Maelstrom Arena is Worse Than PvP!

FlopsyPrince

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

cmvet

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

I can imagine that when people toss their controllers into the wall or the TV, there is a good chance they are running vMA. It's not that bad once you learn the mechanics, and gets easier with time, a lot of cussing, some hair pulling, a few screams, blood shed, and a tear or two. You will eventually get to flawless.

idk

It is best to continue working on leaning MA all year long if you want to partake in reaping double drops during this event.

SydneyGrey

LOL.
The only part I have a hard time with is the Argonian Behemoth boss. That guy kills me WAY too often.

Austinseph1

Don’t worry, everybody feels this way until you get good and clear it. It’s supposed to be hard, people that have learned it can complete it with cp and just light attacks lol

What_In_Tarnation

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

die continually on normal mode?

fossoyer

I start doing VMA with this event. I do it maybe 6 Times. I had 240cp.
Training is the Key of success, and some luck in the mushroom's stage.

Dusk_Coven

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

Honestly just say no to grinding.
If you actually want the Style Page, pay gold to get it gifted to you instead of wasting hours. Even the "best" players streaming guides take about an hour to do one full run of vMA. Way too much time wasted when you can go do other more interesting things.

If I wanted to play a game where I do the same thing over and over day after day, I'd have stayed with NWO.

Browiseth

if you can't handle it don't play it i guess.

siddique

I did normal MA with my level 27 Necro -_- try vet if you think normal is sadist. You'd love it

jainiadral

If you hate it, don't do it. Got halfway through nMA myself, and did fine but I hated every second of it. Even seeing the quest in my journal stressed me out. So after torturing myself with six rounds over as many days, I deleted the quest and have ignored it ever since.

Don't ruin your game with the grindy quest for shinies. It's not worth it. You'll make yourself hate what is supposed to be fun.

Vicinia

Um you're dying continously on normal? Oof.

Would not recommend vMA with all the new variety of bugs, now that's some sadist stuff.

SaucyMcSauceface

I find it odd the the ping in Maelstrom is often equivalent to a PvP area, but a video showing the mechanics should mean that you can clear normal without too much trouble. Alcast has quite a good video walking through the whole thing and explaining the mechanics,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2kIZWjXg8


Joy Division also has a great walkthrough
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381682/joys-new-and-improved-guide-to-beating-maelstrom-arena/p1

both are explanations for vet maelstrom, but they will take you through it on normal as well.

Kurat

I dont understand how is it even possible not to be able to complete NORMAL Ma. nMA is almost like overland stuff.
Do you suggest that everything in the game should be just handed out. If you want the style pages just buy them then lol.

Eyllora

Hello @FlopsyPrince
As a lot of players with a lot of CP, I don't see the problem in normal MA. It is quite an easy content actually. I don't consider myself a particularly skilled player but I did this arena normal mode loooong time ago when I was maybe CP200 and without any trouble.
Maybe you could tell us more about your character : what is your current level, what gear do you have, how experienced you are, what is causing you to die endlessly etc. and people could help you go through it :-)
Also there are a lot of guides explaining all the mechanics, with video : maybe you should check them to learn positioning and such if you have trouble finding by yourself.

Concerning the event, it would be very sad if MA wouldn't be part of it : it is an emblematic place in Wrothgar, and the only solo arena in game and actually I don't understand why it doesn't grant event tickets as the dailies do.

Beardimus

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

It'd a brilliant idea for an event, as its instanced and its encouraging people to do content that will help them progress.
NMA os straight forward but learn the mechs OR have decent DPS to burn through. It shouldn't be too hard, i cleared before i hit VR1.

@FlopsyPrince whats your build / setup? What's killing you? Can we help?

VMA is what takes PvE from being easy overland killing to proper tier PvE, and actually it helps you learn stuff for PvP, hwals, setup, mitigation etc etc. VMA makes you setup properly, before that you can run anything and kill mobs easily. This is a threshold.

