Mag or Stam necro in Scalebreaker.

Ariades_swe

What do you necro pros find strongest between Stam or MagNecro in smallscale/solo cp pvp in Scalebreaker?
I'm on console so no Scalebreaker yet.

Vapirko

I’m no necro expert at all but from what I’ve been told you’ll want to go mag necro, especially for small scale. Stam necros seem to be nothing but a disappointment. I’ve never had any trouble dealing with one 1v1 or otherwise.

Sharee

Vapirko wrote: »

I’m no necro expert at all but from what I’ve been told you’ll want to go mag necro, especially for small scale. Stam necros seem to be nothing but a disappointment. I’ve never had any trouble dealing with one 1v1 or otherwise.

You had trouble with mag ones?

Vapirko

Sharee wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

I’m no necro expert at all but from what I’ve been told you’ll want to go mag necro, especially for small scale. Stam necros seem to be nothing but a disappointment. I’ve never had any trouble dealing with one 1v1 or otherwise.

You had trouble with mag ones?

More than stam, and they’re quite an asset in small groups. Or big ones for that matter.

Insco851

Been working on a group magcro after I gave up on the stam version. I would say it’s MUCH better for groups so far.

You can probably 1vX on a stam if you spent enough time.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

I’ve seen stam necro be really effective in PVP, the major defile from is really good and the skeleton archer deals ridiculous amounts of damage.

Waffennacht

Both seem to be rather strong choices now.

Mag will use a few less class skills than stam offensively imo.

Mag would take advantage of the strong single target dots using bb and ult for burst damage

Stam really has the same thing going for it as it did before.

Personally, for being in a good group I can see the mag version being preferred; while more independent would be stam

NekoN3ko

Necro is a 1 trick pony - Disappointing class.

Iskiab

You know I’m starting to think everyone still hasn’t optimized Necros.

When I did mine I missed it, but Necro looks like the perfect hybrid class. When I get enough time I’m going to figure out how to do it, but they look like they’d be great at it.

NinchiTV

I have fun on magcro here is some clips of it (mind you this was a few weeks into elsweyr patch so its pretty weak, but still make it work.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6supqUwqxjY&list=PL7dtigfpZAoslZJeLGIs9c4TH6cALI[/url]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/ninchitv/video/78557934 this one is 17-0 in BGs

Really excited to play my necro this patch, its gotten some really nice buffs that finally make it competitive against meta set ups.

Sarousse

Iskiab wrote: »

You know I’m starting to think everyone still hasn’t optimized Necros.

When I did mine I missed it, but Necro looks like the perfect hybrid class. When I get enough time I’m going to figure out how to do it, but they look like they’d be great at it.

I am playing a hybrid Necromancer and having a blast.

Seventh Legion, Balorgh, Pelinal, 2h+dual.

The main use of the magicka part is for healing : the intensive mender heals for insane amounts and the instant heal + Armor buff is insane. I don't even slot vigor.

Skullstachio

Magicka Necromancers are by far a good option. Combine “Concentration”(4884 Spell penetration.) with “Dismember”(1500 Spell/Physical Penetration while a Grave Lord Ability is active.) and with a good team, you can reach the penetration hardcap no sweat at all.

wheem_ESO

Prior to Scalebreaker I'd say Magicka Necromancer was hot garbage in an offensive role, and Stamina was vastly superior. This patch, I'm not sure yet...Magicka Necromancer has more potential for team support/off-healing, while Stamina has access to a Major Defile (which is more rare than it used to be), and better raw offensive power. That'll be even more true if all the complaining about DOTs results in some nerfs to Entropy/Soul Trap/Destructive Reach, which Magicka Necromancer really needs in order to have meaningful offense. Stamina Necromancer has a much broader offensive toolkit available to it, and doesn't have to rely on DOTs.

technohic

I dont think I could count on the major defile on stamcro. I have to look at mine again but resource management on stamcro felt like a problem. Only thing it truly good at was dropping the colossus on people

Mojomonkeyman

Magicka necro is actually pretty good rn, not a templar (the most well-rounded class atm) but can certainly hold its own. Its important to keep in mind that the current necro performance is tied to and will stand and fall with future adjustments to non-class dots - class dmg is still too unreliable to be self-sufficient.

