Swotor Legacy family tree?

SatansPegasus

Short question Would people be interested in this if implemented properly?

BrooksP

It would be best to give a short synopsis on what it actually is, for those who either never played or don't remember.

Araneae6537

SatansPegasus wrote: »

Short question Would people be interested in this if implemented properly?

No. It didn’t add anything for me. I did make characters that in RP were related in some way to another character of mine or of a friend. The legacy didn’t add anything to this (at least not that I can recall) and could only involve your own characters.

idk

The legacy family tree in SWTOR was always pretty pointless and meaningless. There is no reason to duplicate that here.

If OP wants to reply to this and point out they are suggesting it be implemented properly, either context that is just as meaningful as SWTORS family tree.

barney2525

It really doesn't "do" anything except tie the characters on an account together as a family. You lay out the tree, with one character matriarch/patriarch having the family Single Word base Name. So all the characters can have that added to whatever name they already use if they want to.

You got sons/daughters/adopted/friends etc

Its kinda neat for flavor. Never really understood what gaining the legacy xp really does.

IMHO - It's kind of 'Meh' to me.

But some people might like it

TheShadowScout

idk wrote: »

The legacy family tree in SWTOR was always pretty pointless and meaningless. There is no reason to duplicate that here.

Agreed.

I mean, it makes sense for those few who want all their characters to be in relation to each other... "that sith assassin is actually the daughter of my sith juggernaut, and that sniper is her boyfriend" kind of thing... but in ESO, a great many characters will be standalone heroes, so...

armyissue69

You can just name your toons all the same last name now...I don’t really see any other point

WeerW3ir

Would make sense. But for what? RP? Otherwise what kind or role it would have in the game? I mean your char cannot make love interest with npc's.... (next time. nairu, next time... ) ...neither with other player, and the rings are just pure roleplay here. and 10% xp. nothing more.


This was supposed to be in the game from the beginning.
What they should add now is a Bestiary

Gronk

Do not forget the legacy tree allows you to share heroic buffs very useful it is. I think If you look under the legacy tree your light side characters will get the equivalent buff. Let me log on and check. Been playing that since launch great game good for long term like this one.

Dusk_Coven

Bestiary sounds good ESPECIALLY if you can link it for someone else to see.

So if you're in a dungeon and the rest of the team is dying, link your bestiary entry so they can read the mechanics.

jainiadral

barney2525 wrote: »

It really doesn't "do" anything except tie the characters on an account together as a family. You lay out the tree, with one character matriarch/patriarch having the family Single Word base Name. So all the characters can have that added to whatever name they already use if they want to.

You got sons/daughters/adopted/friends etc

Its kinda neat for flavor. Never really understood what gaining the legacy xp really does.

IMHO - It's kind of 'Meh' to me.

But some people might like it

Legaacy XP/levels unlocked legacy- based perks like instant quick travel. Really useful. The tree thing was fun for a lot of people. I think it would work a lot better here because the Vestige's history is a total blank. Putting mommy and son Sith warriors through the same SWTOR story never really made sense to me, especially if little sis was a Republic smuggler

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Would make sense. But for what? RP? Otherwise what kind or role it would have in the game? I mean your char cannot make love interest with npc's.... (next time. nairu, next time... ) ...neither with other player, and the rings are just pure roleplay here. and 10% xp. nothing more.


This was supposed to be in the game from the beginning.
What they should add now is a Bestiary

I would love love love this

Path

I can't see how this would help RP. We can't even write a bio that is visible to others ingame.

Danikat

So this is a way of making it official that your characters are related? Why? In ESO you can already give your character two or more names, so you can already give them the same family name if you want to.

Gronk

I just logged back into swtor and yes legacy force things can be shared. Legacy force choke very nice. It can be useful for classes that do not have access to immobilizers.Unnatural might and sprint also are good legacy buffs that help toughen up non tank characters. Usually on the all force classes by the end of chapter 3 you will have a heroic legacy combat buff and move to pass on to other members of your legacy.

