Stupid Question

CaffeinatedMayhem

Why is Necrotic Orb the 5th skill in Undaunted instead of 1 or 2?

Last night I was helping a friend grind Frostvault and we got a Necro healer who either didn't know about orbs or didn't have them. They didn't speak English either but that's another topic.
As tank, I spent all of Frostvault with a full health bar and empty stam/mag, because Magma Shell only restores half my pool, and even heavy attacking constatly didn't give me enough resources. Lost taunt and died several times because if I can't block one-shots, I die.

Are we at the point where PvE tanks have to debuff, buff, take damage, and do 100% of their own restore because many healers won't have orbs until Undaunted 5, and only Templars have a class skill that restores stam/mag? I can wear Shacklebreaker, but that only goes so far.

At least tanks didn't get nerfed today... probably because there's nothing left to nerf.

Edit: Green Dragon blood is a joke for stam restore, and has been for a while.

Veinblood1965

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Why is Necrotic Orb the 5th skill in Undaunted instead of 1 or 2?

Last night I was helping a friend grind Frostvault and we got a Necro healer who either didn't know about orbs or didn't have them. They didn't speak English either but that's another topic.
As tank, I spent all of Frostvault with a full health bar and empthy stam/mag, because Magma Shell only restores half my pool, and even heavy attacking constatly didn't give me enough resources. Lost taunt and died several times because if I can't block one-shots, I die.

Are we at the point where PvE tanks have to debuff, buff, take damage, and do 100% of their own restore because many healers won't have orbs until Undaunted 5, and only Templars have a class skill that restores stam/mag? I can wear Shacklebreaker, but that only goes so far.

At least tanks didn't get nerfed today... probably because there's nothing left to nerf.

Yes there is more left to nerf, they could make what's left of SnB useless and force us to use staves on both bars. It's stupid, tanks should be using actual cutting weapons not a staff.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Yes there is more left to nerf, they could make what's left of SnB useless and force us to use staves on both bars. It's stupid, tanks should be using actual cutting weapons not a staff.

I don't disagree. I've avoided the staff until recently, and I'm not happy about using it.

p00tx

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Why is Necrotic Orb the 5th skill in Undaunted instead of 1 or 2?

Last night I was helping a friend grind Frostvault and we got a Necro healer who either didn't know about orbs or didn't have them. They didn't speak English either but that's another topic.
As tank, I spent all of Frostvault with a full health bar and empty stam/mag, because Magma Shell only restores half my pool, and even heavy attacking constatly didn't give me enough resources. Lost taunt and died several times because if I can't block one-shots, I die.

Are we at the point where PvE tanks have to debuff, buff, take damage, and do 100% of their own restore because many healers won't have orbs until Undaunted 5, and only Templars have a class skill that restores stam/mag? I can wear Shacklebreaker, but that only goes so far.

At least tanks didn't get nerfed today... probably because there's nothing left to nerf.

Edit: Green Dragon blood is a joke for stam restore, and has been for a while.

Yes, because most 4 man teams do not include a healer.

CaffeinatedMayhem

p00tx wrote: »

Yes, because most 4 man teams do not include a healer.

Well, I guess your queue time just got longer, I won't play without a healer or SOMEONE helping me restore. Tanks already do too much as it is.

MartiniDaniels

Oh, I once met high-CP templar healer who was not using nor shards nor orbs. When I asked him for shards for alkosh he answered that this is dps skill, he is healer and he will not be forced to use this bs in dungeon. I immediately left group and he was *itching out in whispers for 10 minutes afterwards about meta, dungeons, play the way you like and other similar things...
In my opinion "play the way you like" is applicable if you are playing solo or with FULL group of friends. If you are playing with pugs, be nice to use at least basic toolkit for your role. I mean we used to have no gear runs (when you pickup and use only what dropped in dungeon) and so on with guildmates, and it was great fun, but I doubt pugs will be happy if their tank or healer will try to perform such no-gear run.

CaffeinatedMayhem

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Oh, I once met high-CP templar healer who was not using nor shards nor orbs. When I asked him for shards for alkosh he answered that this is dps skill, he is healer and he will not be forced to use this bs in dungeon. I immediately left group and he was *itching out in whispers for 10 minutes afterwards about meta, dungeons, play the way you like and other similar things...
In my opinion "play the way you like" is applicable if you are playing solo or with FULL group of friends. If you are playing with pugs, be nice to use at least basic toolkit for your role. I mean we used to have no gear runs (when you pickup and use only what dropped in dungeon) and so on with guildmates, and it was great fun, but I doubt pugs will be happy if their tank or healer will try to perform such no-gear run.

This is a reasonable approach. I'm wearing Shacklebreaker today for the new dungeons, but I won't be queuing without a healer I know. It's ridiculous to not know that PvE tanks have 0 stam regen because we can't regen while blocking. If you want to run a group of 4 solo players, fine. Just don't expect that everyone wants to play that way.

Also brought up today... soooo Sorcs, how are you going to heal if you don't use pets?