Insco851

Been running a group oriented magcro build. Fairly weak 1v1 against optimized builds but it’s devastating in an ult push.

Baphomet

Both are pretty good - I can stand toe-to-toe with most builds on mine.

The mag version is rather gimped versus builds with purge due to their reliance on DoTs, but that aside, they are competitive now.

The stam version has high mobility and allows you to pick your fights on your terms. Good both offensively and defensively.

However, both versions suffer from all the necro class bugs such as blastbones not leaping and mender not healing. When they work, they are great to play.

ChunkyCat

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Iskiab

Sarousse wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You know I’m starting to think everyone still hasn’t optimized Necros.

When I did mine I missed it, but Necro looks like the perfect hybrid class. When I get enough time I’m going to figure out how to do it, but they look like they’d be great at it.

I am playing a hybrid Necromancer and having a blast.

Seventh Legion, Balorgh, Pelinal, 2h+dual.

The main use of the magicka part is for healing : the intensive mender heals for insane amounts and the instant heal + Armor buff is insane. I don't even slot vigor.

This looks like a really solid setup. Have you tried DW masters for a buff in bleed damage? I’m not sure if the tethers would be buffed by it.

I do something similar with magblade, though I use pelinals + BTB, 2h plus fire, though I use some mag and some stam abilities so the extra magicka is great. 5m.

BaByDontHurtMe

Like everyone mentioned, magCRO for small scale groups. Only self synergy skill in game (harmony and VD waaah?) and if tempted you have access to jump on the dot train as well for pressure, with double dot poisons / root poison (the things we do to help out a clunky blast bones. 😞)

The healing ward and mutagen is really nice with whatever wraith you choose. Whether 10% less dmg to stack with steadfast or another defensive set OR more hp passive healing, both solid options. I ran annulment to EMP so I went with 10% dmg reduction but want to test and have heard healing wraith got buffed.

BUT the real strength of the class imo is having class heals and purge (really like resource returns over the 4 dot straight purge I know I know it’s dot meta but the resources can be clutch for 3vXing until potion is ready.) Which means you can go double destro, unless you were tempted to try out the new restro buffed skills mentioned above.

MagCRO is the easier push for EMP imo, anything between wall of elements and boneyard blastbones and soul dot into a perfectly timed ulti dump of Hulk Smash makes it rewarding to 1vX in towers, catwalks and other fatal funnels. If you’re comfortable with friends in small group, slot on VD and enjoy.

I’m too used to playing with dizzy because of stamDEN so I haven’t personally tried the following but my guildie ran a stamCRO with silver leash, armor buff that pulls and also Swarm Mother to pile everything in a bunch to just spin to win and makes my aoe spam easier, with 3rd player being magDK and their AOE toolkit. I don’t know if you’d be interested in a quirky build like that but he seem to be having fun with dual wield and S&B. It was Bone Pirate with Spring Loaded, 7th Legion in medium build and Swarm Mother if I remember correctly.

Waffennacht

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Classes that lacked access to a full kit finally having access happened

wheem_ESO

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Who is it? I haven't seen a lot of Magicka Necromancers other than myself in BGs, but could always use ideas. For instance, I'm not sure if going heavy on Max Magicka while not utilizing shields is really the way to go, but I hate wasting gold/transmutes trying out a bunch of different things that aren't better.

From my own point of view, it seems like my Magicka Necromancer's damage is fairly decent for the most part, as long as there aren't too many cleanses going around. I do wish I had a more reliable offensive ultimate, though. The Flesh Atronach can be really strong when people aren't able to immediately dodge out of it, but all too often I just get sadfaced when I drop it on a clump in a BG and get barely any damage ticks.

