What is the point of playing MagSorc right now?

SupremeRissole

Sorcs were OP in PvP and were upper tier dps in PvE.
Realisticly its not a vendetta against magsorcs, any group can take any spec into almost any vet trial and clear the content. But a sweaty group will more than likely not take a magsorc.......nor will they take a magden, stamden, stamplar, stamblade, magblade, stamsorc, magnecro, magdk or stamdk
its not just magsorcs, stop crying

Lord-Otto

I wouldn't call anything before enough testing has been done. It's too early now.
But your feeling is correct, some players do have a vendetta against sorcs. Just need to scroll down the first page to find confirmation. It'll never stop.
*shrugs*

MartiniDaniels

SupremeRissole wrote: »

Sorcs were OP in PvP and were upper tier dps in PvE.
Realisticly its not a vendetta against magsorcs, any group can take any spec into almost any vet trial and clear the content. But a sweaty group will more than likely not take a magsorc.......nor will they take a magden, stamden, stamplar, stamblade, magblade, stamsorc, magnecro, magdk or stamdk
its not just magsorcs, stop crying

They still need NB and DK tanks for minor brutality and minor savagery

SoLooney

SoLooney wrote: »

They are currently the 2nd strongest mag class behind magplars. For how little effort it required to be decent in pve and pvp, it was over performing, esp that twilight pet.

Glad to see it's been nerfed and hopefully I'll see less mag sorcs running around with 1 or 2 pets taking up my frames

Wouldnt mind seeing this class being the lowest mag dps and being completely irrelevant

I'm sorry you feel like that.

I do agree about the pets when they are not unsummoned in town, especially the flappy twilight which drives me mad. It's one of the reasons I don't use that one. The scamp is lower profile.

However, I would never deliberately wish anybody's class to be nerfed into the ground and made completely irrelevant, whatever class it is. That's a pretty selfish and mean-minded attitude. I don't know which class you play mainly, but I hope no one ever says that about your class.[/quote]

Trust me man, I played a lot of classes since homestead which included mag sorcs. I play what is meta or does the most dps. It is currently stam necros. I honestly dont care what class is meta

I'll just say mag sorcs are very beginner friendly and for how little effort was required to pull good numbers is a little dumb, esp when the pet was doing a lot of the dps. When they got buffed, all the casual and many of the higher end players rolled mag sorcs cause they're pretty brain dead easy to play. Very boring play style with horrible sustain.

SoLooney

Aurelle1 wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

They are currently the 2nd strongest mag class behind magplars. For how little effort it required to be decent in pve and pvp, it was over performing, esp that twilight pet.

Glad to see it's been nerfed and hopefully I'll see less mag sorcs running around with 1 or 2 pets taking up my frames

Wouldnt mind seeing this class being the lowest mag dps and being completely irrelevant

I'm sorry you feel like that.

I do agree about the pets when they are not unsummoned in town, especially the flappy twilight which drives me mad. It's one of the reasons I don't use that one. The scamp is lower profile.

However, I would never deliberately wish anybody's class to be nerfed into the ground and made completely irrelevant, whatever class it is. That's a pretty selfish and mean-minded attitude. I don't know which class you play mainly, but I hope no one ever says that about your class.

Trust me man, I played a lot of classes since homestead which included mag sorcs. I play what is meta or does the most dps. It is currently stam necros. I honestly dont care what class is meta

I'll just say mag sorcs are very beginner friendly and for how little effort was required to pull good numbers is a little dumb, esp when the pet was doing a lot of the dps. When they got buffed, all the casual and many of the higher end players rolled mag sorcs cause they're pretty brain dead easy to play. Very boring play style with horrible sustain

Put those players on classes with tougher rotations like magblades, and you quickly see how much they struggle. It was nice seeing classes with tough rotations pulling more dps

Anyways, hopefully I see less mag sorcs and their annoying pets floating around eso

sudaki_eso

What is the point of playing MagSorc right now?

They are still the easy mode for most content

I'll just say mag sorcs are very beginner friendly and for how little effort was required to pull good numbers is a little dumb, esp when the pet was doing a lot of the dps.

Exactly...

Saril_Durzam

Chufu wrote: »

Some MagSorcs have already tested on PTS and still reach numbers about 90k, so the nerf can't be that big.

I still think MagSorc has the big advantage that you don't have a very complicated rotation and even if you totally f*** up your rotation, you are still doing a big amount of damage. Not to forget, that you are a Range DD, which has some advantages as well.

I don't think MagSorc will be gone from the raidsetup anytime soon (depending of course on the raidleader and the ambitions).

Atm magsorc parses shown in PST go to 83k, with a total net loss of around 9k. Most stamina parses go above 100k. Ive seen stamsorc going for 100k, by the way.This game nowadays is a stamina game. Magsorcs were the only ones able to compete with stamina, if not in damage in survability. After U23, that will change.

