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MORROWIND IRL. THE REVELATION. List of the 30 Resemblances.
Aigym_Hlervu
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A very long text, guys. Sorry. For many years we tried to understand what country IRL a certain Tamriel state is based on. Morrowind appeared to be a hard nut to crack - some single similarities were found here and there, but no whole picture revealed at all. Finally I guess I've found it. There's a good article here which bares some similarities between Morrowind and Israel. Well, that's a good one, indeed. But having refreshed my knowledge of modern states, I suppose I've found the one existed not so long time ago but shared way more similarities with Morrowind than any other state including those regarding Israel. Anyway this is not a talk on policy or an attempt to prove something but to point at a coincedence only. And to count those similarities. Yes, Morrowind IRL does not exist anymore, it's been a history for quite a while, so, please, keep in mind, these similarities are based on that historical country IRL - neither its modern successor nor it's historical predecessors. Basically. They all seem to be so much different.
Ok, facts only! I'll give a certain wiki sources so you can check it all yourself and correct me if I'm wrong at some point - I've spent really much time gathering the information. Thank you all in advance and have a good day!
So what country Morrowind is based on IRL? Holy <bad word>.. that's impossible..
1. Both countries each were created by a scientist who showed a new model of statecraft, a hairless politician who wrote dozens of volumes of his collected works and a beloved and careful but also ruthless folk leader. Sotha Sil, Vivec (and his 36 Lessons), Almalexia..
2. Both countries suffered an epic Civil war that split the entire nation in two major factions and their allies. A Civil War between Chimer and Dwemer.. Both Civil wars resulted in a complete vanish of one of the two main opposing parties and no place for it to exist in the newly created state.
3. The Ruling King of Morrowind was overthrown and murdered just like the one IRL. Their deaths both were terrible and they both were eventually proclaimed saints.
4. Both states changed their names, ideologies and even peoples' archetypes. Resdayn became Morrowind, Chimer began to worship the Tribunal and turned into Dunmer.
5. Both states once fought a war against a Nordic tempered folk. They lost much of their land first but finally reclaimed everything and won the war. Both countries were very proud of it. Those victories gave both countries a superpower status in their respective worlds years after.
6. Both countries entered a military Pact with the Eastern part of their former enemy. Another, Ebonheart Pact.
7. Both countries were the first or even the single states of their kind in their respective universes, governed by a Grand Council (or the Supreme Council IRL) formed by lesser councils.
8. Both countries had a certain political organisation (the Tribunal Temple) that guided all the policy and had a monopoly on ideology.
9. The ideology of both countries was based on just the same mottos of serving to poor and weak, just the same way both ideologies stimulated collectivism, humility, daring, generosity, courtesy, justice, valor and pride.
10. Both states had a Ministry of Truth. Well, the state IRL also had a general state newspaper called "The Truth".
11. Both countries have it's own "Mother Morrowind". The only difference is in the name of the country.
12. From Argonia to the Breton seas the Redoran Army always wins! The Redoran Army of both states was the main armed force to support the governing body.
13. Both countries had Dissident priests who disagreed exactly on the same matter of ideology. In both countries those Dissident priests' ideology eventually won the argument still giving a credit to those they had opposed.
14. Those hairless politicians.. They both resided in a private pyramid-like building. Well, the Palace of Vivec is way bigger though..
15. Both countries proved themselves to be military invincible and unconquerable but both were eventually defeated peacefully without a single shot as a result of certain political decisions of their leaders.
16. Both countries suffered almost the most severe losses of their history after the fall of their governments. The aftermath was almost equal too - both states assimilated into Western legal systems and economy.
17. The old ideology of both states was considered to be the Anticipation of the new one. Both countries eventually turned back to the ideology they had right before the Civil war.
18. The Camonna Tong and these guys IRL shared just the same business interests and methods.. Both organisations had some foreign affairs abroad especially among their expat community which resided in an eastern city of a lead Western state.
19. The Ghostfence. Yeah, that enormous wall surrounding Red Mountain Dunmer incorporated the bones of their ancestors into. And there is just the same wall IRL..
