Just roll back the PC/EU server

Zefirodos

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

Lisutaris

Way too late for that. Many ppl do care Therefore, NO

Ragnork

Lisutaris wrote: »

Way too late for that. Many ppl do care

Nope - way too late now. If this had been done on Monday along with the patch then okay - but a roll back now. No.

mikemacon

No.

Skwor

This really is bad. If I understand this right at this point in time ZoS has allowed billions of gold and a totally broke trader system to run amok in the EU pc server. Also appears to have no intent to resolve this. Add to this they have allowed hundreds of players to roll and keep a necro without paying for the chapter.

All this while honest paying players are crying in the wilderness for justice. This really is the sort of stuff that destroys a player base.

It has me seriously considering a new game specifically for a developer who has enough integrity to maintain fair gameplay and correct their BIG mistakes at a minimum.

Jaensn

Skwor wrote: »

This really is the sort of stuff that destroys a player base.

I agree. Mistakes happen but if this doesn't get fixed in a way that is fair for everyone, there will be gamers too angry to keep up with this, no doubt.

Artio

Jaensn wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

This really is the sort of stuff that destroys a player base.

I agree. Mistakes happen but if this doesn't get fixed in a way that is fair for everyone, there will be gamers too angry to keep up with this, no doubt.

ESO has been my most played MMO but with everything going on with it I am looking at others that don't have the number of problems that ESO has even though I love the game. I have already ended my subscription because I will be playing Classic WoW next week and atm I rarely even log into the game to do things other than chat with guildmates.

OsManiaC

Skwor wrote: »

This really is bad. If I understand this right at this point in time ZoS has allowed billions of gold and a totally broke trader system to run amok in the EU pc server. Also appears to have no intent to resolve this. Add to this they have allowed hundreds of players to roll and keep a necro without paying for the chapter.

All this while honest paying players are crying in the wilderness for justice. This really is the sort of stuff that destroys a player base.

It has me seriously considering a new game specifically for a developer who has enough integrity to maintain fair gameplay and correct their BIG mistakes at a minimum.

thank you, you just wrote my thoughts

Bosov

Skwor wrote: »

This really is bad. If I understand this right at this point in time ZoS has allowed billions of gold and a totally broke trader system to run amok in the EU pc server. Also appears to have no intent to resolve this. Add to this they have allowed hundreds of players to roll and keep a necro without paying for the chapter.

All this while honest paying players are crying in the wilderness for justice. This really is the sort of stuff that destroys a player base.

It has me seriously considering a new game specifically for a developer who has enough integrity to maintain fair gameplay and correct their BIG mistakes at a minimum.

I dont care about people not having paid for the necro. That has zero effect on me. I dont see why anyone would care. They got lucky with a free necro, good for them.

A broken economy where the richest people get even richer because they (ab)used a bug and bought all gold mats to resell them for a profit does affect me.

I did cancel my eso+ a while ago because i dont really want to spend any more money on the disaster that is Zenimax Online Studios but i did start to play eso again. The problem is that when the game works PvP is really fun for me. Now with the dots and *** balance it is less fun but still enjoyable. The combat system of eso is just too much fun.. even if they are dumbing it down for casuals more and more.

I just wish there was a game like eso i could play and finally delete this game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

Bosov

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

I havent logged in since the exploit happened but it is way too late for a reroll now. That wouldnt be fair for so many players.

Numerikuu

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

I agree with them saying no and I've not touched the game since before the patch dropped. It's far, far too late to do a rollback now. They should have done it the moment the exploit was brought to their attention so as not to greatly affect the players that weren't affected by the exploit and were just playing normally.

Zenimax dropped the ball hard with this one. But I'm not surprised... they barely give a *** about the EU servers. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of care was on purpose. The more people quit or move to the NA servers, the bigger the reason they have to shut down the EU server altogether and merge it into just the one. Less hassle for them then. They wouldn't be the first MMO to do that either.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Is yet another thread about this neccessary?

pdblake

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

Tell that to all the casual players who never even looked at this forum and probably don't even notice there's a problem. As I've already said in another thread, go log in and just play the game, forget about trading for a moment, just go do a dolmen or a delve or a couple of side quests. See if you can tell that there's a problem. If you go to buy something from a guild trader you'll notice some, "some" of them are a bit light on stock, but you won't notice a problem.

Then roll it back and explain to the guy on another thread from just today why his vMA run no longer counts and explain to the other thousands of people why all they've done in that past couple of days has vanished, because of a problem they didn't even notice. That kind of thing will destroy the game a lot quicker than a few trading guild masters having more gold than they should.

All they need to do is take the refunds back, if they money has gone, then take whatever action they need over exploiting, but I would imagine the vast majority are honest and are still holding on to it in case it needs to go back. Also refund those who didn't get theirs back at all.

But above all, stick a big notice at the top of every page stating that ESO is only a bloody game, go outside, get some fresh air, take some deep breaths, then once you've flushed your own personal cache, try logging in again.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

pdblake wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

Tell that to all the casual players who never even looked at this forum and probably don't even notice there's a problem. As I've already said in another thread, go log in and just play the game, forget about trading for a moment, just go do a dolmen or a delve or a couple of side quests. See if you can tell that there's a problem. If you go to buy something from a guild trader you'll notice some, "some" of them are a bit light on stock, but you won't notice a problem.

Then roll it back and explain to the guy on another thread from just today why his vMA run no longer counts and explain to the other thousands of people why all they've done in that past couple of days has vanished. That kind of thing will destroy the game a lot quicker than a few trading guild masters having more gold than they should.

