magsorc discussion

oldfarmer

why magsorcs stay at the top tier in pvp for such long time and ppl seems ok with it?
I mean not whinning or anything, I plays sorc myself. but getting tired so I switch to other toons. I just find that magsorcs r just always be the easy mode for this game in open world pvp or bg.
they r not always best at 1v1, but the shield and streak and the super fast and easy burst just makes my life feels so much better. It is just much more easy to kill and survive.

To be honest, when I were main sorc, I just thought that some of other classes so hard to kill and ppl who complain for buffing r just whinning. but once I got my hands on like stam dk I find that no matter how tanky they r, they just don't have the same comfort I use to they might be little tanky than my sorc but they can't disengage , and their burst and reach just so limited , sometimes just fustrating to play.

all in all, mag sorc seems just has no major weakness, which makes me just kinda feel unfair and sry for other classes

Donny_Vito

Magic Regen is not good on a MagSorc, so that is one weakness.

_Medusa_

@oldfarmer

Did you see some of the upcoming changes for sorc:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/483597/pts-patch-notes-v5-1-0#latest

Idinuse

Nerf nerf nerf nerf I can’t be bothered to learn counters nerf nerf nerf nerf. Stamina.

Anyron

Why magsorc seems strong?

Magsorc seems strong because it is something completely different than other magbuilds. And, it remains last playable magicka class - pvp is dominated by stamina.

I ask you if you can sometimes count how many stamina players and Magicka players you meet when playing solo. ( only solo because in raid, everyone can just push one button to win)

Then you will see majority of players are stamina - and theres reason to it. Its much easier to put much more to primary resource when that resource is both for deff and att.
Sure, you can burn faster through your Stamina, but you can regen it back fast because you have just one regen bar

As magicka, you must put something to stamina for CC. (And only CC since dodge roll is limited and sprint is almost banned for magbuilds in no-cp). If you wanna use CC break every 4seconds ( i think that is duration of CC immunity [maybe 5]) in noCp cyrodiil, your Stamina is drained by 60% for every CC break and you have to get it back every 4s. This requires high stamina regen.


Sorc on other hand can bypass it with streak + dark deal. Other magicka classes have problem with mobility. Thats why sorcerer remains strong. Mobility is important factor in pvp.

NinchiTV

Plenty of weaknesses for sorc, if your a med build dodge their frags/flame reach. If youre in heavy block their frags. Magsorcs dont have anything to deal with snares so you have to be aggressive with them and put them on defense. If you dont have a snare or cc ya they'll out use their movement keep you at a distance which is where they want you. Lastly, go offense when you see their shield is down. Most magsorcs with 40k+ mag with 25k hp have 6k shield in cp pvp and 4k harness so ya you gotta have burst to get through that.

NocturnalSonata

Anyron wrote: »

Why magsorc seems strong?

Magsorc seems strong because it is something completely different than other magbuilds. And, it remains last playable magicka class - pvp is dominated by stamina.
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The less said about pve the better in this regard, it is seriously lopsided... I am not sure why zos has never adressed the problem with sorc, in particular petsorc: = stop shield stacking, rework LOS. but nope, so pets become useless, and sorc loses a major part of its identity.

Anyron

NocturnalSonata wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Why magsorc seems strong?

Magsorc seems strong because it is something completely different than other magbuilds. And, it remains last playable magicka class - pvp is dominated by stamina.
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The less said about pve the better in this regard, it is seriously lopsided... I am not sure why zos has never adressed the problem with sorc, in particular petsorc: = stop shield stacking, rework LOS. but nope, so pets become useless, and sorc loses a major part of its identity.

Shieldstacking was bad. And harness magicka nerf was deserved. Now they buffed it again. I am not sure why

Pets were used only just for healing (i am talking about majority of single petsorcs in pvp) and that was fixed by RR buff.


Btw petsorc shieldstacker? Some troll build? I wanna see how you fit it on your skillbars

Grandma

clearly we need to buff stamina, nerf mag classes, and remove healers. Then magsorcs won't be a problem in bgs!

TheHsN

You cant kill sorcerers right ???!!!

Sorcerer is not the best or others.
Just Stamina is little better shaped than Magicka. If you play with all classes enough time you are going to learn how to kill other classes if you are a better player than the other you fight. It doesn't matter that much it is Magicka DK or Magicka NB. it is important is it Magicka or Stamina...

Because people don't know how to play, they ask nerfs
The sad part is ZOS listens

Urzigurumash

Anyron wrote: »

Then you will see majority of players are stamina - and theres reason to it.

Since Gygax and Arneson first released D&D, weapons-based "stamina" characters have composed a higher percentage of PCs and NPCs in almost every single Western RPG. I don't think game mechanics is always the reason why.

Stamina players require magicka for buffs and class healing skills. I believe the Mag vs Stam debate is very much a "grass is always greener" debate.

SirAndy

oldfarmer wrote: »

... I mean not whinning or anything ....

Yes, you are.

But fear not, MagSorcs and in particular PetSorcs are getting the nerf hammer with the next update so all will be good again in PvP land ...

AuraNebula

SirAndy wrote: »

oldfarmer wrote: »

... I mean not whinning or anything ....

Yes, you are.

But fear not, MagSorcs and in particular PetSorcs are getting the nerf hammer with the next update so all will be good again in PvP land ...

People will never stop complaining about magsorcs in pvp.

Anyron

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Then you will see majority of players are stamina - and theres reason to it.