20. The Six Great Houses (yes, including the successor of the fallen one existed by the late Third Era) along numerous lesser ones.. The Six Parties IRL (yes, including the successor of the fallen one existed by the beginning of the Third Millenium) along numerous lesser ones..
21. Nomadic Ashlander tribes wandering the wastes of far reaches - they don't accept the life style and all that ideology of their kin, they live their own lives. Yeah, here is one of those numerous tribes IRL. Yurts, guars, harsh environment.. There are many more of them actually. And yes, the Khan title was also very common to the Morrowind's IRL counterpart's history during its certain period.
22. Both countries had two capitals - a Northern one (like Vivec City) on a seashore named after those bald politicians I've mentioned above and an old Southern one (Mournhold).
23. Almalexia and her male counterpart IRL both had a city named after them. Both cities were renamed after the leaders died.
24. Dagoth Vemyn resided at Vemynal, Dagoth Odros resided at Odrosal, Dagoth Endus resided at Endusal, Dagoth Ur resided in the middle of the map at Ur..?.. Too obvious to make it, Mr. Kirkbride
? Another coincedence: these are both the possible places of death of those two kings I mentioned in the 3rd article above. MK's genius.
25. Both countries had a Molag Amur region.
26. The major part of both countries environment was really hard to live in.
27. Baar Dau. Well, this is a pure coincedence. Michael Kirkbride is a prophet otherwise. Baar Dau is known to be the only visible meteor in the game and the only falling meteor we ever see there. It crashed causing damage after the fall of the Triune religion into a city located to the South of the Dagoth-Ur crater. This is the only Baar Dau IRL (their sizes are also similar) I'm aware of which inflicted real damage to a certain city located in the southern "Dagoth-Ur" region after the fall of the Triune religion (vide supra points 8 and 24).
28. Patriarch is the highest rank of the Tribunal Temple. One faith - two equal Patriarchs (e.g. Tholer Saryoni for Vivec City and Gavas Drin for Mournhold). There are two separations there - the Old Believers and the True ones. The religion itself was established after the Great Schism. Patriarch IRL is also the highest rank of the Church IRL. One faith
- two equal Patriarchs. There are two separations there - the Old Believers and the True ones. The religion itself was established after the Great Schism.
29. The year of 1E 700 is the crucial year of Morrowind history. The events of that year paved the way for the formation of a completely new Morrowind, which would last 3 thousand odd years. The year of 1700 IRL is the crucial year of Morrowind IRL history. The events of that year paved the way for the formation of real life Morrowind modern appearance and started a certain monarchy period which would last 3 hundred odd years.
30. Razum-dar turns out to be not just a name but a transliterated Russian proposition meaning "Mind is a gift". But only Shashev appears to be the only NPC to have a name of an undoubtly certain origin. Shashev is a Dunmer.
Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on September 2, 2019 5:31PM Ok, facts only! I'll give a certain wiki sources so you can check it all yourself and correct me if I'm wrong at some point - I've spent really much time gathering the information. Thank you all in advance and have a good day!
So what country Morrowind is based on IRL? Holy <bad word>.. that's impossible..
1. Both countries each were created by a scientist who showed a new model of statecraft, a hairless politician who wrote dozens of volumes of his collected works and a beloved and careful but also ruthless folk leader. Sotha Sil, Vivec (and his 36 Lessons), Almalexia..
2. Both countries suffered an epic Civil war that split the entire nation in two major factions and their allies. A Civil War between Chimer and Dwemer.. Both Civil wars resulted in a complete vanish of one of the two main opposing parties and no place for it to exist in the newly created state.
3. The Ruling King of Morrowind was overthrown and murdered just like the one IRL. Their deaths both were terrible and they both were eventually proclaimed saints.
4. Both states changed their names, ideologies and even peoples' archetypes. Resdayn became Morrowind, Chimer began to worship the Tribunal and turned into Dunmer.
