava Whip costs X Magicka, Y Focus and Z Stamina, or Sorcerer's Summon Familiar X Magicka and Y Focus miss till summoned creature is alive. Stamina cost is small enough to make the whole thing playable without allowing to stupidly spam skills. It kinda works like limiter for a player, which force him to think before act. Anyway, current system I find annoying and blunt as hell.

But the solution you propose would be welcomed as well.

nafensoriel

ESO is not BDO.
ESO is not WOW.
ESO is not DAOC.
ESO is not GW/GW2.

All of these things are different for a reason.
Stop homogenizing MMOs.

zaria

logarifmik wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

Sprint will no more cost any stamina and will provide some extra speed for x sec with x sec recharge time.
This is used in BDO, maybe this will help in ESO especially for magicka classes.

Yes, it should. I told about it on the forum several times already. I'll cite my post from this thread here.

logarifmik wrote: »

First of all, no swap bars mechanic!
Instead, regular MMO skillbar with 4-10 skills depending on the character level.

Second, no Stamina/Magicka dichotomy.
Stamina is used for running, jumping, light and heavy attacking and some combat skills. If Stamina is low, cost of skills is increased. For purely combat skills instead of Magicka and Stamina another separate power source is used, like Focus or something. All skills could cost all these three power sources at the same time. Like, Twin Slashes costs X Focus and Y Stamina, or DK's Lava Whip costs X Magicka, Y Focus and Z Stamina, or Sorcerer's Summon Familiar X Magicka and Y Focus miss till summoned creature is alive. Stamina cost is small enough to make the whole thing playable without allowing to stupidly spam skills. It kinda works like limiter for a player, which force him to think before act. Anyway, current system I find annoying and blunt as hell.

But the solution you propose would be welcomed as well.

Even worse ideas in that they would not work at all.
First bar swapping is one of the fundamentals of ESO combat design.
Removing this would require changing set and skills a lot. You can either use bow or melee, healing or destro staff.
Its also designed for consoles in mind with the 2x5+1 skills.

ChunkyCat

I want ESO to have cool mounts like they do in Mario Kart.

Keledus

It would be nice if sprinting had it's seperate resource pool and wasn't used from the stamina resource pool.
This way both stam & magicka classes wouldn't be screwed over on it and both can run at the same speed/length.

logarifmik

zaria wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

Sprint will no more cost any stamina and will provide some extra speed for x sec with x sec recharge time.
This is used in BDO, maybe this will help in ESO especially for magicka classes.

Yes, it should. I told about it on the forum several times already. I'll cite my post from this thread here.

logarifmik wrote: »

First of all, no swap bars mechanic!
Instead, regular MMO skillbar with 4-10 skills depending on the character level.

Second, no Stamina/Magicka dichotomy.
Stamina is used for running, jumping, light and heavy attacking and some combat skills. If Stamina is low, cost of skills is increased. For purely combat skills instead of Magicka and Stamina another separate power source is used, like Focus or something. All skills could cost all these three power sources at the same time. Like, Twin Slashes costs X Focus and Y Stamina, or DK's Lava Whip costs X Magicka, Y Focus and Z Stamina, or Sorcerer's Summon Familiar X Magicka and Y Focus miss till summoned creature is alive. Stamina cost is small enough to make the whole thing playable without allowing to stupidly spam skills. It kinda works like limiter for a player, which force him to think before act. Anyway, current system I find annoying and blunt as hell.

But the solution you propose would be welcomed as well.

Even worse ideas in that they would not work at all.
First bar swapping is one of the fundamentals of ESO combat design.
Removing this would require changing set and skills a lot. You can either use bow or melee, healing or destro staff.
Its also designed for consoles in mind with the 2x5+1 skills.

Check the name of the thread where it was posted, damn you.

Darkenarlol

can i have a tetris game in ESO?

and car racing & stuff from gta?

and assault helicopters? cuz they r cute?

tanks with laser cannons and spaceships plox?


JUST STOP IT ALLREADY

ChunkyCat

Darkenarlol wrote: »

JUST STOP IT ALLREADY

So... you’re saying there’s a chance!

Kagukan

I think the mechanic is fine how it is and I am a mag sorc.

Ei8htba11

Why?

Stamina is a gauge of your physical prowess. As such all physical activities from direct melee combat to sprinting use Stamina. Sprint hard to get into combat and arrive somewhat out of puff.

Magica classes: Spent all their time indoors with books focusing their will and gaining arcane knowledge. Of course there was a trade off. No longer as physically adept as their stamina counterparts, they can wrap reality around their little fingers and drop rocks from the heavens on your head. Running into combat is not really their thing (preferring summoned daedra and elemental magics to do the heavy lifting).

DeadlyRecluse

Differential resource management for stam/vs mag specs is one of the pillars of ESO design. Moving core mechanics onto hypothetical new/universal resource pools just goes further to reduce playstyle diversity and homogenize specs.

wolfie1.0.