However if you are in a serious RP Jedi guild and your Consulate uses force choke you might have some explaining to do to the GM as to how you know such a dark side thing. RP very serious over there way more than faction here.Like dox you and send kink toys to your house serious.

bluebird

I would have loved it if ESO introduced the SWTOR Legacy system! Once you unlocked a datacron (world collectible that gives you a permanent stat boost) you'd have access to it on your alts as well. However... ESO went in the opposite direction. Not only do you not get Skyshard unlocks for your alts, they even monetized the system Not only does ESO not have an account-wide Fighters' Guild etc progress, they're going to monetize that too in the next update, while SWTOR made reputations Legacy-wide.

It would be nice but ESO's never going to implement this, so I'll suggest something even more radical... (it will never happen but it's fun to speculate). You know how leveling up a certain race in SWTOR unlocked that character for your Legacy (meaning you could use that race to create a class that wouldn't normally have access to it - e.g. Pureblood Sith Jedi Knight) ... why not unlock racial passives for your account? Say, if you level a Dunmer and an Altmer, you unlock those racial passives for your ESO legacy... and your Argonian alt could choose if they want to use Argonian racials, Dunmer racials, or Altmer racials.

They could add the Any-Race-Any-Alliance into this hypothetical ESO legacy system too. So if you leveled up a Dominion Bosmer, you unlock Bosmer for the Covenant and the Pact too. The Crown-Store purchasable Race/Alliance restriction unlock could still exist as a timesaving convenience option for people who don't want to earn the option through a legacy system of course.

So yeah, never gonna happen. And if you only meant the character-relation part of the Legacy System then there wouldn't even be much point in it.

Gronk

@bluebird I like the way you think

dar legacy here also nox legacy and requiem nex legacy. Server move make linking legacies possible

And no one gets upset if your level 70 sith assassin picks flowers. This game could learn from SWTOR on listening to players about adding functionality with content. The option to flag for world pvp is great as it allows you to engage in mutual combat anywhere even in the tatooine porta potties.

mobility(Mounts) is great in that you share progress across characters versus the compartmentalization that is here. But this game is what it is and I enjoy it for what it is now, Anything else is just gravy on the Roasted Khajiit pot pie.

Dusk_Coven

SatansPegasus wrote: »

Short question Would people be interested in this if implemented properly?

Are you talking about the whole system of Legacy is SWTOR or specifically the family tree feature?
None of the Legacy features such as legacy-wide (i.e., account-wide) achievements are tied to the family tree builder per se.

tahol10069

Family tree no, as it is a pretty useless thing. LEGACY yes. It is one of the best parts of SWTOR.

bearbelly

I don't know if they changed it after I stopped playing last year, but I felt that the family tree was too limited to be of any use to me.

So unless ZOS were to implement a much more robust family tree feature than what SWTOR had, then it would just be a waste of development time. Especially since it's just a "flavor" element.

TheShadowScout

tahol10069 wrote: »

Family tree no, as it is a pretty useless thing. LEGACY yes. It is one of the best parts of SWTOR.

We have the champion system... and we have account wide unlocks for achievement colors, costumes, pets and trinkets... that's pretty much the legacy benefits right there; the general idea of that was to gain something from your alts progress after all, yes?

Altho, I -could- see more to be added along those lines, someday. Like, have an "account achievement opverview" tab on the character selection screen, and give out account wide benefits for multiple completions!

As for the family tree... nah. If anything, they could make that for guilds... let people make a "organigramm tree" for their guilds, give people titles and guild relations... like "these characters from player A and B are apprentices of that higher ranked character from player C who is the guild wizard, and that other character from player C is the guild merchant who is mara-married to the guild leader from player D..." - no effects, just for roleplaying fun. Not like people won't do that anyhow...
But it would still be a pretty useless thing just for fun.

