The art of ganking now extinct

Shadowasrial

Unless you are targeting a pve scrub in pvp any attempts to gank are now virtually impossible. The days where a solo pvp assassin could effectively harass a group are over. Single target burst is impractical as most players running around with 35k+ health and near capped resistance. Anyone else miss the days you could melt unsuspecting targets?

Jolipinator

No.

Saucy_Jack

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Anyone else miss the days you could melt unsuspecting targets?

As someone who was generally an unsuspecting target, no.

FearlessOne_2014

These is the result of months of GankBlade META. Make players go more tanky to survive and get a chance to counter gankers.

Instead of players relying on self for damage and being gankable. They decided to go full tank mode solely relying on strength in numbers to damage other players.

Ganking is only fun for the ganker because they victim don't get to fight back.

My advice to you, is to get gud at fighting harden targets. Or do what the streamers do and group up with like minded players and perform coordinated group ganking or group v zerg combat.

The_Old_Goat

2 button builds should go the way of the dodo birds.

lusshtgarel

Thank the divines if it is. There is nothing artistic in cloaking all the time and cowardly attacking unsuspecting PvE newbs from stealth fleeing immediately if one comes up against at least a moderately competent PvP player.

Also, nothing better than seeing an aspiring ganker's backside being courteously handed to them.

Kagukan

I still see people getting stunned and killed before they have a chance to react.

FearlessOne_2014

Kagukan wrote: »

I still see people getting stunned and killed before they have a chance to react.

More than likely a GankBlade with a Onslaught build.

VaranisArano

I can't decide if this is a serious thread or a sarcastic one.

I mean, it seems like an obvious tactic in Cyrodiil: if you don't want to die to gankers or anyone else, build tanky. Presumably, most players don't want to die, so the higher damage gets, the tankier players get in response.

Ganking has always largely been about picking the isolated, weaker target and bursting them down. Are you really surprised that more experienced PVPers are building tankier with the changes to the game, their desire to not be ganked, and the necessity of surviving in high lag situations? Are you really surprised to see less and less low-health build PVPers running around for you to target?

Intentionally or not, this comes off as a sad "Woe is me, I can't solo kill anyone who's not a newbie anymore" complaint.

Shadowasrial

Don’t get it twisted I have adapted and joined the heavy armor army I just miss when it didn’t take a group to take out one player

Shadowasrial

VaranisArano wrote: »

Intentionally or not, this comes off as a sad "Woe is me, I can't solo kill anyone who's not a newbie anymore" complaint.

What I’m saying is I miss not being forced to be in a large group to accomplish anything

hakan

what do you mean it was a ganking meta. people were complaining about heavy meta. how is that possible?

Plus with new fear and onslaught i dont think it is over. i still gank as usual and have usual results. sometimes it works sometimes not.

people who vilify a playstyle are an interesting bunch tho. or dumb?

El_Borracho

hakan wrote: »

what do you mean it was a ganking meta. people were complaining about heavy meta. how is that possible?

Plus with new fear and onslaught i dont think it is over. i still gank as usual and have usual results. sometimes it works sometimes not.

people who vilify a playstyle are an interesting bunch tho. or dumb?

Its PVP. Its only fun when there is a semblance of balance. And ganking is fun. But getting caught ganking is part of the game, too. Sounds like you have the right attitude.

I don't vilify a play style. I vilify those who think their play style is the one true play style and others must conform to it and that any attempts to counter or make their style less effective are crimes against humanity.

Welkynar

I made a gankblade because I got tired of getting ganked and then now it’s useless

idk

I doubt ganking is dead though it is probably the second lowest skill means to kill players in Cyrodiil. Large zergs being the lowest skill. I doubt OP would disagree since they do state missing killing unsuspecting targets.

VaranisArano

Shadowasrial wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Intentionally or not, this comes off as a sad "Woe is me, I can't solo kill anyone who's not a newbie anymore" complaint.

What I’m saying is I miss not being forced to be in a large group to accomplish anything

I'm still struggling to tell how to interpret this.

