Im Sick of this......

ezio45

Power Surge. Were nerfing that now? Just delete Sorcerer as a class, it will be less painful.

This isnt a class anymore, its not a viable class anymore. You took shields, you took dots, you took frags stun, off-balance, runecage.

and now you hand us this pile of ***......

Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.


This isnt a usable class, we have frag and curse..... Shields are garbage, no self heal, no self buffs, trash sustain, no stuns. Forget being competitive with other classes. This just isnt a class, Its nothing. There is nothing sorcerer offers to make it a choice among other classes. Ever patch though you take what is even slightly useful on sorcerer and nerf it into the ground while preaching to wow refugees and noobs that they can play as they want, WHEN HALF OF YOUR CLASSES ARNT VIABLE for anything other than questing. Never mind playing diverse or interesting builds when even the meta for clases arnt viable options.

The combat team is the most incompetent group of developers i have ever seen in a game. (Feel free to ban me mods, this forum seems to consistently have an issue with players speaking the truth). Not only are you failing to give players changes they want or to give them "more meaningful option" for making characters and playstyles that your consistently preaching to us about as excuses for nerf out of left field that cripplingly restricts our existing options. You dont even deliver us playable classes patch to patch. Sorc, magden, magcro, magblade are all trash as far as there toolsets to make a build out of. The most mind blowing this is that sorc and magblade didnt start out like that. You managed to take solid classes that worked well and completely ruin them.

Seriously, what can you make with those that can even fulfill a role in game? Never mind play any role you want with them. They dont make good dps, magden and magcro can BARELY pass as a healer in the loosest of its requirements, Mag tanking as a whole is trash and will get you insta kicked from even a normal dungeon.

You have class reps to tell you how stupid the *** your pulling is and you still manage to be this royally incompetent.

Start actually listening to your player base and i dont mean, oh we hear your outrage and these changes are to give players more meaningful options but ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT WHAT PLAYERS WANT AND DONT IMPLEMENT *** LIKE THIS. Fix sorcerer and make it competitive and viable. Fix mag and make it competitive and viable. Quit doing dumb ***. FFS

Davor

As long as you are respectful, the mods will not ban you for your opinion. These are big boys and girls and they allow us to talk about our displeasure. Just be respectful about it and no ban.

No reason not to be respectful though.

siddique

Nothing's gonna happen. I'm retiring my main toon this patch. Hopefully stamcro wouldn't be so *** because they still want to sell Elsweyr.

ezio45

siddique wrote: »

Nothing's gonna happen. I'm retiring my main toon this patch. Hopefully stamcro wouldn't be so *** because they still want to sell Elsweyr.

For real lol I quit after nerfmire, just came bad to check out magcro which is awful and now their pulling this trash....

Kurat

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

ezio45

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

im talking about the nonpet version

ForsakenSin

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

Yes nerf down sub par classes so they match already nerfd class ..well done...





FFS how about ..ohh i don't know BUFF UP THOSE NERFED CLASSES TO BE ON PAR WITH SO CALLED "OP" CLASSES"

Gronk

pissing off sorcs is how you get a zoo in town. Sorcs will slot two pets in addition to crown store pet and riding big ass bear and you have a petting zoo in your face at every stall and banker.They have done it before and will do it again the Great sorc protest about streak changes will be a mere shadow compared to what they are fully capable of when angered.

Alienoutlaw

I have played Magsorc since i started playing back at console launch, now on the PC for just over a year, i still play a Magsorc, i have played through every nerf Zos threw at them but this is the final nail in the coffin.

I dont claim to be an expert in the game but from the 4yrs of playing both versions of the game i can say this much
Sorcs have slowly turned into the "joke" class, for those sheep that follow the Meta of a few build sites, with builds such as the VMA 1 bar flawless build, or the duel pet PvP cheese build, these served only to add fuel to an already growing fire that Magsorc was OP, and was only played by ppl that lacked any skill in the game, the same ppl that instead of learning how to counter play a Magsorc in PVP (like we have had to do with NB's, Mag/Stamplars and DK's) they cried NERF and then johnny jump on board screamed NERF because everyone else was without any other reason than that. what they cant kill or get killed by must be wrong because they have the latest META so if a Magsorc can kill them its the Magsorc at fault (god forbid they just may not be good at the game).