SatansPegasus

idk wrote: »

The legacy family tree in SWTOR was always pretty pointless and meaningless. There is no reason to duplicate that here.

If OP wants to reply to this and point out they are suggesting it be implemented properly, either context that is just as meaningful as SWTORS family tree.

I know people found it pointless and even broken upon the time i stopped playing. An as far as i can remember swtor never had marriage and i know it does now but my thinking is that if we can marry other players via mara. Then wouldn't it be possible to have kids with our spouses and pass on a random passive trait from a parent.

I will admit i have no idea how zeni would do it if they did do it at all but with more suggestions of how it could be implemented and how it would work is at least something to discuss even if it's a pointless discussion.

SatansPegasus

Gronk wrote: »

I just logged back into swtor and yes legacy force things can be shared. Legacy force choke very nice. It can be useful for classes that do not have access to immobilizers.Unnatural might and sprint also are good legacy buffs that help toughen up non tank characters. Usually on the all force classes by the end of chapter 3 you will have a heroic legacy combat buff and move to pass on to other members of your legacy.

However if you are in a serious RP Jedi guild and your Consulate uses force choke you might have some explaining to do to the GM as to how you know such a dark side thing. RP very serious over there way more than faction here.Like dox you and send kink toys to your house serious.

I know how serious the RP can be with some players cause as i stopped playing legacy was in it's infancy but with the guild i joined i started discussion my tree and some of them just logged off right away because my tree were all adopted i had some blood relatives but most were all kids of the street. That a kind family took care off and the fact that i had jedi and sith in the same family did not go down well with people at all and that just made me crack up.

idk

SatansPegasus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The legacy family tree in SWTOR was always pretty pointless and meaningless. There is no reason to duplicate that here.

If OP wants to reply to this and point out they are suggesting it be implemented properly, either context that is just as meaningful as SWTORS family tree.

I know people found it pointless and even broken upon the time i stopped playing. An as far as i can remember swtor never had marriage and i know it does now but my thinking is that if we can marry other players via mara. Then wouldn't it be possible to have kids with our spouses and pass on a random passive trait from a parent.

I will admit i have no idea how zeni would do it if they did do it at all but with more suggestions of how it could be implemented and how it would work is at least something to discuss even if it's a pointless discussion.

Now you are talking about something totally different than you mentioned in your OP.

I would suggest it is not worth the time and money to build out a system for breeding between players. It just sounds messy and Zos would want to avoid the more controversial aspects of this.

Just create a new character and pretend it was the produce of breeding between you and whomever.

Kiralyn2000

Gronk wrote: »

Do not forget the legacy tree allows you to share heroic buffs very useful it is.

Because we need more power creep.

bluebird wrote: »

I would have loved it if ESO introduced the SWTOR Legacy system! Once you unlocked a datacron (world collectible that gives you a permanent stat boost) you'd have access to it on your alts as well. However... ESO went in the opposite direction. Not only do you not get Skyshard unlocks for your alts, they even monetized the system Not only does ESO not have an account-wide Fighters' Guild etc progress, they're going to monetize that too in the next update, while SWTOR made reputations Legacy-wide.

ESO has the Champion Points (you know, stat boosts?) that are shared across your characters. Not everything in SWTOR was account-wide. CP seem more equivalent to datacrons, than skyshards do.

("And they even monetized it!" /eyeroll Because SWToR is such a paragon of not locking stuff behind the cartel shop. Like even being able to equip top-rarity items.)

bluebird

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

I would have loved it if ESO introduced the SWTOR Legacy system! Once you unlocked a datacron (world collectible that gives you a permanent stat boost) you'd have access to it on your alts as well. However... ESO went in the opposite direction. Not only do you not get Skyshard unlocks for your alts, they even monetized the system Not only does ESO not have an account-wide Fighters' Guild etc progress, they're going to monetize that too in the next update, while SWTOR made reputations Legacy-wide.