Cause what I'm hearing is "I can't gank anymore because I can't find weak targets, and I can't fight tanky players without a large group to back me up. Conclusion: this is bad and the tank meta sucks..."

And I'm left thinking, "Are you absolutely sure this isn't a Learn 2 Play issue on your part?"

I mean, the tank meta is nothing new. Players have been complaining for a while now. Plus, I still see solo players and small groups being about as effective as I'd expect in Cyrodiil (read: great against disorganized groups, poorly against organized groups).

So I guess I'm lacking context for whether or not this "extinction of ganking" is true for most gankers or whether it just got harder for you.

goldenarcher1

No-CP ganking is still a thing.

If you want to go CP PvP then be prepared to slot heavy armour and max.resists then run around a rock for ten minutes.

generalmyrick

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

These is the result of months of GankBlade META. Make players go more tanky to survive and get a chance to counter gankers.

Instead of players relying on self for damage and being gankable. They decided to go full tank mode solely relying on strength in numbers to damage other players.

Ganking is only fun for the ganker because they victim don't get to fight back.

My advice to you, is to get gud at fighting harden targets. Or do what the streamers do and group up with like minded players and perform coordinated group ganking or group v zerg combat.

nobody has a chance at group gankers.

this is why i think i don't see them very much because

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> group gankers get bored easily.

yeah? ;-)

goldenflameslinger

I tried to resurrect my gankblade (bow-based) a couple weeks ago but it just wasn’t the same. That toon will be getting a respec while it’s free this week!

Royalthought

+1 For ganking.

It amazes me when people roll in a million man March, over extend, get killed and complain because they got killed before they could rejoin the zerg.

Gank builds are balanced due to them being able to kill quickly but also being killed just as quick.

Keep in mind I'm talking about ganking stragglers in a zerg. Not killing a solo player afk on a horse.

EmEm_Oh

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Unless you are targeting a pve scrub in pvp any attempts to gank are now virtually impossible. The days where a solo pvp assassin could effectively harass a group are over. Single target burst is impractical as most players running around with 35k+ health and near capped resistance. Anyone else miss the days you could melt unsuspecting targets?

I have noticed more Magplar heals out of seemingly impossible DoT stacks from my Stamblade and Sorc.

I wouldn't say a majority of the time. Depends on which guild is on and faction emp.

D0PAMINE

I don't recall ever getting ganked, like one shotted.

zaria

Shadowasrial wrote: »

SirPilky wrote: »

Yeah it sucks to have to actually learn something to be competent in PvP now eh? Boohoo.

Explain how Zerg mentality means your learning anything

Quantity is an quality in its own.
The idea that one guy can take out an platoon only work in two settings, the modern one there the guy call in fire from an battleship, massed artillery, heavy bombers with PGM or similar.
Or the enemy morale and skill is very low and you hit during the night and are extremely skillful and extremely lucky.
Later happens, yes it far more than required to get an medal of honor or an Victorian cross but its happens.

I once was the last man standing on one of the few keeps AD had left in one campaign, DC and EP was fighting inside the keep and the guy running repaired the gate on the way out. As I was the only AD doing non discriminating fire support while getting ignored I got an high number of solo kills and hold keep alone for an long time.
Highers AP I got in any campaign, luck counts.

aLi3nZ

When are they going to reduce the 60% nerf they did on Proxydet?

Even a mageblade with 5500 self buffed spell damage and 40k magika can barely make any impact to a group anymore.

Pretty sure zos didn't want big zergs and they introduced counters for a reason.

Vicious Death + Proxy det etc....Then they nerfed these because people whined.

darkblue5

The thing that's really reducing the numbers on gankers is that

1. Normal NB builds are in a viable spot solo
2. If you're not a zerger or a ball group member the max range DOT rotations will mess up your max resist metal buttocks
3. Lots of max range DOT builds running squishy
4. With fewer tanks you have to less rely on ganks to get kills and can get to the real PVP NB endgame
5. Getting chased by 5+ people for killing someone while slotting Shadowy Disguise

The correlation is much more tanky meta = normal NB builds being non-viable. Those former normal NBs go to ganking as hard as possible, e.g. Onslaught ganks and slotting Twice-born with lover.
DOT meta = normal NB builds being more viable so all the gankers swap back to regular builds.
If you're going to be spending most of your time getting chased by sweaty bois chugging detect pots and AOEs you might as well get a kill first at least. Now getting that kill on a standard NB build is pretty feasible again.

