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ESO DEITIES POLL COMPETITION SIGNUPS
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Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
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Alkosh/Akatosh are all the same deity which is why I won't add Alkosh (like how the Khajiit call Mehrunes Dagon "Merrunz" but it's the same daedric prince). I added Alduin becaus Alduin himself claims he's the "first-born of Akatosh" - i.e. he and Akatosh are separate entities.MartiniDaniels wrote: »Alkosh? Though it seems like a "representation" of Auri-El, which is theoretically the same as Akatosh, but since Alduin is separated as distinct "deity", Alkosh can be such deity too.
Given immense impact of Alkosh on ESO gameplay and lore, it can be a worthy contestant.
(throw tomato's at me if I as wrong, it's ok, I perceive lore only from what I see and from 3rd era books)
While he may be a demigod of sorts, I'm not sure that he was ever worshipped as a deity, therefore until someone can prove me wrong on that he's out.HappyTheCamper wrote: »I would like Pelinal Whitestrake included. The dude has to be a demi-god of some sort.
"What's your favourite deity?" can't logically be answered with "no deity", because "no deity" is, by definition, well, not a deity. It COULD be an answer to "What's your favourite ideology?", but then again, this contest isn't about ideologies; it's about deities.No gods, no masters!
Already included as a Divine.Kynareth?
Already included as a daedric Prince.AZURAH!
Added!KillsAllElves wrote: »Anu, no other god besides padomay can stand up to anu! Daedra are not capable of doing so. The dreamer can end it all in an instant.
Added!Where's Rahjin?
From the UESP entry on Sithis: "Sithis (or Padomay) is a representation of the one primordial state of chaos."KillsAllElves wrote: »Also sithis and padomay arent the same.- The All-maker that the Skaal are worshipping and The Greedy Man, his adversary. Added! (Though the Greedy Man is one aspect of the Adversary, so I'm adding the Adversary instead of the Greedy Man)
- The Three Old Gods (the bear, the fox and the wolf) that the Atmorans and Ternion Monks worshipped. Added! But I'm adding all three as one "competitor" since they're worshipped as a team, basically)
- Aldmeri god-ancestor pantheon (those left out so far)
- Auri-El, who fought with the elves against men as opposed to Akatosh who didn't. (We had 1008 years of dragonbreak in the middle dawn because of them being separate!)
- Xarxes, god of Ancestery and knowledge, who kept track of all elven accomplishments and created his wife Oghma from his favorite moments in history.
- Phynaster, who taught the elves how to live a hundred years longer by taking a shorter walking stride
- Syrabane, who helped drive back the sload and the Thrassian plague with his magical ring
- The Hist trees. Added!
- Dragons/Dragoncult. I added Akatosh and Alduin since they are the "main" dragons (or aspects of dragons). Since with Elsweyr we apparently have an inexhaustible supply of dragons, if I started listing all dragons this would be a never-ending contest.
- The Wilderking, worshipped by the Bosmer of Greenshade. Added!
I'll only add Dagoth Ur if someone has proof that he existed during or before the time of ESO. Obviously he was around for Morrowind, but that was later.Dagoth Ur of course. So charismatic and honest as opposed to the Tribunal.
Added! Also adding in Tall Papa, Leki, and Onsi.What about the HoonDing?
Added!Sai, the real TES RNGesus! (source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sai )ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
Xaramasa✭✭✭
Sotha Sil. The Light of Knowledge and the Architect of Time. Clockwork God and the Binder of Oblivion.
Part of the Tribunal, but I want to say that the Clockwork Faith is very distinct and removed from mainstream Tribunal Faith.1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm adding each daedric prince, each divine, and each of the tribunal separately; just didn't want to bother with making all the links because I'm laaaaaazyALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Saucy_Jack Shame on UESP! Sithis and Padomay are very distinct, separate entities. Most certainly in-lore it would be a grievous mistake to assume their worship is the same. While what the Psijic order does may not inherently be worship, I'm fairly sure they would not be pleased if you assumed their foundation to be Sithis... They are named after Padomay/PSJJJJ however.
Sithis is the birthed soul incarnate of Padomay.
It's a hard to understand, abstract concept befitting of these kinds of deities. Important to understand is that Sithis is not primordial, but came into existence later through an act of Padomay. Sithis is more of an acting force closer to a classic deity, while Padomay is more passive for our understanding and exists solely just because it does. Though you can argue that Sithis may be a part of Padomay in some way, they have their own separate consciousnesses and agendas (or at the very least Sithis assumes so, as does the general populace.)
...It's still okay if the share a voting spot, but shame on UESP.1 -
Xaramasa✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »I'll only add Dagoth Ur if someone has proof that he existed during or before the time of ESO. Obviously he was around for Morrowind, but that was later.