My Magicka Necromancer's scoreboard numbers generally don't look so hot, but I'm pretty sure that the Blastbones, Skeletal Mage, and Intensive Mender all count as "other" sources, and don't contribute to what you get on the BG scoreboard.

Waffennacht

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Who is it? I haven't seen a lot of Magicka Necromancers other than myself in BGs, but could always use ideas. For instance, I'm not sure if going heavy on Max Magicka while not utilizing shields is really the way to go, but I hate wasting gold/transmutes trying out a bunch of different things that aren't better.

From my own point of view, it seems like my Magicka Necromancer's damage is fairly decent for the most part, as long as there aren't too many cleanses going around. I do wish I had a more reliable offensive ultimate, though. The Flesh Atronach can be really strong when people aren't able to immediately dodge out of it, but all too often I just get sadfaced when I drop it on a clump in a BG and get barely any damage ticks.

My Magicka Necromancer's scoreboard numbers generally don't look so hot, but I'm pretty sure that the Blastbones, Skeletal Mage, and Intensive Mender all count as "other" sources, and don't contribute to what you get on the BG scoreboard.

As for the Atro, try placing it behind the opponent if they're not up against something (I'm that case a side they're siding walking.

Most players back up, they also won't see it placed and move into it.

My experience is in BGs but you'll get a lot of hits predicting where they'll move to

irstarkey57

Ariades_swe wrote: »

What do you necro pros find strongest between Stam or MagNecro in smallscale/solo cp pvp in Scalebreaker?
I'm on console so no Scalebreaker yet.

Magicka Templar. Delete all toons and run a magicka Templar. LoL

Revokus

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Who is it? I haven't seen a lot of Magicka Necromancers other than myself in BGs, but could always use ideas. For instance, I'm not sure if going heavy on Max Magicka while not utilizing shields is really the way to go, but I hate wasting gold/transmutes trying out a bunch of different things that aren't better.

From my own point of view, it seems like my Magicka Necromancer's damage is fairly decent for the most part, as long as there aren't too many cleanses going around. I do wish I had a more reliable offensive ultimate, though. The Flesh Atronach can be really strong when people aren't able to immediately dodge out of it, but all too often I just get sadfaced when I drop it on a clump in a BG and get barely any damage ticks.

My Magicka Necromancer's scoreboard numbers generally don't look so hot, but I'm pretty sure that the Blastbones, Skeletal Mage, and Intensive Mender all count as "other" sources, and don't contribute to what you get on the BG scoreboard.

Maybe it was me I just levelled my new magnecro on EP side in BG's

wheem_ESO

Revokus wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Who is it? I haven't seen a lot of Magicka Necromancers other than myself in BGs, but could always use ideas. For instance, I'm not sure if going heavy on Max Magicka while not utilizing shields is really the way to go, but I hate wasting gold/transmutes trying out a bunch of different things that aren't better.

From my own point of view, it seems like my Magicka Necromancer's damage is fairly decent for the most part, as long as there aren't too many cleanses going around. I do wish I had a more reliable offensive ultimate, though. The Flesh Atronach can be really strong when people aren't able to immediately dodge out of it, but all too often I just get sadfaced when I drop it on a clump in a BG and get barely any damage ticks.

My Magicka Necromancer's scoreboard numbers generally don't look so hot, but I'm pretty sure that the Blastbones, Skeletal Mage, and Intensive Mender all count as "other" sources, and don't contribute to what you get on the BG scoreboard.

Maybe it was me I just levelled my new magnecro on EP side in BG's

He said low MMR rather than low level, and if you did a lot of leveling in BGs you'll most likely have at least mid-range MMR.

Still, if you have "out of control" damage, feel free to share the method(s) of achieving it.

Revokus

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

There’s a mag Necro on fire in low MMR BGs, on PC NA. His damage output is out of control.

I don’t know when that happened.