Hazurko_RaShan

Phew, what a relief! Thanks for that great news!

Metemsycosis

As a serial ganker and long time victim of ganks i find ganking hilarious. Skilled? Maybe not. But as time goes on some gankers remain at large where most have disappeared. Maybe more skill involved than we would like to admit....

StormeReigns

As much as I do dislike ganking. It is an "art" form; so to speak.

It is one part of the two sides of the same coin. Those who can, do. And those who can't, are ganked.

The art of it lies within those who claim Ganking is bad...
Those who can't, often, vast majority of the time - speak out against ganking. Believing they are righteous, honorable, and truthful. Despite they often are the ones lying, and practice ganking every ample opportunity they can get - and will deny their very actions to their irl dying breathe cause they are a harden forum champion and must keep appearances for their cult to continue to phish stars and +1s for them.

Long as there is fodder, there will always be ganking, like it or not.

AFK / Alone =Attacked.
Straggling behind = Attacked.
Near Death = Attacked.
Fighting a large group of Mobs = Attacked.
Shard Hunting = Attacked.
Rez'ing ally = Attacked.
Lowest health in a zerg = Exploded with Curse and Inev. Detonation.
Doing anything while in a PvP zone = Attacked.

VaranisArano

SkerKro wrote: »

As much as I do dislike ganking. It is an "art" form; so to speak.

It is one part of the two sides of the same coin. Those who can, do. And those who can't, are ganked.

The art of it lies within those who claim Ganking is bad...
Those who can't, often, vast majority of the time - speak out against ganking. Believing they are righteous, honorable, and truthful. Despite they often are the ones lying, and practice ganking every ample opportunity they can get - and will deny their very actions to their irl dying breathe cause they are a harden forum champion and must keep appearances for their cult to continue to phish stars and +1s for them.

Long as there is fodder, there will always be ganking, like it or not.

AFK / Alone =Attacked.
Straggling behind = Attacked.
Near Death = Attacked.
Fighting a large group of Mobs = Attacked.
Shard Hunting = Attacked.
Rez'ing ally = Attacked.
Lowest health in a zerg = Exploded with Curse and Inev. Detonation.
Doing anything while in a PvP zone = Attacked.

Personally I suspect most of the ones speaking out against gankers are the players who really, really don't enjoy being ganked, but who also don't want to put in the time and effort to build to resist gankers or learn to fight back against them. Or who think its hopeless for them to do so.

As for myself, even when I was a PVE-only player who was only in Cyrodiil for the fish, I accepted that I was queuing up for a PVP-enabled zone and accepted that getting killed by enemy players and gankers was all part of the territory. Getting better at handling gankers took lots of practice. I died a lot, and that's okay!

So while I understand the frustration of an inexperienced player dealing with a seemingly unbeatable ganker...the answer there is either:
A. Get more experienced, accepting that PVP has a steep learning curve but you will get better with practice
B. Accept that if you don't want to get more experienced, you will continue to die, and that's okay.

Unfortunately, some players go for option C. Complain about the ganker, even though they are playing exactly as intended by killing you in a PVP-enabled zone.

And your list...100% correct. Sometimes you won't be attacked, but yeah, I've been attacked in all those situations. And that's okay! That's playing as intended!

Jeremy

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Unless you are targeting a pve scrub in pvp any attempts to gank are now virtually impossible. The days where a solo pvp assassin could effectively harass a group are over. Single target burst is impractical as most players running around with 35k+ health and near capped resistance. Anyone else miss the days you could melt unsuspecting targets?

Good.

If anything needed to go extinct it was that.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Ganking is still possible I just changed burst to three DoTs and an execute if you need it most of the time you will not need to execute.