Voryn Dagoth became Dagoth Ur the minute he started fiddling with the Heart of Lorkhan even as Nerevar and the Tribunal were debating what to do with him.
- The Plan to Defeat Dagoth Ur, VivecIn Nerevar's absence, Dagoth Ur experimented with the tools upon the heart, and was corrupted. We returned to discover a deranged Dagoth Ur who refused to turn over the tools. When he attacked us, we drove him away.
We left Red Mountain with the tools, and subsequently Sotha Sil discovered their secrets. Collectively we used the tools to establish a connection with the Heart, enabling ourselves to transform our mortal natures. Thus we became the Tribunal.
Dagoth Ur had survived our attacks, and without the tools, in a manner not well understood, Dagoth Ur also managed to establish a connection with the Heart and to transform himself into an immortal being.
He was the first to tap into the Heart, and therefore preceded the Tribunal in terms of Divinity. Nerevar and the Tribunal managed to kill him, but he lies dead and dreaming under Red Mountain. There are cultists in the Forgotten Wastes dungeon in Vvardenfell who are actively worshiping him and the central character there eventually falls to his music. You even get the forbidden garments of his fallen house.
In fact, the first quest in that zone references him.Lord Vivec asks, "Has the enemy of old returned, so devious and bold?"
"An enemy of old, yes, but not the one that Vivec presumes."
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »
"What's your favourite deity?" can't logically be answered with "no deity", because "no deity" is, by definition, well, not a deity. It COULD be an answer to "What's your favourite ideology?", but then again, this contest isn't about ideologies; it's about deities.No gods, no masters!
Q: "What's your favorite deity?"
A: "None"
Seems like a perfectly valid (and logical) answer to me?
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✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »
"What's your favourite deity?" can't logically be answered with "no deity", because "no deity" is, by definition, well, not a deity. It COULD be an answer to "What's your favourite ideology?", but then again, this contest isn't about ideologies; it's about deities.No gods, no masters!
Q: "What's your favorite deity?"
A: "None"
Q: What's your favourite fruit?
A: Chicken. <--- this doesn't follow because chicken isn't a fruit.
Q: What's your favourite number?
A: The Atlantic Ocean. <--- this doesn't follow because the Atlantic Ocean isn't a number.
Q: What's your favourite deity?
A: None. <---this doesn't follow because "none" isn't a deity.
Now if the question were "Do you have a favourite deity?" or "Do you think deities exist?" then "No" would be a perfectly good answer for both of those. This competition, however, is assuming that deities (or at least beings worshipped as deities) exist, because in the ESO universe, they demonstratably do.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is perfectly logical to *not* have a favorite within any given selection ...
Q: Which of these fruits is your favorite?
Apples?
Banana?
Cherries?
A: Don't like any of them. Hate 'em actually. All of them ...
Again, that is a perfectly valid and logical answer!
PS: No need to respond, i won't derail your thread any longer
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »I'll only add Dagoth Ur if someone has proof that he existed during or before the time of ESO. Obviously he was around for Morrowind, but that was later.
Well, he exists in time of ESO. He's just "dreaming" under Red Mountain. As in dead but not quite thanks to his connection to the Heart. And I think that the presence of the Sixth House in the Forgotten Wastes is reason enough to include him. I mean they are not just some remnants but an organised cult. During the quest in Forgotten wastes you must spell "DREAMER" using bells at some point. And you get a memento called Dreamer's Chime. Who is this Dreamer if not Dagoth Ur? That means he's worshipped in ESO times so that counts him as deity, even if he's not active.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Echoes_of_a_Fallen_HouseEdited by Michae on July 18, 2019 6:13AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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aaisoaho✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Saucy_Jack wrote: »
"What's your favourite deity?" can't logically be answered with "no deity", because "no deity" is, by definition, well, not a deity. It COULD be an answer to "What's your favourite ideology?", but then again, this contest isn't about ideologies; it's about deities.No gods, no masters!
Q: "What's your favorite deity?"
A: "None"
Q: What's your favourite fruit?
A: Chicken. <--- this doesn't follow because chicken isn't a fruit.
Q: What's your favourite number?
A: The Atlantic Ocean. <--- this doesn't follow because the Atlantic Ocean isn't a number.
Q: What's your favourite deity?
A: None. <---this doesn't follow because "none" isn't a deity.
Now if the question were "Do you have a favourite deity?" or "Do you think deities exist?" then "No" would be a perfectly good answer for both of those. This competition, however, is assuming that deities (or at least beings worshipped as deities) exist, because in the ESO universe, they demonstratably do.
Every set does have an empty set as their subset. This means, logically and by my understanding, that "none"/"null" is a perfectly valid response to a such query.