Now, take the current state of play in PvP lets say you want to build a new Alt, "whats the best gear set up" ect ect is a question that is floated around EVERY social media platform and forum, and currently NO MATTER the race or class the same 3 sets come up WITHOUT fail, so EVERYONE in PVP is wearing the same set up, so along comes a Magsorc with an ounce of free will and a set up put together knowing everyone is wearing X,Y and Z and can out play them, its not because we are OP not at all its because the "SHEEP" all use the same bars, the same "HUG A ROCK" tactics so we learned to out play you with the tools we have!! and the cycle begins again with the next META (or Fashion as i like to call it) again it cant possibly be because they cant play so its the Magsorc that must be OP so complain their "immortal DK" isnt so immortal anymore, so we get nerfed to please the sheep and the writers of the SHEEP guides dont look silly until the next META and so on and so forth.

and for all those that will say this nerf is needed/good try playing a non pet build in PVP (like most of us do) without any self heals see how well you do.
Anyhoo thats my 2cents you can agree or not thats your choice if you want to critique feel free but keep it sensible so this thread stays open atleast another day for constructive debate

edited for spelling

Adernath

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

What a BS is this???

Beardimus

Adernath wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

What a BS is this???

It's what you have to deal with if you talk about sorc on this forum.
There's a default state with a portion of the community that sorc have been persistently OP from launch to now, despite any empirical evidence, vMA high scores being other classes, DPS parses other classes, the years when pet sorcs weren't allowed in vet trials etc etc etc etc yet the denial persists.

I'm not saying sorcs don't have their moment, but the point is what ever you say whenever in the last 4+ years you get this response.

Sorcs are noob killers, and noobs hate them....

SickleCider

Gronk wrote: »

pissing off sorcs is how you get a zoo in town. Sorcs will slot two pets in addition to crown store pet and riding big ass bear and you have a petting zoo in your face at every stall and banker.They have done it before and will do it again the Great sorc protest about streak changes will be a mere shadow compared to what they are fully capable of when angered.

I suggest the dragon imp to ensure the maximum amount of flapping about. Idk about bears but I do have a giant Wild Hunt camel that spits and farts flowers.

Androconium

Davor wrote: »

As long as you are respectful, the mods will not ban you for your opinion. These are big boys and girls and they allow us to talk about our displeasure. Just be respectful about it and no ban.

No reason not to be respectful though.

*** off !!
We're paying actual cash for this ***.

Respect is earned.

ThePedge

Barely got any nerfs, couple of skills balanced and Power Surge changed to make MagSorc more viable for other roles.

Calm down.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

This was bound to come my main a fire mage dumner dk has been ripped apart for a year now, flame damage down, wings nurfed etc, now its the sorc's turn

Sleep

the only thing that class reps do is telling the developers what is overpowered and needs a nerf

agegarton

I think you need to read the full patch notes. There are two morphs for this skill - depending on which you use regularly, or by switching, the change is minimal. If anything, it adds diversity to the skill base which is what was intended (from what I have read).

And to those who say Sorc is OP, or a joke class, and everything in between: well, friends, you can’t all be right, can you? How about this: Sorc is as good and as bad as any class, which is to say that with the right about of talent and the right gear, you can either be great or rubbish, or somewhere in between.

I say that as someone who has played every class since the beta, and who has progressed from being rubbish to being distinctly mediocre.

TriangularChicken

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

Sorcs are OP AF because they are using Power Surge - you heard it here first ladies and gentlemen

I guess this guy doesn't know how often the heal actually procs to say stupid stuff like this lol

bearbelly

I'm sick of seeing multiple threads on the exact same topic on the front page of the forum.
Why do people feel the need to make their own very special thread about a particular topic when there are already multiple active discussions about that topic?

