Random dungeon queue

Stebarnz

Please for the love of Christ add an opt out of dlc!

Cant deal with the scrubbage needing carried through this content anymore! Or just add where I can solo queue.

AlnilamE

You want the reward, you take your chances.

Otherwise just queue for the specific dungeons you are willing to do.

And you can solo queue: Just port into the dungeon. Or are you trying to get the reward for "helping others complete a dungeon" without actually helping anyone?

Jayman1000

AlnilamE wrote: »

You want the reward, you take your chances.

Otherwise just queue for the specific dungeons you are willing to do.

And you can solo queue: Just port into the dungeon. Or are you trying to get the reward for "helping others complete a dungeon" without actually helping anyone?

You can solo queue and port into dungeon and still get the daily reward?

redspecter23

Look at the bigger picture. The daily reward is 100k xp. There are other ways to get 100k xp. Many of them are significantly faster than doing a truly random normal dungeon. If you can look at it from that point of view, you do specific dungeons if you need gear, pledges, etc. If you need xp, just go get it from a 10 minute mob grind or other high xp activity.

Having said that, I do agree with a non DLC random queue, not in order to make it easier or faster specifically but only because non subs can already do that. If I can do something as a non sub that has a real benefit then taking that benefit away just because I sub doesn't make sense. There are other ways to just make the process easier and faster. Have a friend that is level 10 queue with you and just never show up. You get Fungal, Spindle or Banished Cells guaranteed. Those are all very easily soloable (or at the very least can be done with 3) and you can just repeat on all your toons. Just have your friend port out of the dungeon and continue doing their normal overland questing (or afk'ing) so they stay at level 10 forever and keep the easy dungeons coming.

The other alternative is allowing non subs access to all dungeons via random but that opens up a whole other set of issues that are also problematic.

Nestor

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

virtus753

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

There is already an option to queue for all non-DLC and not get a bonus reward. Just tick all the boxes. If there were support for a one-click “all non-DLC”, that would be an expedient way of selecting that option. But few people would do such a thing without the incentive of a bonus.

If we venture into tier territory, then the system needs to calculate DLC ownership/access and factor that in dynamically. It’s not fair that someone who owns none of the DLC gets the same rewards as someone who owns all of them and therefore is subject to harder and longer content. It’s a big part of why I won’t queue for a random vet. Too much risk for the same reward that non-DLC owners get. It’s a big downside to the sub for me. The fact that the perks of subbing outweigh it for me in this moment given my situation doesn’t mean that I happily ignore this downside, which is entirely pointless and artificial. In my opinion the 10% xp buff doesn’t make up for this disadvantage. In every other case that I can think of, a subscription or membership gives more choice and reward, not less.

If, on the other hand, the system calculated your reward based on how many dungeons your personal “random” button queued, that would strike me as fairer to everyone. The greater the risk, the greater the reward. And in that case I would fully support an “all non-DLC” button at the universal reward rate for that level.

Gundug

Or maybe make it so DLC dungeons are fun, rewarding and something a greater majority of the dungeon-going people would enjoy doing. The real issue is those dungeons are a major headache to many non-endgame players.

Stebarnz

AlnilamE wrote: »

You want the reward, you take your chances.

Otherwise just queue for the specific dungeons you are willing to do.

And you can solo queue: Just port into the dungeon. Or are you trying to get the reward for "helping others complete a dungeon" without actually helping anyone?

Ok then give me the random dungeon rewards for that or stfu with tard answers.

You have no idea how many times ive tried to help people to be answered with 'youre an elitist' 'ill play how I like' '5k is acceptable dps' , so I don't help any more run through asap, I haven't got time to baby sit scrubs.

Ive totally lost patience, therefore im asking for a way to play that doesn't involve me wiping *** all day long.

Stebarnz

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

Exactly so no one would run unless forced to! what does that tell you!

Stebarnz

All im asking for is an random queue that eliminates the dlc's as some people literally are not able to run unless carried and im tired of it.
People queuing for vet dungeons whp are not even 160 cp so any gear is dead!

Lost patience! the game is 5 years old with many many vids online at how to play effectively, no excuse!

Stebarnz

I want to queue for random fun dungeon when I only got a little time to play not random encounter with some fools that may take several hours due to inability to grasp simple concepts!

Don't mind carrying through non dlc's, dlc however is just a little too much and gets my bum twitching!

de_la_Dude

I like doing DLC dungeons in the random queue, but I agree that too often its not worth the risk of ending up in a terrible group. Maybe the random queue should only include dungeons you've already completed. That would probably go a long way to solve the problem from my view

Stebarnz

de_la_Dude wrote: »

I like doing DLC dungeons in the random queue, but I agree that too often its not worth the risk of ending up in a terrible group. Maybe the random queue should only include dungeons you've already completed. That would probably go a long way to solve the problem from my view

that's cool, that's why im not saying do away with it, just give me an option.

redspecter23

Stebarnz wrote: »

de_la_Dude wrote: »

I like doing DLC dungeons in the random queue, but I agree that too often its not worth the risk of ending up in a terrible group. Maybe the random queue should only include dungeons you've already completed. That would probably go a long way to solve the problem from my view

that's cool, that's why im not saying do away with it, just give me an option.