Again, share what's getting you and we can help.

Good luck

FrancisCrawford

Even normal mode can be hard if you haven't seen a guide to the mechanics.

Round 1 -- not really. The mechanics are visible.
Round 2 -- there are switches that turn off the blades for a while.
Round 3 -- the stranglers that snare you can be hard to see, and they don't pull you like ordinary stranglers do.
Round 4 -- the final boss has phases.
Round 5 -- the final boss breaks platforms on a percentage-of-health timer. Also, if you're on a platform that breaks, there are several bad consequences at once.
Round 6 -- the little spider swarms are unbeatable unless you know the mechanics, which are complicated.
Round 7 -- you need to know the mechanics of the pools that cleanse the poison. If your build isn't strong, it also helps to know the scream/bubble mechanics in the final boss fight.
Round 8 -- enemies are invulnerable until you break the obelisks.
Round 9 -- the most essential mechanic is killing the clannfears in the right location to get access to the obelisks that need destroying. But there are a lot of other mechanics to be aware of too. See the guides.

notyuu

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode?

No offence, btu if you're dying continually on normal mode, eaither you're completely ignoring the mechanics or you're not following the very basic rules of the game [don't stand in red, block the charged attacks, heal when you're low on health]

so praytell... what in oblivion is actually killing you?

ATomiX69

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

If you die in normal maelstrom arena, you might wanna try different games in the meantime while ZOS raises the skill-floor until all the content is faceroll material.

BomblePants

WOT!!! PvP is so fun!! I agree though VMA is really not.... well, it’s not my idea of fun at all.....

I have enjoyed this event though....

Berserkerkitten

Heaven forbid if we have at least some solo content, which requires some basic knowledge of game mechanics. How very sadistic, indeed!

WuffyCerulei

It does get better once you complete it, normal or vet. Cuz you’ll know what to expecr, what some of the mechanics are.

D0PAMINE

siddique wrote: »

I did normal MA with my level 27 Necro -_- try vet if you think normal is sadist. You'd love it

I did it on a level 7 Stamwarden with no mundus because I forgot. It was all Soul Trap, uppercut and spores. Then the bear at stage 6. I found it to be the easiest run with that op battle scaling. Well, and it was normal.

Betty_Booms

Beardimus wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

It'd a brilliant idea for an event, as its instanced and its encouraging people to do content that will help them progress.
NMA os straight forward but learn the mechs OR have decent DPS to burn through. It shouldn't be too hard, i cleared before i hit VR1.

@FlopsyPrince whats your build / setup? What's killing you? Can we help?

VMA is what takes PvE from being easy overland killing to proper tier PvE, and actually it helps you learn stuff for PvP, hwals, setup, mitigation etc etc. VMA makes you setup properly, before that you can run anything and kill mobs easily. This is a threshold.

Again, share what's getting you and we can help.

Good luck

Haha yeah it was the other way around for me. I must have wiped 50 times on the last boss. I had a big break and I spent quite a bit of team in BGs and went back after about 8 months and completed it with about 6 deaths.

PVP is definitely great for honing skills.

vesselwiththepestle

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

You have to options.

1. You try to understand why it is so hard for you, learn how you could get better at it and try again. In time you'll easily complete nMA and with a little more effort probably even vMA.
2. You complain it's to hard, and never complete ma.

You need to know, the rivers in the Maelstrom Arena are filled with the tears and blood of players giving up. The Maelstrom Arena isn't just designed to be hard, it's designed to break the player and make him give up. That's why there are mechanics like poison blossoms spawning right unter the shield in the poison stage .

So it's up to you. If you don't think it's fun to get better at challenging stuff like that, just don't do it and find something in the game what you enjoy. That's what "play as you want" actually means - not than we can combine randomly skills and gear sets and declare we are playing as we want and it's viable, but there is plenty of stuff in the game to do and it's up to us to decide if we want to go fishing, do housing, do challenging stuff, progress through the raids, go questing, make lots of gold by trading etc.