Van_Winkle

ezio45 wrote: »

Power Surge. Were nerfing that now? Just delete Sorcerer as a class, it will be less painful.

This isnt a class anymore, its not a viable class anymore. You took shields, you took dots, you took frags stun, off-balance, runecage.

and now you hand us this pile of ***......

Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.


This isnt a usable class, we have frag and curse..... Shields are garbage, no self heal, no self buffs, trash sustain, no stuns. Forget being competitive with other classes. This just isnt a class, Its nothing. There is nothing sorcerer offers to make it a choice among other classes. Ever patch though you take what is even slightly useful on sorcerer and nerf it into the ground while preaching to wow refugees and noobs that they can play as they want, WHEN HALF OF YOUR CLASSES ARNT VIABLE for anything other than questing. Never mind playing diverse or interesting builds when even the meta for clases arnt viable options.

The combat team is the most incompetent group of developers i have ever seen in a game. (Feel free to ban me mods, this forum seems to consistently have an issue with players speaking the truth). Not only are you failing to give players changes they want or to give them "more meaningful option" for making characters and playstyles that your consistently preaching to us about as excuses for nerf out of left field that cripplingly restricts our existing options. You dont even deliver us playable classes patch to patch. Sorc, magden, magcro, magblade are all trash as far as there toolsets to make a build out of. The most mind blowing this is that sorc and magblade didnt start out like that. You managed to take solid classes that worked well and completely ruin them.

Seriously, what can you make with those that can even fulfill a role in game? Never mind play any role you want with them. They dont make good dps, magden and magcro can BARELY pass as a healer in the loosest of its requirements, Mag tanking as a whole is trash and will get you insta kicked from even a normal dungeon.

You have class reps to tell you how stupid the *** your pulling is and you still manage to be this royally incompetent.

Start actually listening to your player base and i dont mean, oh we hear your outrage and these changes are to give players more meaningful options but ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT WHAT PLAYERS WANT AND DONT IMPLEMENT *** LIKE THIS. Fix sorcerer and make it competitive and viable. Fix mag and make it competitive and viable. Quit doing dumb ***. FFS

Welcome to mana nb world of pain.

redlink1979

And I'm sick of click bait titles....

MajBludd

Stop asking for nerfs to other classes, not you in general, OP. Seems we have 2 "nerf things into the ground" groups. The nerf sorc group and the nerf nb group.
They both need to pipe down for a bit, it would seem.

Grianasteri

ThePedge wrote: »

Barely got any nerfs, couple of skills balanced and Power Surge changed to make MagSorc more viable for other roles.

Calm down.

You clearly have a lack of knowledge regarding magsorc, no pet builds and gameplay.

Powersurge change does not in any way make magsorc more viable for other roles.

This is a massive nerf to sorcs, which I have been maining as a dps for over 4 years on and off, playing through every iteration and update without criticism. But this is unequivocally a massive nerf to sorcs survivability and viability.

Gnome_Saiyan

I haven't read the full patch notes yet, so if someone could tell me, I'd be grateful. The answer to my question about the changes to Power Surge may very well determine if I continue playing this game. My question:

Do I still get the awesome lightning hands?

Betty_Booms

Lmao. They pidgeon hiled this skillinto a healing build for mag sorcs.... Im sorry.... mag sorcs wont be used for healing and this certainly wont change that... Now mag doesnt have a reliable surge heal anymore....wonder how vMA will go now.

Idinuse

ezio45 wrote: »

Power Surge. Were nerfing that now? Just delete Sorcerer as a class, it will be less painful.

This isnt a class anymore, its not a viable class anymore. You took shields, you took dots, you took frags stun, off-balance, runecage.

and now you hand us this pile of ***......

Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.