ESO has the Champion Points (you know, stat boosts?) that are shared across your characters. Not everything in SWTOR was account-wide. CP seem more equivalent to datacrons, than skyshards do.

("And they even monetized it!" /eyeroll Because SWToR is such a paragon of not locking stuff behind the cartel shop. Like even being able to equip top-rarity items.)

The datacrons and skyshards were comparable because they're items hidden (some more hidden than others) in the world, that you need to go out and explore to collect, and they have a tangible effect on your character. Champion points are a post-max-level progression system (kind of similar to SWTOR's Galactic Command Ranks). But as for post-max-level stat increases, at least SWTOR has the decency to call its max level 70 (soon 80) while ESO pretends that the max level is 50 when realistically you're nowhere near done leveling up and getting stats considering most of the endgame is tuned well beyond cp160.

And I never claimed that SWTOR has a spotless track record of monetization (although since I used to be a sub, I never had issues with top-quality items), but it's perfectly fine to point out when a game does something better than the other. SWTOR's housing system would benefit from being more like ESO for example.

Danikat

SatansPegasus wrote: »

Gronk wrote: »

I just logged back into swtor and yes legacy force things can be shared. Legacy force choke very nice. It can be useful for classes that do not have access to immobilizers.Unnatural might and sprint also are good legacy buffs that help toughen up non tank characters. Usually on the all force classes by the end of chapter 3 you will have a heroic legacy combat buff and move to pass on to other members of your legacy.

However if you are in a serious RP Jedi guild and your Consulate uses force choke you might have some explaining to do to the GM as to how you know such a dark side thing. RP very serious over there way more than faction here.Like dox you and send kink toys to your house serious.

I know how serious the RP can be with some players cause as i stopped playing legacy was in it's infancy but with the guild i joined i started discussion my tree and some of them just logged off right away because my tree were all adopted i had some blood relatives but most were all kids of the street. That a kind family took care off and the fact that i had jedi and sith in the same family did not go down well with people at all and that just made me crack up.

You know I could swear I've seen a movie where a Sith and a Jedi were related...

david_m_18b16_ESO

SatansPegasus wrote: »

Short question Would people be interested in this if implemented properly?

CP is close too that. No.

ArchMikem

Khajiiti families work differently than the typical structure as for one, they dont have surnames. Khajiit live in Clans that make up entire villages and towns, with a Clan Mother matriarch at the head. I would assume these clans are either all Cousins, or made up of smaller more unrelated families. Its not so much as "I have a relative from waaay over there" but more "i'm related to this specific Tribe".

SatansPegasus

Danikat wrote: »

SatansPegasus wrote: »

Gronk wrote: »

I just logged back into swtor and yes legacy force things can be shared. Legacy force choke very nice. It can be useful for classes that do not have access to immobilizers.Unnatural might and sprint also are good legacy buffs that help toughen up non tank characters. Usually on the all force classes by the end of chapter 3 you will have a heroic legacy combat buff and move to pass on to other members of your legacy.

However if you are in a serious RP Jedi guild and your Consulate uses force choke you might have some explaining to do to the GM as to how you know such a dark side thing. RP very serious over there way more than faction here.Like dox you and send kink toys to your house serious.

I know how serious the RP can be with some players cause as i stopped playing legacy was in it's infancy but with the guild i joined i started discussion my tree and some of them just logged off right away because my tree were all adopted i had some blood relatives but most were all kids of the street. That a kind family took care off and the fact that i had jedi and sith in the same family did not go down well with people at all and that just made me crack up.

You know I could swear I've seen a movie where a Sith and a Jedi were related...

Me to but some of the people i played with treated that person as an anomaly don't ask me why or how but it was confusing so if you mentioned other non canon sith jedi relations they lost it. I will say though i do miss playing swotor but my current pc can't handle it hell it can just about handle Skyrim pre mods post mods i'm getting 20fps max.