Are you in it for the fun or the reward? As mentioned above, if all you want to do it play a random, non dlc dungeon, you can do that. Select specific dungeon and then just check off the boxes for all the non dlc dungeons. Boom. You are now in a non dlc queue.

However, if you are also in it for the xp reward this won't solve your problem. Yes, it would be nice to be able to get the full reward for a random dungeon while excluding the dlcs (as there are multiple ways to do this already anyway), but you do have options, especially if you're just in it for the fun of the game.

kargen27

Stebarnz wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

Exactly so no one would run unless forced to! what does that tell you!

That people just want the quickest way to get the XP bonus which is why so many took advantage of being able to queue random then port to Fungal. The bonus is there as reward for queuing for random knowing it could be a harder dungeon. You take a chance for the XP. If there were an option for easy content only of course they would take it. That isn't necessarily good for the long term health of the game though. MMOs survive by players repeating a large amount of the content.

And you can queue with a pre-made group and still get a random reward if you are tired of carrying pugs. You get the XP not for the random group but for the random dungeons including the chance of getting a DLC.

redspecter23

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

Exactly so no one would run unless forced to! what does that tell you!

You take a chance for the XP. If there were an option for easy content only of course they would take it.

There is no chance and there are easy ways

1. Queue with a low level player for easy dungeons
2. Have one player in group queue without access to DLC (no sub or no DLC owned)

There is absolutely zero risk of a harder or lengthy dungeon right now if you do these things. The request to allow players to exclude dlc is just a way to allow higher level players or those that actually support the game with a sub or content purchase to enjoy the same advantage that many other players already have.

Stebarnz

redspecter23 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

Exactly so no one would run unless forced to! what does that tell you!

You take a chance for the XP. If there were an option for easy content only of course they would take it.

There is no chance and there are easy ways

1. Queue with a low level player for easy dungeons
2. Have one player in group queue without access to DLC (no sub or no DLC owned)

There is absolutely zero risk of a harder or lengthy dungeon right now if you do these things. The request to allow players to exclude dlc is just a way to allow higher level players or those that actually support the game with a sub or content purchase to enjoy the same advantage that many other players already have.

Good shout, ill group with low level in future, ty.

ayu_fever

i am not interested in the daily reward or the xp.
i am interested in actually being able to complete the content!!!!!!

are dlc dungeons are just too hard?
maybe.
maybe not.
even normal can be a nightmare.
it isnt always as easy as join a guild and make friends.

whenever i do pledges i always get the most roody poo brain dead autistic potatoes EVER!!!
yay a CP11 healer with a bow that goes werewolf on a boss fight!
yay a lv47 dps with a sword and shield WHO IS MESSING UP MY FLOW AS THE TANK!
those people do not deserve to finish the content.

yeah me bailing on those scrubs is why i hate the timeout penalty haha.


couple of solutions:

#1 must have cleared the dungeon on normal to be able to enter that same dungeon on vet.
to enable hard mode, that same dungeon must have been cleared on regular vet.
this is PER CHARACTER not per account.
(this alone will really handle a majority of weeding out the roody poo population in the vet queue)

#2 have the option to “opt out” of dlc dungeons in the random dungeon playlist.
some want to get in and get out in the easiest path possible.
some like to roll the dice and play the content no matter how bad the roody poos are.
this is FULLY OPTIONAL and punishes no one AND it lets people PLAY THEIR OWN WAY (like eso is advertised imagine that...)

#3 nerf dlc dungeons to the difficulty of base game normal content.
(make vet moon hunter keep hard mode the same difficulty as vet crypt of hearts 1 hard mode, as an example.)
if people attempt dungeons, get a dlc, and cant do it... and this happens repeatedly many many times, for literally thousands of players consistently then there is either a fault with “too many” roody poo players who are playing in the wrong yard, OR the content just needs to be nerfed in all aspects to bring them down SEVERAL notches for the purposes of accessibility.
planar inhibitor says hello.

i personally hope they dont nerf the content.
being cp300 wasnt enough of a restriction for vet queue.
theres PLENTY of 810 roody poos infecting veteran content and it is horrible.

there are some who will like these ideas and some who will hate it.
dont @ me.
@ someone else who cares.


p.s.
argonians and khajiit are NOT people.
they are objects.
dark elf master race!

kargen27

redspecter23 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I can see an option for a Non DLC Queue. However, the rewards would have to be nerfed or eliminated for that queue. Otherwise no one would do the DLCs for the Randoms. I know I would not.

The Random Queue exists to find players for forming groups, not as an Avenue to get a reward with ease.

Exactly so no one would run unless forced to! what does that tell you!

You take a chance for the XP. If there were an option for easy content only of course they would take it.

There is no chance and there are easy ways

1. Queue with a low level player for easy dungeons
2. Have one player in group queue without access to DLC (no sub or no DLC owned)

There is absolutely zero risk of a harder or lengthy dungeon right now if you do these things. The request to allow players to exclude dlc is just a way to allow higher level players or those that actually support the game with a sub or content purchase to enjoy the same advantage that many other players already have.

Yeah those are two more options. So no problem. Just ask in zone chat for a low level and off you go.