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Logical Argument AGAINST a Global Auction House
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »
OKSaucy_Jack wrote: »We've already seen numerous thread talking about the lag, and how it's an issue in both PVE and PVP.
So to the people that want a GAH: are you seriously saying that, on top of whatever's causing the *current* lag, you ALSO want something that loads up ALL listed items, from EVERY player, WITH the items' associated graphics, for EVERY player checking the shop? Even without mods it takes a second for the guild trader search to load up listings for just one guild. Why would you want to vastly increase the lag?
It's a simple db query. It's 2019. Even if a million players listed 100 items at once that's not an especially large db.
You do the maths.
2.64 Million potential variations of overland dropset armour alone.
Yes...blows my mind....this isn't your run on the rails straight line one type of armor for a specific class MMO....AH may load up quick on other mmo due to the limited combinations of items...Edited by LuxLunae on July 16, 2019 2:34PM -
Kalik_Gold✭✭✭✭✭Wish everyone could just be a self vendor when logged off. Your character becomes an NPC in Bazaar mode. EQ1 style.Ras Kalik | Redguard - Templar | The Vestige, Ahkahtuz | Champion 1000+ | PS4/NA | ESO+ Cancelled | DC PVPPvP Combatants:
Aurik Siet'ka | Redguard - Necromancer
Cee Fôr | Redguard, Vampire - Nightblade
Cacique the Sage of Ius | Redguard - Warden
Jux Blackheart | Redguard, Lycan - Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell | Redguard - Dragonknight
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin | Reachman, Nord - Warden <No CP>
Movárth Piquine | Nord, Vampire - Necromancer <Tank/Support>
Kaotik Von Dae'mon | Breton half-Redguard* - Sorcerer <Healer/Support>
PvE Adventurers:
Herzog Zwei the Genesis | Breton - Templar <Healer>
Cinan Tharn | Imperial, Vampire - Dragonknight <Tank>
Tyrus Septim | Imperial - Sorcerer <Lightning/Shock Damage>
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar | Imperial - Dragonknight <Fire Damage>
mmoRPG personal lore:Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard Paladin and the wielder of Chrysamere; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. (not only Sai Sahan has a secret snowflake!) Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from undead, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being from Hammerfell, and a Redguard wields two massive swords in respect to the Ansei. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight.
Jux Blackheart a master thief that was frequenting the Sisters of the Sands inn for pilfering during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of this and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight and his greed. He lost two fingertips as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught...
Kaotik Von’Daemon is an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, a Breton monk and two Imperial soldiers. One of the Imperials claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (Ras Kalik's mentor in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn is really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son, that was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired battle-mage soldier and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn is also a master of disguise, and uses his disguises while he robs various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Tharn also runs an illegal gambling ring...
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a Breton and also a prominent monk of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Ancestor Moth cult worshippers wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure. Ras Kalik did indeed notice the sword however, and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Breton men have parted ways for now... While Ras Kalik is off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little does Kalik know a few people are awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The one known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons, is awaiting his arrival also.
The journey to Senchal will also put him on a path to meet a strange man which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is only known as "the member C-4", as he gave up his born name when joining the cult. Cee Fôr is on a path to spread the disease as he was infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Cee For know, the infection is tied to Vampirism, but eventually the need for blood, will take over.
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected) within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in the Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar - grandfather of Silus Vesuius.
Uri Ice-Heart - twin of Urfon Ice-Heart. Twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart that are originally from Markarth but are now residing on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, their younger sister Araki has also relocated but she is in Windhelm currently. The twins joined the Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed east to Hammerfell with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri sent his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety to avoid the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. (but he doesn't know his sister has moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild). After hearing of Urfon's death... Uri left the Reach and is seeking vengeance. -
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✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »
OKSaucy_Jack wrote: »We've already seen numerous thread talking about the lag, and how it's an issue in both PVE and PVP.
So to the people that want a GAH: are you seriously saying that, on top of whatever's causing the *current* lag, you ALSO want something that loads up ALL listed items, from EVERY player, WITH the items' associated graphics, for EVERY player checking the shop? Even without mods it takes a second for the guild trader search to load up listings for just one guild. Why would you want to vastly increase the lag?
It's a simple db query. It's 2019. Even if a million players listed 100 items at once that's not an especially large db.
You do the maths.
2.64 Million potential variations of overland dropset armour alone.
Yes...blows my mind....this isn't your run on the rails straight line one type of armor for a specific class MMO....AH may load up quick on other mmo due to the limited combinations of items...
I'm pretty sure that all of this information is being held on the same mega-server. Right now, the game isn't just tracking all of the items, it is also tracking all of the guilds, which traders they're using, which items are tagged by which player offering the sale, and where the search is being conducted. Not to mention that it also has to track guild expiration dates and weekly trader bids to determine which guild of up to 500 players gets which trader each week.
I'm not seeing how that would be any less taxing on the system than a GAH database. -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Androconium wrote: »
OKSaucy_Jack wrote: »We've already seen numerous thread talking about the lag, and how it's an issue in both PVE and PVP.
So to the people that want a GAH: are you seriously saying that, on top of whatever's causing the *current* lag, you ALSO want something that loads up ALL listed items, from EVERY player, WITH the items' associated graphics, for EVERY player checking the shop? Even without mods it takes a second for the guild trader search to load up listings for just one guild. Why would you want to vastly increase the lag?
It's a simple db query. It's 2019. Even if a million players listed 100 items at once that's not an especially large db.
You do the maths.
2.64 Million potential variations of overland dropset armour alone.
So it's covered by a 24bit integer. Don't even need a 32bit integer for this.
24/8*1M*100 = 300 MB.
I'm sure they won't index all items in all their variations to a single integer of a weird size and instead use an item class or struct, but even if this was 1000 times bigger, we're still at just 300GB. They can make a RAM disk this size to be able to accommodate all the transactions happening in quick succession, and have a queue buffer (to smooth out spikes in the number of requests) between the RAM disk and an NVMe RAID where they store a near real time copy of the market.
Then, if it's not fast and/or big enough, they could also use multiple servers and use a hash to assign which one stores which items. That way the database will be distributed and can accordingly grow to any size you want while increasing speed by limiting a good portion of the requests to just one or very few servers if the hash function was made intelligently.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Yes, it costs money, but that's what we pay our ESO+ sub for, so there is really no excuse. -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭All I hear is someone who abuses the guild trader for their own gains crying cause they wouldn't be able to steal millions of gold from players so they can buy their "top guild trader location".
Guild traders are an outdated concept. It's nothing but a means of income for those that were able to figure out how to abuse it early on.