Issue is not just damage. Sorc survability is really concerned, soemthing which was good before U23. I guess people at BGs tired of watching Sorcs stealing their kills will be happy, but for PvE the nerf is so big in every aspect of the game - sustain, damage and survability- that i doubt we will see Sorcs in vet content unless things change.

I personally will leave behind my Sorc and will play my stamden, stamcro ,and magplar healer. I´d be subpar if i´d keep playing my Sorc, hindering my teammates. Always talking PvEwise.

Saril_Durzam

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mag sorc will be fine their mobility skill “bolt escape” and it’s morphs got buffed.

Sorc will finally be what it’s was meant to be a squishy glass cannon with high mobility. No more glass cannon face tanking from 40+ meters

You keep on talking about PvP. What about Pve?

Massacre_Wurm

Poor poor sorcs. How many times they were declared "useless" and "dead" already ? Dozens , i guess.
Your whining from magden's point of view looks amusing.

Grianasteri

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Everyone knows that MagSorc has been brutally nerfed in this last update. It was no longer that strong over the last year or so anyway. Agreed that at one time it was OP and needed tweaking, and this was definitely done. But most abilities have now had dps, healing and cc reduced even further, and drastically so. And you may as well forget about PetSorcs, who have had both dps and healing viciously slashed, thus rendering PetSorcs pretty much useless.

It's almost as if a part of the population have a vendetta against Sorcs, and ZOS devs have been taken in by the persuasion. I cannot think of any other explanation why a class should be so comprehensively destroyed.

So, does MagSorc have anything to bring to the table anymore? If you were compiling a PVE group, would you include a MagSorc? What will happen if many players abandon their Sorcs due to their current unplayability? What will that do to the balance of the game?

Magsorcs are unplayable?

My magsorc does not use pets (never has) & pulls the most DPS out of all 12 of my characters, comfortably. Far from being unplayable, the usability, consistently and power of the magsorc is excellent.

EmEm_Oh

Some MagSorcs have already tested on PTS and still reach numbers about 90k, so the nerf can't be that big.

Completely unrealistic for 99.999% of the players in ESO and I demand be proven otherwise.

The dps stats I read on these forums are more unrealistic than the nerfing.

Saril_Durzam

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

Poor poor sorcs. How many times they were declared "useless" and "dead" already ? Dozens , i guess.
Your whining from magden's point of view looks amusing.

Magden has issues, but stamden is full of awesomeness. You should compare madsorc with stamden, and stamsorc with magden. But yeah, all mag class are spoiled nowadays, Magdens for more than anyone, probably.

WuffyCerulei

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

Some MagSorcs have already tested on PTS and still reach numbers about 90k, so the nerf can't be that big.

Completely unrealistic for 99.999% of the players in ESO and I demand be proven otherwise.

The dps stats I read on these forums are more unrealistic than the nerfing.

You are right, those 90k parses are highly unrealistic. The raid dummies only show the absolute best situation with 100% uptime on all buffs and debuffs on the boss. It’s unrealistic, especially for most of the pve community.

washbern

Yeah, magsorcs are pulling good numbers while using maybe 2 of their own skills. At this point, is it even a magsorc anymore? Only reason to play this class is if your guild makes you go for Major Berserk synergy.

Destruent

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

Some MagSorcs have already tested on PTS and still reach numbers about 90k, so the nerf can't be that big.

Completely unrealistic for 99.999% of the players in ESO and I demand be proven otherwise.

The dps stats I read on these forums are more unrealistic than the nerfing.

You are right, those 90k parses are highly unrealistic. The raid dummies only show the absolute best situation with 100% uptime on all buffs and debuffs on the boss. It’s unrealistic, especially for most of the pve community.

doesn't really matter if they are realistic or not, but this dummy makes parses comparable between classes.

ZarkingFrued

Vietfox wrote: »

Pets were over performing and Magsorcs are still top class. You'll have to work just a bit more now for your kills.

Do you play sorc? I do often. I don't think I'll be playing it next patch tho. It takes nerfs repeatedly, and has no survivability now. Most sorcs are now running double sustain sets or defence and sustain set combos. There are to to many classes in this game to waste your time playing a glass bb gun that can streak

ZarkingFrued

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mag sorc will be fine their mobility skill “bolt escape” and it’s morphs got buffed.

Sorc will finally be what it’s was meant to be a squishy glass cannon with high mobility. No more glass cannon face tanking from 40+ meters

Doesnt get you much in this gap closer/ranged meta. Sorc will finally be what it was meant to be. At the bottom of your roster. That's why zos gave us that little QOL update.

SupremeRissole

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

SupremeRissole wrote: »

Sorcs were OP in PvP and were upper tier dps in PvE.
Realisticly its not a vendetta against magsorcs, any group can take any spec into almost any vet trial and clear the content. But a sweaty group will more than likely not take a magsorc.......nor will they take a magden, stamden, stamplar, stamblade, magblade, stamsorc, magnecro, magdk or stamdk
its not just magsorcs, stop crying

They still need NB and DK tanks for minor brutality and minor savagery

Talking DPS. NB tank and DK tank is current meta

TheYKcid

PvP perspective: Sorcs deserved some nerfs - slight general ones and big, specific ones to pet builds.