Since Gygax and Arneson first released D&D, weapons-based "stamina" characters have composed a higher percentage of PCs and NPCs in almost every single Western RPG. I don't think game mechanics is always the reason why.

Stamina players require magicka for buffs and class healing skills. I believe the Mag vs Stam debate is very much a "grass is always greener" debate.

As i know only dk use class heals which cost magicka, and thats possible because its scaled by health. Templar honour of dead isnt reliable because it targets other players but it gives you back 60% of magicka spent

Because of heal scaling of max stat only dumb stamina players could use other magicka based class heals. That is just excuse. You have vigor and rally (next patch only vigor - but heavily buffed)

Because magicka defensive skills (shields) were again nerfed and because magicka cannot use heavy sets like fury or legion it is in worse position than before. Protective jewelry and pirate skeleton nerf cannot be justified by buffing rapid regen because vigor is just as strong

Right now stamina has much better damage, better heavy sets, superior movement, plenty of resources to dodge roll, block and sprint and equal heals to magicka.

What have magicka now? Nerfed shields?

oldfarmer

SirAndy wrote: »

oldfarmer wrote: »

... I mean not whinning or anything ....

Yes, you are.

But fear not, MagSorcs and in particular PetSorcs are getting the nerf hammer with the next update so all will be good again in PvP land ...

Iam a sorc myself and Im not asking nerf or anything, just wondering how may other class get a chance.

oldfarmer

TheHsN wrote: »

You cant kill sorcerers right ???!!!

Sorcerer is not the best or others.
Just Stamina is little better shaped than Magicka. If you play with all classes enough time you are going to learn how to kill other classes if you are a better player than the other you fight. It doesn't matter that much it is Magicka DK or Magicka NB. it is important is it Magicka or Stamina...

Because people don't know how to play, they ask nerfs
The sad part is ZOS listens

I mean just enough with the l2p comments, I played this game since beta, maybe not best player but I know how to play. and for real, just tell me how can u kill a mag sorc that dont wanna die. I can just streak away uses terrain that nobody else can use and keep my shield in check no one would be able to kill me in that situation. If u r talking about dueling then magsorc may not be the best, but again, If i got full pet build, it is also a pain in the ass, but usally ppl ban this in duel cuz it is to op and annoying

SirAndy

oldfarmer wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

You cant kill sorcerers right ???!!!
Sorcerer is not the best or others.
Just Stamina is little better shaped than Magicka. If you play with all classes enough time you are going to learn how to kill other classes if you are a better player than the other you fight. It doesn't matter that much it is Magicka DK or Magicka NB. it is important is it Magicka or Stamina...
Because people don't know how to play, they ask nerfs
The sad part is ZOS listens

I mean just enough with the l2p comments, I played this game since beta, maybe not best player but I know how to play. and for real, just tell me how can u kill a mag sorc that dont wanna die. I can just streak away uses terrain that nobody else can use and keep my shield in check no one would be able to kill me in that situation. If u r talking about dueling then magsorc may not be the best, but again, If i got full pet build, it is also a pain in the ass, but usally ppl ban this in duel cuz it is to op and annoying

I already told you this is all going to get nerfed with the next patch because of threads just like this one.

You won, Mag Sorcs will be dead, pop a cold one and pat yourself on the shoulder, good job!

oldfarmer

SirAndy wrote: »

oldfarmer wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

You cant kill sorcerers right ???!!!
Sorcerer is not the best or others.
Just Stamina is little better shaped than Magicka. If you play with all classes enough time you are going to learn how to kill other classes if you are a better player than the other you fight. It doesn't matter that much it is Magicka DK or Magicka NB. it is important is it Magicka or Stamina...
Because people don't know how to play, they ask nerfs
The sad part is ZOS listens

I mean just enough with the l2p comments, I played this game since beta, maybe not best player but I know how to play. and for real, just tell me how can u kill a mag sorc that dont wanna die. I can just streak away uses terrain that nobody else can use and keep my shield in check no one would be able to kill me in that situation. If u r talking about dueling then magsorc may not be the best, but again, If i got full pet build, it is also a pain in the ass, but usally ppl ban this in duel cuz it is to op and annoying

I already told you this is all going to get nerfed with the next patch because of threads just like this one.

You won, Mag Sorcs will be dead, pop a cold one and pat yourself on the shoulder, good job!

man I think mag sorc got buffed and I ll play it for next patch, the heal power I get from healing staff, and the entropy offered me not only burst dmg but also really got dot pressure, and unblockable streak, my sorc will rock next patch

siddique

Sigh, not again.

Betty_Booms

Something tells me templars will be hot property next patch. What better to have in a dot meta...

Now since aoes got nerfed, good luck with your sorc against a team of rolly pollies with a templar....

And streak may be a two edged sword that leaves us in range of a group instead keeping a safe distance. Do you build tankier to account for this? Good luck bursting someone down with buffs to vigor and nerf to clench.

A sorc will always be a kill target due to its execute, lack of sustain and squishyness...

Im not entirely sure what my mag sorc will bring to the table next patch. Im hoping the surge change will make it a viable healer but you may aswell take a stam sorc which is better dps, healing etc....

NordJitsu

I feel like this has to be a troll thread and OP definitely doesn’t play MagSorc.

The top classes right now are Heavy Armor DK (Stam or Magicka) and heavy Necro, followed by Medium Stamblade.

Sorcs have always had weak self healing. Now they have weak damage mitigation and Power Surge was nerfed into uselessness. MagSorc is down there with Stamplar now for weakest class.