For example:
Q: What is your favorite meat product?
A: None, because I do not eat meat.
Q: Who is your favorite child?
A: No one, because I do not pick favorites - I consider them all to be equal.
Q: What is your favorite deity?
A: No one, I believe in no such things.
EDIT: of course, you could add a condition to the query such as "If you had to pick one...". Because empty set is of length 0, it means picking empty is picking 0 elements and thus an invalid answer. Also picking multiple is prevented by such condition.Edited by aaisoaho on July 18, 2019 6:23AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Of course, the whole "Every set has an empty set as their subset" idea in the context of this competition is that the "empty set" is simply the act of not voting in any of the polls. Not the addition of an actual "none of the above" option.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
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It's not rahjin, it's rajhin.
https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Rajhin
You chose to read the one message where it was incorrectly written :'(PC - EU - France - AD
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✭Thanks for editing
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Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth Ur has been added, and Rajhin is now no longer dishonoured by a misspelling.
Nocturnal is included in the daedric princes.
Still debating Sithis/Padomay.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2 -
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✭LorkhanEU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Signups close at noon tomorrow - if you have any other suggestions, get 'em in!ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
hasi✭✭✭✭In connection with Sithis his wife, the Night Mother. Jone and Jode. Mannimarco still, after all a Cult follows him plus he nearly became a "God"(Later on he actually is one..).Edited by hasi on July 19, 2019 9:55AM1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In connection with Sithis his wife, the Night Mother. Jone and Jode. Mannimarco still, after all a Cult follows him plus he nearly became a "God"(Later on he actually is one..).
All added - but I'm adding Jone and Jode as a single entry, since in terms of worship you never hear of them being separate.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Talos! For Sovengaard!
Talos didn't exist in the time of ESO.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Saucy_Jack Shame on UESP! Sithis and Padomay are very distinct, separate entities. Most certainly in-lore it would be a grievous mistake to assume their worship is the same. While what the Psijic order does may not inherently be worship, I'm fairly sure they would not be pleased if you assumed their foundation to be Sithis... They are named after Padomay/PSJJJJ however.
Sithis is the birthed soul incarnate of Padomay.
It's a hard to understand, abstract concept befitting of these kinds of deities. Important to understand is that Sithis is not primordial, but came into existence later through an act of Padomay. Sithis is more of an acting force closer to a classic deity, while Padomay is more passive for our understanding and exists solely just because it does. Though you can argue that Sithis may be a part of Padomay in some way, they have their own separate consciousnesses and agendas (or at the very least Sithis assumes so, as does the general populace.)
...It's still okay if the share a voting spot, but shame on UESP.
After mulling over, I'll consider this reason enough to separate them.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭K, signups are closed; stay tuned for the competition!ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭KillsAllElves wrote: »I didnt see anything about a deity being popular. It had to be worshipped- thats subjective to defining terms.
Also sithis and padomay arent the same.
Popularity Contest is the point of the whole thing. That's all the other person was saying, while you were talking about the inclusion of the characters. Misunderstanding, I believe.
Anyway, I only quoted this to elevate the Sithis/Padomay thing. They very much are distinct and different deities. I understand not splitting up everything for the poll cause there's only so long the list can go... But they're literally separate beings. :P
The requirements did not mention the words popular or favorite!
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Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KillsAllElves wrote: »KillsAllElves wrote: »I didnt see anything about a deity being popular. It had to be worshipped- thats subjective to defining terms.
Also sithis and padomay arent the same.
Popularity Contest is the point of the whole thing. That's all the other person was saying, while you were talking about the inclusion of the characters. Misunderstanding, I believe.
Anyway, I only quoted this to elevate the Sithis/Padomay thing. They very much are distinct and different deities. I understand not splitting up everything for the poll cause there's only so long the list can go... But they're literally separate beings. :P
The requirements did not mention the words popular or favorite!
Just because a god is worshipped or is in [ A ] pantheon/s doesnt make said deity a favorite or popular.
Reading Comprehension 0/100 mate. Good Lord.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm fairly certain that Sai is retconned, because Ebonarm is. Ebonarm does not exist anymore and is made to have never existed. He's been written out of all the books and since Sai is strongly connected to Ebonarm, it's entirely possible that he is now not part of the proper canon anymore. Too late now I guess. Oh well, I doubt people will vote for him anyway.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
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✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Talos! For Sovengaard!
Talos didn't exist in the time of ESO.
Why does that matter? As Heimskr distant ancestor I can tell you that Talos came to me in a dream anticipating his ascension to divinity and to pave the way for him. We are the anticipation of Talos, and we are his chosen, anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!
Don't let your imagination be so poor in a fantasy game that it is bound by some imaginary rules bypassed by things as cliche as prophesy 101.“Whatever.”
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