Would you rather have Zos focus on performance or a new dlc.

Amira

Like the title says which do you feel Zos should be spending their pennies on, fixing the worst performance across all platforms for a fun smooth playable game or another bug infested dlc?

Poll is anonymous

Judas Helviaryn

There is no game without performance, plain and simple. This game has become embarrassing and a waste of time.

Gatviper

Sure do, but it doesn't matter what I, or any other players want. ZoS team does with the game what they decide to be right, even if sometimes it looks like they don't exactly know their game.

kargen27

Another thread that starts by assuming the same people working on new content are debugging the game. They have different teams with different skill sets working on different aspects of the game. It is not an either/or situation.

You are assuming nerfs come about as part of a DLC. You need to consider the nerfs might be taking place to fix performance. Either scenario is equally viable. Or the nerfs could be unrelated to either other than release date.

Raisin

It you wanted to create a construction be discussion and not just stir up ***, you wouldn't be making your poll answers biased and condescending.

Devanear

They have already announced their plans to improve performance: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Raisin wrote: »

It you wanted to create a construction be discussion and not just stir up ***, you wouldn't be making your poll answers biased and condescending.

Also this ^

Amira

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

There is no game without performance, plain and simple. This game has become embarrassing and a waste of time.

You're right the game is nothing like it use to be. They certainly don't even comment much on performance except a few tidbits. Yet the game still deteriorates.

Ogou

Well, those options are not biased at all. If you're gonna write them out like that why make a poll in the first place?

Amira

Gatviper wrote: »

Sure do, but it doesn't matter what I, or any other players want. ZoS team does with the game what they decide to be right, even if sometimes it looks like they don't exactly know their game.

It should matter if you can play the content. They should care about their customers. I thought that was a given.

BlueRaven

Those two things are not related. The people who are in charge of the game engine/servers are not the same people who make new content.

Now if you want to increase the “performance team” budget vs the content team that is a different question. Except that the content team requires years to put out new content.

In a recent presentation it was stated they actually have two teams going each hop scotching the other to produce the major chapters.

I think the people who post these questions think it takes three months to produce these dlcs, it does not. It takes much longer.

I am not sure what value it has to trip up the the content teams work structure when perhaps zos just needs to bite the bullet and increase the performance teams budget until these issues are solved.

Amira

Devanear wrote: »

They have already announced their plans to improve performance: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Raisin wrote: »

It you wanted to create a construction be discussion and not just stir up ***, you wouldn't be making your poll answers biased and condescending.

Also this ^

Like the new hardware for EU? This should be their number one concern.

Amira

Raisin wrote: »

It you wanted to create a construction be discussion and not just stir up ***, you wouldn't be making your poll answers biased and condescending.

Really? I think eso's performance is condescending to every paying customer.

They need to fix their game and actually update us more then a few times every 6 months.

Danikat

kargen27 wrote: »

Another thread that starts by assuming the same people working on new content are debugging the game. They have different teams with different skill sets working on different aspects of the game. It is not an either/or situation.

You are assuming nerfs come about as part of a DLC. You need to consider the nerfs might be taking place to fix performance. Either scenario is equally viable. Or the nerfs could be unrelated to either other than release date.

Agreed.

I often wonder how many of the people writing this have any experience of...well, any job really. Imagine if your boss came in one day and announced that all the people from a totally unrelated department are going to come and help you do your job. Say for example you work in accounts and now the marketing team are going to work for you.

Would you get more done? Or would it be impossible to achieve anything because you've now got to deal with a bunch of creative types who might be great at drawing posters and thinking up slogans but who can't do basic maths without a calculator interrupting you every 20 seconds to ask how to find files and what this tab on the database means and how you filter stuff in Excel...

What makes you think a bunch of narrative designers, artists and 3D modellers would be any better at debugging code and fixing servers?

kargen27

BlueRaven wrote: »

Those two things are not related. The people who are in charge of the game engine/servers are not the same people who make new content.