5. Both states once fought a war against a Nordic tempered folk. They lost much of their land first but finally reclaimed everything and won the war. Both countries were very proud of it. Those victories gave both countries a superpower status in their respective worlds years after.
6. Both countries entered a military Pact with the Eastern part of their former enemy. Another, Ebonheart Pact.
7. Both countries were the first or even the single states of their kind in their respective universes, governed by a Grand Council (or the Supreme Council IRL) formed by lesser councils.
8. Both countries had a certain political organisation (the Tribunal Temple) that guided all the policy and had a monopoly on ideology.
9. The ideology of both countries was based on just the same mottos of serving to poor and weak, just the same way both ideologies stimulated collectivism, humility, daring, generosity, courtesy, justice, valor and pride.
10. Both states had a Ministry of Truth. Well, the state IRL also had a general state newspaper called "The Truth".
11. Both countries have it's own "Mother Morrowind". The only difference is in the name of the country.
12. From Argonia to the Breton seas the Redoran Army always wins! The Redoran Army of both states was the main armed force to support the governing body.
13. Both countries had Dissident priests who disagreed exactly on the same matter of ideology. In both countries those Dissident priests' ideology eventually won the argument still giving a credit to those they had opposed.
14. Those hairless politicians.. They both resided in a private pyramid-like building. Well, the Palace of Vivec is way bigger though..
15. Both countries proved themselves to be military invincible and unconquerable but both were eventually defeated peacefully without a single shot as a result of certain political decisions of their leaders.
16. Both countries suffered almost the most severe losses of their history after the fall of their governments. The aftermath was almost equal too - both states assimilated into Western legal systems and economy.
17. The old ideology of both states was considered to be the Anticipation of the new one. Both countries eventually turned back to the ideology they had right before the Civil war.
18. The Camonna Tong and these guys IRL shared just the same business interests and methods.. Both organisations had some foreign affairs abroad especially among their expat community which resided in an eastern city of a lead Western state.
19. The Ghostfence. Yeah, that enormous wall surrounding Red Mountain Dunmer incorporated the bones of their ancestors into. And there is just the same wall IRL..
20. The Six Great Houses (yes, including the successor of the fallen one existed by the late Third Era) along numerous lesser ones.. The Six Parties IRL (yes, including the successor of the fallen one existed by the beginning of the Third Millenium) along numerous lesser ones..
21. Nomadic Ashlander tribes wandering the wastes of far reaches - they don't accept the life style and all that ideology of their kin, they live their own lives. Yeah, here is one of those numerous tribes IRL. Yurts, guars, harsh environment.. There are many more of them actually. And yes, the Khan title was also very common to the Morrowind's IRL counterpart's history during its certain period.
22. Both countries had two capitals - a Northern one (like Vivec City) on a seashore named after those bald politicians I've mentioned above and an old Southern one (Mournhold).
23. Almalexia and her male counterpart IRL both had a city named after them. Both cities were renamed after the leaders died.
24. Dagoth Vemyn resided at Vemynal, Dagoth Odros resided at Odrosal, Dagoth Endus resided at Endusal, Dagoth Ur resided in the middle of the map at Ur..?.. Too obvious to make it, Mr. Kirkbride
? Another coincedence: these are both the possible places of death of those two kings I mentioned in the 3rd article above. MK's genius.25. Both countries had a Molag Amur region.
26. The major part of both countries environment was really hard to live in.
27. Baar Dau. Well, this is a pure coincedence. Michael Kirkbride is a prophet otherwise. Baar Dau is known to be the only visible meteor in the game and the only falling meteor we ever see there. It crashed causing damage after the fall of the Triune religion into a city located to the South of the Dagoth-Ur crater. This is the only Baar Dau IRL (their sizes are also similar) I'm aware of which inflicted real damage to a certain city located in the southern "Dagoth-Ur" region after the fall of the Triune religion (vide supra points 8 and 24).