All I will say is that I dont find it intuitive that swinging your weapon harder would restore stamina.....

VaranisArano

Look, if you really want a different method of handling Sprint, I say we go old school Elder Scrolls.

Bring back Fatigue, Speed, and Agility.

What's that, you don't like starting the game off at a crawl only to get really speedy after you level up a bunch?

Hmm. Okay, maybe Skyrim and ESO had a pretty good idea after all.

FearlessOne_2014

@Delparis most of the regular forum goers are Stamina based players. So only expect to hear "buff stamina nerf magicka".

Actually in general the devs of ESO are also very bias against casters. So either you just Role Play as a gimped caster in ESO. You just do what most of the players left playing ESO has done and reroll to a Stamina Spec. Or you find another game that don't gimp casters.

The forums and devs of this game, are against nearly anything that would make casters competitive in PvP in this game.

Chilly-McFreeze

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, if you really want a different method of handling Sprint, I say we go old school Elder Scrolls.

Bring back Fatigue, Speed, and Agility.

What's that, you don't like starting the game off at a crawl only to get really speedy after you level up a bunch?

Hmm. Okay, maybe Skyrim and ESO had a pretty good idea after all.

Eeewww. Just because Skyrim doesn't puts you in a crawl at start doesn't mean it's the best. IMO it's the least RPG'y of all sp TES games. Only saving grace (build wise) where the perks and that mostly thanks to some mod authors. Now, if someone would combine classical stats with new perk systems, that would be awesome. The more build options the merrier.

In conclusion, I'd be all for the old school STR/ INT/ etc. system as one (!) layer of character building if we ever get an ESO 2 or TES 6.

E: oh, and ESO puts you through some kind of crawl speed period: horse training

VaranisArano

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, if you really want a different method of handling Sprint, I say we go old school Elder Scrolls.

Bring back Fatigue, Speed, and Agility.

What's that, you don't like starting the game off at a crawl only to get really speedy after you level up a bunch?

Hmm. Okay, maybe Skyrim and ESO had a pretty good idea after all.

Eeewww. Just because Skyrim doesn't puts you in a crawl at start doesn't mean it's the best. IMO it's the least RPG'y of all sp TES games. Only saving grace (build wise) where the perks and that mostly thanks to some mod authors. Now, if someone would combine classical stats with new perk systems, that would be awesome. The more build options the merrier.

In conclusion, I'd be all for the old school STR/ INT/ etc. system as one (!) layer of character building if we ever get an ESO 2 or TES 6.

E: oh, and ESO puts you through some kind of crawl speed period: horse training

That's pure personal preference there. As is my own opinion.

I couldn't stand Morrowind's crawling speed, nor the micromanagement of stat/skills that passed for Level Ups in either Morrowind or Oblivion. I play D&D, but that doesnt require me to grind out certain skills if I want a certain modifier in a particular stat the way those did.

That being said, if ZOS is going to take inspiration from another game besides Skyrim, I'd far rather they kept it in the TES family rather than looking at BDO or other games entirely.

logarifmik

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

All I will say is that I dont find it intuitive that swinging your weapon harder would restore stamina.....

This. The one who came up with it is definitely a "genius".

magictucktuck

Deathlord92 wrote: »

No just no in real life could you run for ever lmao 😂

I dont support this, but I love to debate. And in real life its pretty easy to run long distances assuming you are in shape and its not your first time running, which I would say our toons are in good shape so i don't think its farfetched to believe they could run for a couple minutes to their destination, or even for a few hours, but no one runs that long in game without stopping

kinguardian

No imo this would not be a improvement because actually when you run from a enemy or fight and run it makes you think on how to spend your stamina.

And also it makes a sense to cost stamina because running and sprinting is something that takes effort so for me it only makes sense that this is also the case in games.

IndianaJames7

I don’t believe you do have the STAMINA

majulook

Why make games all the same?
IMHO making games the same would ruin games.

Partomax

This sounds awful, ew

kinguardian

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I want ESO to have cool mounts like they do in Mario Kart.

http://imgur.com/gallery/xXaBp0D








How can I get the photo here instead of the link to it?

Chilly-McFreeze

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's pure personal preference there.
[...]
That being said, if ZOS is going to take inspiration from another game besides Skyrim, I'd far rather they kept it in the TES family rather than looking at BDO or other games entirely.

Agreed.

magictucktuck wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

No just no in real life could you run for ever lmao 😂

I dont support this, but I love to debate. And in real life its pretty easy to run long distances assuming you are in shape and its not your first time running, which I would say our toons are in good shape so i don't think its farfetched to believe they could run for a couple minutes to their destination, or even for a few hours, but no one runs that long in game without stopping

But you can run indefinitely in ESO. You just can't sprint forever.