Who is it? I haven't seen a lot of Magicka Necromancers other than myself in BGs, but could always use ideas. For instance, I'm not sure if going heavy on Max Magicka while not utilizing shields is really the way to go, but I hate wasting gold/transmutes trying out a bunch of different things that aren't better.

From my own point of view, it seems like my Magicka Necromancer's damage is fairly decent for the most part, as long as there aren't too many cleanses going around. I do wish I had a more reliable offensive ultimate, though. The Flesh Atronach can be really strong when people aren't able to immediately dodge out of it, but all too often I just get sadfaced when I drop it on a clump in a BG and get barely any damage ticks.

My Magicka Necromancer's scoreboard numbers generally don't look so hot, but I'm pretty sure that the Blastbones, Skeletal Mage, and Intensive Mender all count as "other" sources, and don't contribute to what you get on the BG scoreboard.

Maybe it was me I just levelled my new magnecro on EP side in BG's

He said low MMR rather than low level, and if you did a lot of leveling in BGs you'll most likely have at least mid-range MMR.

Still, if you have "out of control" damage, feel free to share the method(s) of achieving it.

My bad and sadly I don’t think anything magnecro is out of control compared to other classes

Diarf

For group (small, large, whatever) mag.
For solo/duo stam. BB defile, big dmg from Dizzy, nice dmg reduction, healing but in fact... What stamcro can do good stamsorc/stamDK/Stamden can do better. But! After some testing i fall in love. Like rly.
I noCP mag for solo can be decent too but not like magplars or magDKs. Give it a try. Put dots, soul, stack some dmg or try harmony setup. Necro is fun and not that bad. Both ^^

Insco851

Harmony+VD in Bgs is pretty hilarious.

In CP tho- you really have to go full bomber to get the full benefit of the setup. Or run with a magplar/Nova dump.

And as much as the dot meta sounds appealing, there 8 Templar’s to every 1 other class in pvp rn so... good luck stacking dem dots. Kill recaps are jabs-jabs-entropy-Potl-jabs, maybe a crescent, maybe 3.

katorga

Both work for OK me, and I have spent a good bit of gold repsec'ing back and forth since elsweyr release. Both modes are fun.

Magcro...maybe 10-15% lower tooltip damage, lower braided tether tooltip, but much much higher healing pet tooltips and burst heal tooltip. It works well, as said above avid boneyard + harmony is fun, and I use boneyard for burst quite a bit even without harmony. Slow, slow, slow.

Stam cro plays almost identically, because the most important skills all have stam morphs...swap bow/1HS/2H for destro, I run medium with a damage set and a utility set and troll king. Much higher BB, mortal coil tooltips, but overall healing is lower than magicka version.

It is not a god class by any means, but passable and fun in groups. My templar, otoh, just wow.

Sarousse

Iskiab wrote: »

Sarousse wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You know I’m starting to think everyone still hasn’t optimized Necros.

When I did mine I missed it, but Necro looks like the perfect hybrid class. When I get enough time I’m going to figure out how to do it, but they look like they’d be great at it.

I am playing a hybrid Necromancer and having a blast.

Seventh Legion, Balorgh, Pelinal, 2h+dual.

The main use of the magicka part is for healing : the intensive mender heals for insane amounts and the instant heal + Armor buff is insane. I don't even slot vigor.

This looks like a really solid setup. Have you tried DW masters for a buff in bleed damage? I’m not sure if the tethers would be buffed by it.

I do something similar with magblade, though I use pelinals + BTB, 2h plus fire, though I use some mag and some stam abilities so the extra magicka is great. 5m.

Actually I made some changes : as you said, I'm now using the master dual wield in back bar for more pressure and I removed the balorgh set to use the Grundwulf for more sustain (and so more survivability). It works like a charm for hybrids I still have strong stats (29k hp, 28k stamina, 15k magicka) and still able to reach 5k melee and spell power and 30+ % spell and melee crit when full proced, which is far enough to kill anyone.