All the need to do is take the refunds back, if they money has gone, then take whatever action they need over exploiting, but I would imagine the vast majority are honest and are still holding on to it in case it needs to go back.

But above all, stick a big notice at the top of every page stating that ESO is only a bloody game, go outside, get some fresh air, take some deep breaths, then once you've flushed your own personal cache, try logging in again.

Agreed. A rollback would ruin things more, for even more people.

pdblake

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Agreed. A rollback would ruin things more, for even more people.

You know, I knew I could have said it in fewer words

Tandor

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

Simply untrue. I'm wholly opposed to a rollback and I'm not in any guilds at all.

A rollback for a trading mishap isn't remotely fair on everyone, it penalises those who aren't directly involved in these trading shenanigans. Funds should be properly balanced according to whether they were overpaid or underpaid, and any guild that exploited excess funds should be closed and its assets removed from the game without warning. Prices will return to normal very quickly.

Tandor

pdblake wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Agreed. A rollback would ruin things more, for even more people.

You know, I knew I could have said it in fewer words

Actually, you explained it very effectively - such that for the first time in my posting history I was genuinely at a loss to decide between giving it an Insightful, Agree, or Awesome, it really deserved all three !

zsban

What would happen to the items bought from the crown store? What would happen to the gems extracted from ourobos crates? Will I have the same RNG luck next time?

No thank you. They f*cked it up, now it's time to fix their stuff without f*cking with us even more.

Lord_Eomer

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

No way!

Mayrael

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

No way!

Why? Because right now I think all people who don't want roll back are the ones who benefit from it. I know what you will say just reset gold - yeah what about those who spent their "exploited" gold and now they don't own any? We need roll back with refund for wasted time.

Gariele

A rollback need to happen within I’d say the first couple hours. We’re almost at 48hrs past. Someone said that EU is just going to have to eat the Gold Bomb and move forward and I believe this is true. Once bots and farmers start flooding the market again the prices will eventually reset. Kinda sad I even have to say bots will help stable the market but they will.

Lord_Eomer

Mayrael wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

No way!

Why? Because right now I think all people who don't want roll back are the ones who benefit from it. I know what you will say just reset gold - yeah what about those who spent their "exploited" gold and now they don't own any? We need roll back with refund for wasted time.

Will be losing lot more progress and its not just Me.

It will be huge issue for ZOS and this is never going to Happen anyway.

Red_Feather

I am not on EU but from the sound of things the economy is so broken it can't be fixed. So messed up.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Red_Feather wrote: »

I am not on EU but from the sound of things the economy is so broken it can't be fixed. So messed up.

It's not.

Tandor

Mayrael wrote: »

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

No way!

Why? Because right now I think all people who don't want roll back are the ones who benefit from it. I know what you will say just reset gold - yeah what about those who spent their "exploited" gold and now they don't own any? We need roll back with refund for wasted time.

What about all those of us who aren't remotely affected by the trading issues because we don't participate in trading either as sellers or as buyers, or because our guilds weren't involved on Sunday? Why should our adventuring progress of recent days be lost, including vMA runs, Crown Store purchases, dailies (including the last night of the Orsinium event) and achievements generally? Just rebalance the guild fund receipts including dealing with any exploits, and fix the issue in time for next Sunday's bidding war.

Sarannah

It is way too late for a roll back. Roll backs are only a good solution if they are done within a 5-10 minute window from when the issue(s) happened.

ZOS needs to manually track down the gold and completely wipe clean the accounts of those who used the "false gold", and just remove the excess amount of gold from those who did receive but didn't use the "false gold". But judging by how they handled the necro debacle I am sure ZOS will do nothing. In fact, I'm expecting the same issues to happen again at the next guildtrader changes.

Just for the record: Server lag and delays have been the cause of many item/gold duping issues in multiple online games, so not fixing the EU server immediately when the first signs of lag happened is a big NO NO. It should happen right now, take the servers offline and double the hardware capacity. I'd gladly suffer another maintenance period for that!

Arrodisia

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

There is no reason for it. Prices are still stable. There's way too much misinformation in the threads right now.

zaria

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

There is no reason for it. Prices are still stable. There's way too much misinformation in the threads right now.

https://eu.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/SearchResult?ItemID=5687&SortBy=LastSeen&Order=desc&page=1
Recommend that OP try another city. This is more an effect of trading guilds loosing their traders to non trader one with empty shops.

Also spamming these treads will increase prices as people think they are selling to cheap.

JamieAubrey

Zefirodos wrote: »

I'd much rather lose 48 hours of progress than have the possibility of prices being inflated for years.

Then again I doubt Zenimax Online has backups.

Have you seen my vMA post, if they roll back they better give me what I'm owed

Ragnork

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

People say "No, no rollback now" are almost certainly in guilds who have benefited from this exploit.

Roll it back, its the ONLY option that is fair on EVERYONE.


All The Best

Nope I have not benefited from this.
This can not be the only option and it would not be fair for everyone.

I have invested my precious time in levelling and developing my alt.

You do not speak for me.

I am also going to quote from Tandor, above;
"What about all those of us who aren't remotely affected by the trading issues because we don't participate in trading either as sellers or as buyers, or because our guilds weren't involved on Sunday? Why should our adventuring progress of recent days be lost, including vMA runs, Crown Store purchases, dailies (including the last night of the Orsinium event) and achievements generally? Just rebalance the guild fund receipts including dealing with any exploits, and fix the issue in time for next Sunday's bidding war."

A roll back is not the only option and would not benefit everyone.