So you don't want to do challenging stuff, that's completely ok, then go on and move to something what you want to play.

Adernath

I find most of the comments of this thread inappropriate. I have cleared vMA enough times but I understand that even nMA is not that easy for new players or players with suboptimal specs (like lack of self-heals) and can be very frustrating as a consequence.

From my own exprience I find nMA a bit more difficult than the original Doshia (where I died just once before I understood the mechanics), where people spammed the forums about it to nerf it back in the release days.

D0PAMINE

Adernath wrote: »

I find most of the comments of this thread inappropriate. I have cleared vMA enough times but I understand that even nMA is not that easy for new players or players with suboptimal specs (like lack of self-heals) and can be very frustrating as a consequence.

From my own exprience I find nMA a bit more difficult than the original Doshia (where I died just once before I understood the mechanics), where people spammed the forums about it to nerf it back in the release days.

Back then people had about 2k health. Remember, Maelstrom is a solo trial, not a single boss.

Casterial

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

What sadist at the company thinks forcing stuff like this to earn things is a great idea? And endless arena where I die continually on normal mode? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea for an event! Not!!!!!!

I think I can AFK on normal mode and not die..? lol

On Veteran, yes..it can be crazy.

Its not a MUST, and PVP is fun

darthgummibear_ESO

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

I find it odd the the ping in Maelstrom is often equivalent to a PvP area, but a video showing the mechanics should mean that you can clear normal without too much trouble. Alcast has quite a good video walking through the whole thing and explaining the mechanics,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2kIZWjXg8


Joy Division also has a great walkthrough
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381682/joys-new-and-improved-guide-to-beating-maelstrom-arena/p1

both are explanations for vet maelstrom, but they will take you through it on normal as well.

Is that still relevant with the pet nerfs?

AbysmalGhul

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

I find it odd the the ping in Maelstrom is often equivalent to a PvP area, but a video showing the mechanics should mean that you can clear normal without too much trouble. Alcast has quite a good video walking through the whole thing and explaining the mechanics,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2kIZWjXg8


Joy Division also has a great walkthrough
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381682/joys-new-and-improved-guide-to-beating-maelstrom-arena/p1

both are explanations for vet maelstrom, but they will take you through it on normal as well.

Is that still relevant with the pet nerfs?

Yes. I believe Alcast did the same build with 300 CP activated after the new patch dropped for PC

Integral1900

Normal is not intended to be fun, or pleasant or entertaining... it is intended to be a tedious grind with a ‘we couldn’t be bothered’ plot pasted over the top and god awful rng. It’s a boring, two dimensional tar pit in which you slog away trying to get winterborn gear while knowing in your heart that it’s probably going to be a disappointment just like MA is in general.

Best advice i would give a beginner is study the guides stage by stage as you do them. Don’t try to remember it all. Then it’s light armour, all dps sets, 30k health just to simplify, a shield or two maybe with a hardening enchant on a lightning staff, then just a couple of aoe. The shields hide your health, the 30k pumps their potential max size up, keep you left finger down and as long as you avoid the big mechanics it’s all just a matter of waiting for that 40 minute waste of time to be over.

Vet is a whole diffrent ball game... vet is designed to drive you mad. There are so many bugs in there it’s all but impossible to tell them from the mechanics some times. Then just in case the loot rng gets lonely there are a few mechanics that use rng as well. Do it once and the rest are relatively simple. Although when a gaming god like alcast says it’s easy you way want to take that with a LOT of salt given the vast gulf in skill between players who live in there and the rest of us mere mortals.

I did over two hundred normal runs and nine VMA runs, 8 assorted maelstrom two handlers and a crash that meant i didn’t get to open the 9th chest, all training...............

Before trait changing was a thing..........

Never did get that winterborn jewellery....

Remember, this isn’t meant to be fun. It’s meant to be a challenge 🤨