Now if you want to increase the “performance team” budget vs the content team that is a different question. Except that the content team requires years to put out new content.

In a recent presentation it was stated they actually have two teams going each hop scotching the other to produce the major chapters.

I think the people who post these questions think it takes three months to produce these dlcs, it does not. It takes much longer.

I am not sure what value it has to trip up the the content teams work structure when perhaps zos just needs to bite the bullet and increase the performance teams budget until these issues are solved.

It might not be a budget thing though. Sometimes adding more people just adds more problems.

Devanear

Amira wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

It you wanted to create a construction be discussion and not just stir up ***, you wouldn't be making your poll answers biased and condescending.

Really? I think eso's performance is condescending to every paying customer.

They need to fix their game and actually update us more then a few times every 6 months.

The released a plan with concrete dates less than two weeks ago. This is just complaining for the sake of it.

Gythral

Gut the top tier and hire some people that can fix issues

The DLC team may as well carry on as they cannot fix anything - different skill sets etc... (and they are needed to produce revenue)

Amira

BlueRaven wrote: »

Those two things are not related. The people who are in charge of the game engine/servers are not the same people who make new content.

Now if you want to increase the “performance team” budget vs the content team that is a different question. Except that the content team requires years to put out new content.

In a recent presentation it was stated they actually have two teams going each hop scotching the other to produce the major chapters.

I think the people who post these questions think it takes three months to produce these dlcs, it does not. It takes much longer.

I am not sure what value it has to trip up the the content teams work structure when perhaps zos just needs to bite the bullet and increase the performance teams budget until these issues are solved.

I can agree with this but they don't seem to be biting the bullet at all and putting the proper resources where they are needed most. And no, I do not think it takes three months to make a dlc. Just like I don't think it takes 3 to 4 years to deal with performance issues. Which they did by leaving the problems they knew about years ago to grow into this mess.

How many times did we complain about servers?

Amira

kargen27 wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Those two things are not related. The people who are in charge of the game engine/servers are not the same people who make new content.

Now if you want to increase the “performance team” budget vs the content team that is a different question. Except that the content team requires years to put out new content.

In a recent presentation it was stated they actually have two teams going each hop scotching the other to produce the major chapters.

I think the people who post these questions think it takes three months to produce these dlcs, it does not. It takes much longer.

I am not sure what value it has to trip up the the content teams work structure when perhaps zos just needs to bite the bullet and increase the performance teams budget until these issues are solved.

It might not be a budget thing though. Sometimes adding more people just adds more problems.

not by adding qualified people.

Elsonso

Both. I want performance increases and my buggy new DLC content.

jazsper77

Look at the WHITE KNIGHTS !!!!! They just laid out a road map blah blah blah . Same stuff we’ve been hearing for 5 plus yrs . All you white knights must be new players or the ones who never experienced any problems ever. GTFO with your bullsh8t.

Please will the White Knights tell us where the new EU hardware is that was promised in The Road ahead ???

Or furthermore please show us any major fixes to the servers in general.

logarifmik

And also do something with the base story. Make Vestige's storyline more consistent. Each time new DLC comes up it becomes messier and messier.

BlueRaven

jazsper77 wrote: »

Look at the WHITE KNIGHTS !!!!! They just laid out a road map blah blah blah . Same stuff we’ve been hearing for 5 plus yrs . All you white knights must be new players or the ones who never experienced any problems ever. GTFO with your bullsh8t.

Please will the White Knights tell us where the new EU hardware is that was promised in The Road ahead ???

Or furthermore please show us any major fixes to the servers in general.

It is possible that they added the new servers, but it did not fix the performance issues as expected. (I should also note I do not play on the EU servers so I am not really understanding what the issues actually are.)

And I am hardly a white knight. I think the new racials are horrible on many, many levels and the new "balances" are just dumb, particularly with tanks and healers. Also there is glaring issues with the Mac client which should never have made it to live AND will still be unresolved with the new patch.