This isnt a usable class, we have frag and curse..... Shields are garbage, no self heal, no self buffs, trash sustain, no stuns. Forget being competitive with other classes. This just isnt a class, Its nothing. There is nothing sorcerer offers to make it a choice among other classes. Ever patch though you take what is even slightly useful on sorcerer and nerf it into the ground while preaching to wow refugees and noobs that they can play as they want, WHEN HALF OF YOUR CLASSES ARNT VIABLE for anything other than questing. Never mind playing diverse or interesting builds when even the meta for clases arnt viable options.

The combat team is the most incompetent group of developers i have ever seen in a game. (Feel free to ban me mods, this forum seems to consistently have an issue with players speaking the truth). Not only are you failing to give players changes they want or to give them "more meaningful option" for making characters and playstyles that your consistently preaching to us about as excuses for nerf out of left field that cripplingly restricts our existing options. You dont even deliver us playable classes patch to patch. Sorc, magden, magcro, magblade are all trash as far as there toolsets to make a build out of. The most mind blowing this is that sorc and magblade didnt start out like that. You managed to take solid classes that worked well and completely ruin them.

Seriously, what can you make with those that can even fulfill a role in game? Never mind play any role you want with them. They dont make good dps, magden and magcro can BARELY pass as a healer in the loosest of its requirements, Mag tanking as a whole is trash and will get you insta kicked from even a normal dungeon.

You have class reps to tell you how stupid the *** your pulling is and you still manage to be this royally incompetent.

Start actually listening to your player base and i dont mean, oh we hear your outrage and these changes are to give players more meaningful options but ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT WHAT PLAYERS WANT AND DONT IMPLEMENT *** LIKE THIS. Fix sorcerer and make it competitive and viable. Fix mag and make it competitive and viable. Quit doing dumb ***. FFS

All the incompetent whine babies did it again. Killed an entire class due to not having any clue about the game outside of their YouTube builds.

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Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

I'm not touching Sorcerers anymore. Mistress Ewona is last in the character list, under my mules and RP toons now.

Alienoutlaw

Gnome_Saiyan wrote: »

I haven't read the full patch notes yet, so if someone could tell me, I'd be grateful. The answer to my question about the changes to Power Surge may very well determine if I continue playing this game. My question:

Do I still get the awesome lightning hands?

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: This ability and the Ball of Lightning morph’s stun are now also, as advertise, unblockable.
Surge:
Power Surge (morph): This morph now grants its healing to up to 6 targets, but will trigger off Critical Heals rather than Critical Damage. The cooldown is 3 seconds rather than 1, to ensure it offers similar healing to other AoE heal over times.

as i said the issue is with the crit heal proc impossible to proc as a DPS (unless you run a resto or twilight)

The_Lex

There's a serious problem when you have to drop Liquid Lightning (a signature Sorc skill since beta) in favor of guild skills in order to hit an end game parse.

Edit: on PTS

Itzmichi

Androconium wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

As long as you are respectful, the mods will not ban you for your opinion. These are big boys and girls and they allow us to talk about our displeasure. Just be respectful about it and no ban.

No reason not to be respectful though.

*** off !!
We're paying actual cash for this ***.

Respect is earned.

Yeah, sorry to inform you, you just skipped your payday.

Tyrion87

Kurat wrote: »

Sorcs are OP af in pvp and pve both. The nerf was long overdue. Everywhere you go there's them damn birds flapping in your face. This nerf will hopefully bring sorc numbers down with other classes.

You have literally no idea about sorcs at all. And yet you came here and spread nonsense. As for the matriarchs for your information: sorcs do not want or like using them. They are FORCED to slot pets because they are their only reliable heal. Lack of reliable self heals that are not a pet is one of the biggest sorc problems. Surge change just makes it even bigger.

To the OP: this thread might feel like an overreaction but sadly... it's all true what you wrote. At this point sorcs are just a collection of passives (and half of them are not even useful).

Alienoutlaw

@Tyrion87 couldnt agree with you more, i use the scamp personally in PvE and a non pet build in PVP and Power surge is a vital self sustain skill, i would rather not have to run pets at all as the very fact they have to be double slotted (no other class has this with ANY skill) already ties up slots i could use more effectively