28. Patriarch is the highest rank of the Tribunal Temple. One faith - two equal Patriarchs (e.g. Tholer Saryoni for Vivec City and Gavas Drin for Mournhold). There are two separations there - the Old Believers and the True ones. The religion itself was established after the Great Schism. Patriarch IRL is also the highest rank of the Church IRL. One faith
- two equal Patriarchs. There are two separations there - the Old Believers and the True ones. The religion itself was established after the Great Schism.
29. The year of 1E 700 is the crucial year of Morrowind history. The events of that year paved the way for the formation of a completely new Morrowind, which would last 3 thousand odd years. The year of 1700 IRL is the crucial year of Morrowind IRL history. The events of that year paved the way for the formation of real life Morrowind modern appearance and started a certain monarchy period which would last 3 hundred odd years.
30. Razum-dar turns out to be not just a name but a transliterated Russian proposition meaning "Mind is a gift". But only Shashev appears to be the only NPC to have a name of an undoubtly certain origin. Shashev is a Dunmer.
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✭✭✭✭✭Militant Ordinator wants to know your location comrade.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Point 11.
Mother Morrowind refers to Almalexia. Mother Russia refers to Russia.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So... Are you telling me their 🌋 is a ⚛ 🏭?
Red Mountain = Chernobyl is an interesting take.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Plus the Numidium caused a time break for the Dwemer under Red Mountain, while similar time breaks in this country were caused by a different machine.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2 -
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✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Plus the Numidium caused a time break for the Dwemer under Red Mountain, while similar time breaks in this country were caused by a different machine.
Wrong game, but i like your style. comradeEdited by WeerW3ir on August 29, 2019 1:16PM0 -
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Great show! I don't care that it was based in Russia but they all spoke English. That scene where he is shaking their hands before they basically cut their lives in half due to the mission and all the radiation....gives me chills!0 -
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✭✭✭Every time I see comonna Tong I hear in my head.. "Commona Tong i'll take you to... the lullabye... (I tend to insert silly words here)"0 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Hey, guys! I've added some new points to the list up there (27-30) regarding Baar Dau, the Tribunal religion, the year of 1E 700, Shashev and Razum-dar (though "this one" is not a cue to anything). I guess I might spend some time making the same list for some other provinces of Tamriel. They are quite obvious though.. Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on August 29, 2019 10:46PM1
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Ankaridan✭✭✭Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »For many years we tried to understand what country IRL a certain Tamriel state is based on.
But... why? Can you not accept that a fictional world is fictional?
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Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »For many years we tried to understand what country IRL a certain Tamriel state is based on.
But... why? Can you not accept that a fictional world is fictional?
I do accept it, @Ankaridan. You have to read that text further on - I've put it in bold there to make it clear to everyone at the very beginning. You just have to read it further. Thank you! 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »For many years we tried to understand what country IRL a certain Tamriel state is based on.
But... why? Can you not accept that a fictional world is fictional?
Probably something to do with the Nords being heavily inspired by Vikings and Norse cultures, Imperials basically being Rome/Byzantium, and so on.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »
I was responding to someone who used emojis to convey that theory, I didn’t say it was correct I said it was “interesting”. The same way Becky’s potato salad is “interesting” when she brings it to the bbq.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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✭Well, what about the native Dunmer thinking it's OK to have Khajit and Argonians for shall we say servants? Surprised this wasn't mentioned.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Well, what about the native Dunmer thinking it's OK to have Khajit and Argonians for shall we say servants? Surprised this wasn't mentioned.
A very good question, @Davor! I've also asked it myself while forming that similarities list. But since the list points at the facts only, I must admit the views on slavery turn out to be the only one direct and crucial general difference between Morrowind and Soviet Russia cultures with the first country to apply and protect it as it's ancient right and the latter one to directly oppose it. This is why I have not mentioned it in the List of the 30 Resemblances
. Humph.. I'll rename the thread 
. I wonder the matter of slavery is captured so vividly in the lore of the game while MK could just leave it untouched the way he did it with some other races of Tamriel. Anyway the issue alone helped to conceal all those 30 features for sure so nobody could ever guess.
