Hireling Passive Abilities

tigerborn62

Get rid of Snakeblood In Alchemy and replace it with Hireling. Add Hireling to Jewelry Crafting, also.
Thank you.

EvilAutoTech

While this would be appreciated, I doubt it will happen. Not the first time either had been asked for.

Also, inb4 "fix the game first" replies

Aurie

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Derra

Aurelle1 wrote: »

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Could you give an example of a potion that would need the snakeblood passive?

Cirantille

Yeah, I'd appreciate a hireling considering how rare Alchemy ingredients are.
Use keen eye instead, they glow

StormeReigns

tigerborn62 wrote: »

Get rid of Snakeblood In Alchemy and replace it with Hireling. Add Hireling to Jewelry Crafting, also.
Thank you.

Agreed. As well combine Laboratory Use and Chemistry as a single passive. Create a new passive; Call it something like Apothecary Bandolier and allow poisons that are not equipped to be thrown at the ground to deal a 3-6.5 second AoE dealing their appropriate damage as well effect to those in the area affected through the quick item button.

TheGreatBlackBear

How exactly does snakeblood work? Does it reduce the negative effects of the pot you?

Matthew_Galvanus

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

How exactly does snakeblood work? Does it reduce the negative effects of the pot you?

yes it does

MisterBigglesworth

Derra wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Could you give an example of a potion that would need the snakeblood passive?

I don't even think there's a situation where you can use fewer or less expensive mats by settling for an equal potion with negative effects. It really is a useless passive.

virtus753

I too am curious to know which potions are being used that make Snakeblood worth taking. (The tooltip also states that it only applies to potions, not poisons.)

As far as I’m aware, potions with mixed positive and negative effects don’t drop in game (please correct me if I’m wrong on that), so they must be crafted. When crafting them, which beneficial effect or pair of effects can’t be produced except in combination with a negative effect? If it’s for cost purposes, how do those mixed potions maintain their cost effectiveness when including the additional (negated) effect necessarily lowers the duration of the positive effect(s) in the same potion, leading to more potions being used in the long run?

I may be missing something, but I’m at a total loss as to how Snakeblood is worth the points.

SeaWoodStage

I'd definitely prefer an alchemy hireling over snakeblood. I'm not going to be using any potions that come with negs until I get to endgame anyway, and possibly not even then.

Plus, I love reading my hirelings' progressing stories every day, and an alchemy one could be really fun. "Today I decimated a camp of goblins, and while searching through the blood and dust afterwards, came across a chest containing gold, rare jewels, and three blessed thistle. I will keep the gold and jewels by me to fund my future adventures, but the blessed thistle is enclosed."

Aurie

Derra wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Could you give an example of a potion that would need the snakeblood passive?

There are masses of potions which need Snakeblood, so just look through them:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/potions

But the ones I use most are spell power/spell crit potions that don't require Cornflower. Without Snakeblood it decreases Spell Resistance.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Just make the shadowy supplier send you mail instead of havig to get to her

Derra

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Could you give an example of a potion that would need the snakeblood passive?

There are masses of potions which need Snakeblood, so just look through them:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/potions

But the ones I use most are spell power/spell crit potions that don't require Cornflower. Without Snakeblood it decreases Spell Resistance.

But isn´t that somewhat faulty logic?

A spellpower/crit potion does not need snakeblood to be achieveable.

Maybe i should have been more precise - are there potions that need snakeblood because you can´t create the effect combinations otherwise (the need implicated this for me)?
From my perspective just wanting to use other ingredients for the same effect to save 200g isn´t really a valid point that would outweight the benefits.

idk

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

While this would be appreciated, I doubt it will happen. Not the first time either had been asked for.

Pretty much this. Zos seems content leaving it has it is. We already have an alchemy helper via the Shadowy Supplier. Also, do not hold your breath on a JC hireling either. If you listened to what Zos has had to say on the matter it would be obvious just asking for one will have no affect.

MaleAmazon

Well, jewelry crafting is their (current) 'elite crafting' for people who care about maxing out stats. So it was pretty much deliberate to keep hirelings out to prevent people from using a boatload of alts to farm materials. ZOS made a conscious choice not to let you decon old jewelry, too.

I hope they´ll do a crafting overhaul at some point, or add in more useful 9-trait sets. At that point, would be nice to have a new 'craftsman' skilline, and put in a jewelry materials hireling there.

But in the end it is about power creep. Right now, the only things that are even scarce for woodworking / clothing / blacksmith are the gold tempers. And even then, it is more of a nuisance than a real problem. Jewelry, it is an actual hurdle.

In my dreams, ZOS overhauls the CP system and starts it increasing with DLC again, they add in a veteran overland mode, and they put in things like unique tempers you have to work for, that give more special boosts to your weapon than 'moar stats'.

But... they will probably just release more crown store content and 4-man dungeons.

Ah well, it is sunny outside

Olupajmibanan

Shadowy Supplier is nice for getting daily Alchemy ingredients. But you can get only 9 specific ingredients and expensive ones like Corn Flower or Lady Smock aren't among them.

redlink1979

We need to cry more. And louder.

Austinseph1

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

No. Snakeblood allows many good potions to be used without the negative effects which would cause us to bypass them.

Mats for alchemy are easily gathered while traveling round Tamriel. Hirelings would be QOL but not as important as Snakeblood.

Hirelings for Jewelry Crafting? YES, it's a no-brainer.

Could you give an example of a potion that would need the snakeblood passive?

There are masses of potions which need Snakeblood, so just look through them:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/potions

But the ones I use most are spell power/spell crit potions that don't require Cornflower. Without Snakeblood it decreases Spell Resistance.

So the use of snakeblood is to... save 200 gold for a wasted benefit slot and lack of sustain... I wouldn’t waste the time of day on making a mag pot that didn’t have the Magicka return benefit. Definitely way more useful things they could use the passive slot for. Given that pretty much every class has either major sorcery or prophecy built into it somehow it’s still a loss of product in some way.

MinuitPro

1. Remains-Silent, The Bequeather that appears with the Shadowy Supplier passive provides way more than just alchemy ingredients. So don't go removing it, when I can get a random drop of furnishing items too.
2. It's evident they will never make Jewelry crafting easier as proven with the non-destructible jewelry, grains vs platings (the only craft to require such an x10 extra grind) so hirelings are out.
3. I don't believe they want a hireling for Alchemy either being that potions are supposed to add such an aid to your gameplay - it would perform too much flood to the market.
4. My vote is to make your hirelings have a Level 4 which will grab their respective surveys in your bank and go get the materials and include them in your mail.

notyuu

jewl hireling - yes
alchemy hireling - yes

snakeblood = hireling - NO

instead rework snakeblood to increase the proc chance &/or duration of poisons you make