I DO NOT think Zos is doing a good job with the new balances, and I really think the combat team needs to fix a lot of the issues they have created and will create with the new patch. But I am also reasonable enough to understand how video games are complicated beasts and fixing performance issues can be tricky.

Elsonso

BlueRaven wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

Look at the WHITE KNIGHTS !!!!! They just laid out a road map blah blah blah . Same stuff we’ve been hearing for 5 plus yrs . All you white knights must be new players or the ones who never experienced any problems ever. GTFO with your bullsh8t.

Please will the White Knights tell us where the new EU hardware is that was promised in The Road ahead ???

Or furthermore please show us any major fixes to the servers in general.

It is possible that they added the new servers, but it did not fix the performance issues as expected. (I should also note I do not play on the EU servers so I am not really understanding what the issues actually are.)

I figure that they added the hardware they said they were going to add, and that includes additional hardware for NA servers, as well. That seems to have solved the problem that they said they were trying to correct, since I have not had a login queue on EU or NA since then. Before that, I would get the queue on EU.

We have been told, and it has been pretty obvious, that the performance issues are not really hardware bound. They seem to be software limitations, and that is a recurring theme through the work they have laid out for the year ahead.

kargen27

Amira wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Those two things are not related. The people who are in charge of the game engine/servers are not the same people who make new content.

Now if you want to increase the “performance team” budget vs the content team that is a different question. Except that the content team requires years to put out new content.

In a recent presentation it was stated they actually have two teams going each hop scotching the other to produce the major chapters.

I think the people who post these questions think it takes three months to produce these dlcs, it does not. It takes much longer.

I am not sure what value it has to trip up the the content teams work structure when perhaps zos just needs to bite the bullet and increase the performance teams budget until these issues are solved.

It might not be a budget thing though. Sometimes adding more people just adds more problems.

not by adding qualified people.

yes even adding more qualified people can cause problems. Ever heard the phrase to many cooks in the kitchen? When a little tweak in one area can have an affect in other areas you don't need a lot of people tweaking things.

billp_ESO

Fixing performance is an engine problem. I doubt ZoS has the ability to actually fix it. It would probably be a massive cost, if they still have enough engine talent to do it.

It is much easier to create new DLC. And even easier to put stuff in crates or the store.

Billdor

Amira wrote: »

Like the title says which do you feel Zos should be spending their pennies on, fixing the worst performance across all platforms for a fun smooth playable game or another bug infested dlc?

Poll is anonymous

"No I want more nerfs and a new DLC", nice way to push out your sarcastic agenda.

Huyen

Heading back to Skyrim untill they fix this sorry mess they call an elder scrolls game.

Blackleopardex

Amira wrote: »

Like the title says which do you feel Zos should be spending their pennies on, fixing the worst performance across all platforms for a fun smooth playable game or another bug infested dlc?

Poll is anonymous

Why do people keep making this kiddo trash polls, I have never seen so much trash polls since I started browsing these forums. Maybe someone should make a guide... And no, I never vote on these whatever it is about.

Billdor

Huyen wrote: »

Heading back to Skyrim untill they fix this sorry mess they call an elder scrolls game.

And you think Skyrim is perfect?

MartiniDaniels

Solution:
1. Lease new server(s)
2. Copy all accounts to new server and allow players to select which server will be theirs for next 3 months
3. Repeat at each new update
4. In case of player population decreases over time, get rid off leased servers

Problem solved. Yeah there will be guild/friends issues, but I guess organized groups can transfer all together.

Kuratius

ZOS probably won't fix performance because some of the issues also stem from underlying design decisions, like using a slow scripting language instead of native code and running damage calculations on their servers instead of their clients.

At best they'll reduce the amount of skills players are able to cast at a time and call that a performance fix, even though it degrades the game.