Slavery is considered to be a part of private property to own people. This is the main idea Soviet Russia opposed - they opposed any kind of exploitation of man by man thus banning private property entirely and bringing common ownership ("socialist property" as their legal system called it) and personal property instead (don't be confused with this designation - soviet personal property meaning stands out from the British one way too far). The matter of ownership is one of the main sources of all legal, economic and cultural difference be it Tamriel or real world. It was the source of both countries' rise and decline. Thus the crucial feature that differs Tribunal Morrowind from Soviet Russia is the view on private property and thus slavery. It all made the both states so unique in their respected universes - the feature they also share through such a diversity.Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on August 30, 2019 10:26AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I always thought that dunmers are some mix of Russian and Indian. I mean Silt Striders are like elephants and Houses a little bit like castes, while that dunmer well-known "frown" is clearly Russian type of character, as well as variety of drinks and complex hierarchy.1 -
Fvh09NL✭✭✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »
Although you are not wrong, Ukraine was part of Soviet Russia. Furthermore, sometime (years) after the disaster the Soviet Union fell apart, which sort of corresponds with Morrowind.
However, I do not think provinces of Tamriel really reflect real-life countries, rather a mix of different existing cultures, landscapes and fantasy.1 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭So, about the giant mushrooms........
Well, it turns out to be another resemblance. Here are some articles regarding mushrooms: the first ,
the second and the third. 2 -
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✭Morrowind is infinitely better than any commie garbage.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hold! SPEAK to me before you enter Mournhold comrade.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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✭✭Morrowind is infinitely better than any commie garbage.
No joke.
However, the description of Karl Marx as a scientist is. His doctorate was in philosophy: his thesis was on the moral superiority of secular philosophy to theology (a topic certain to be accepted by a bunch of secular philosophers). He was also one who never let a fact stand in the way of his arguments, and if needed (as it often was) he would create 'facts' out of his own imagination.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.1 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Morrowind is infinitely better than any commie garbage.
Man, please! I've asked not to make it political up the there in the very first post. You go to China and explain them how bad their socialism is and what garbage their country is. They are the worlds second economical superpower by the way. Just like Soviet Russia once was. Anyway it is all an endless talk of pointing out all the pros and cons of the two IRL economical and political systems. If only you are not trying to slander. This is not the time and definitively not the place for a political talk in spite of a hero's presence. So, no event. Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on September 19, 2019 6:57AM3 -
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✭Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »Morrowind is infinitely better than any commie garbage.
Man, please! I've asked not to make it political up the there in the very first post. You go to China and explain them how bad their socialism is and what garbage their country is. They are the worlds second economical superpower by the way. Just like Soviet Russia once was. Anyway it is all an endless talk of pointing out all the pros and cons of the two IRL economical and political systems. If only you are not trying to slander. This is not the time and definitively not the place for a political talk in spite of a hero's presence. So, no event.
You probably wouldn't get a truthful answer from anyone you spoke to due to their fear of losing their social credit score.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭on slavery.
before soviet russia was soviet, part of the Tzarist Russia was indentured servitude. you know... kinda like that quest in Morrowind where you can help an argonian to work it off and actualy join house Telvani is some capacity... unlike slavery in theory indentured servants, or krepostniye could, in theory, eventualy get out of the serfdom, and you could become a serf through financial hardship etc. in practice, well... it was slavery that was eventually abolished by Tzar Alexander II . and of course not everyone was happy about it, and didn't necessarily adhere to the laws, but... it WAS abolished at one point, kinda like in mainland Morrowind. (that it comes back 800 years later is a different story :P )
aaaanyways. I'm kinda enjoying all the similarities, no matter how loose. WE do know that a lot of the lore was inspired by real life locations and cultures, so who knows about this :P
P.S. going out to gather and then cooking wild mushrooms is a time honored and popular fall pastime in Russia and surrounding countries that used to be part of soviet union at one point.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***2 -
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Does that make Uranium the Heart of Lorkhan?
Is Trinimac the original fission reactor? And Malacath nuclear waste?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.3
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