No complaints about the pet nerfs, they were entirely deserved.

The shield nerfs were absolutely over the top, though. The slight tooltip reduction would've been fine, but nerfing the cost by 1000 to make it just as bad as annulment is crazy for a main defence that requires frequent recasting.

Class-based abilities are universally better than their non-class counterparts, making this nerf highly incongruous.

Haven't yet made up my mind about the Destructive Touch nerfs (which have made Master Staff builds practically obsolete). We were compensated in the form of unblockable Streak, which could make for some interesting meteor combos, with elewep providing better spammable damage than before. Will need to try it out.

Anti_Virus

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mag sorc will be fine their mobility skill “bolt escape” and it’s morphs got buffed.

Sorc will finally be what it’s was meant to be a squishy glass cannon with high mobility. No more glass cannon face tanking from 40+ meters

You keep on talking about PvP. What about Pve?

Same in pve as the games dominant ranged caster it should have some draw backs otherwise why run any other caster class?

Saril_Durzam

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Saril_Durzam wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Mag sorc will be fine their mobility skill “bolt escape” and it’s morphs got buffed.

Sorc will finally be what it’s was meant to be a squishy glass cannon with high mobility. No more glass cannon face tanking from 40+ meters

You keep on talking about PvP. What about Pve?

Same in pve as the games dominant ranged caster it should have some draw backs otherwise why run any other caster class?

Game needs both melee and ranged DPS. On every MMO ive played, melee DPS was better than ranged and melee DPS got better defences as they would be more exposed. Thats why melee gets medium armor and ranged gets light armor.

I agree ranged builds have to have some drawbacks but these ones already are implemented at the game - worse DPS (in case of both magicka and bow builds) and worse resistances (only in case of magicka builds; bow has same defences of melee and same if not better DPS than ranged mag characters). Futhermore, every melee PVE DPS has a bow to switch to ranged everytime they want!!! Much better than other MMO games ive played where you were forced to stick in melee and couldn´t DPS when mechanics forced to stay away from boss.

Now, we just have that bow/bow builds are better than any ranged magicka build you can find. And that melees not just do better DPS than before, but their defences and survability are indeed much better. And this game also have loads of mechanics that punish ranged player, more than any other MMO i have played, and played quite some.

After the patch, one side will get better DPS, better sustain, better defences, and more survability despite supposedly being closer to the boss - btw, in most Trials everyone can be close, and must be close to bosses.

Only one player playing on that side would say things will be fair.

robpr

Starlock wrote: »

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

mag sorcs still pulling 90k+ on PTS.

What are normal players doing, though?

Not trying hard enough.
Xynode's Easy Sorc still works. Slap additional Degen or Soul Trap with Power/Critical Surge and you get your damage back.

Saril_Durzam

robpr wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

mag sorcs still pulling 90k+ on PTS.

What are normal players doing, though?

Not trying hard enough.
Xynode's Easy Sorc still works. Slap additional Degen or Soul Trap with Power/Critical Surge and you get your damage back.

Easy Sorc ( which has inferior DPS to petsorc, magsorc, every stam build of the game, btw. Ive played it and left it due inferior DPS, group utility and reliance on HAs ) has reliance on these skills:
1- Elemental Blockade (nerfed)
2- Liquid Lighning (nerfed)
3- Daedric Tomb
4- Mage´s wrath.

The idea of this guy was to do loads of AOE. He uses Lightning staff. He uses Infallible Aether and Undaunted Infiltrator sets to get maximum HA damage. With AOE Skills nerfed, are you sure this build will retain good DPS compared with other builds? I disagree. Actually, Degen or Soul Trap wont get the Lightning Staff bonus. We´re forced to use Fire now.

If you expect Sorcs use so subpar builds means you either have no idea about Sorcerers or you want Sorcerers in the dirt.

MartiniDaniels

From what I see there is zero point in any magicka dps next patch (if ZOS won't adjust something). Stamina has better dps and better durability due to vigor buff

Saril_Durzam

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

From what I see there is zero point in any magicka dps next patch (if ZOS won't adjust something). Stamina has better dps and better durability due to vigor buff

Stamina already had before patch better DPS and better durability. The gap has been widened, that is.

Vietfox

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Pets were over performing and Magsorcs are still top class. You'll have to work just a bit more now for your kills.

Do you play sorc? I do often. I don't think I'll be playing it next patch tho. It takes nerfs repeatedly, and has no survivability now. Most sorcs are now running double sustain sets or defence and sustain set combos. There are to to many classes in this game to waste your time playing a glass bb gun that can streak

Yes i do, i play all classes on both PC and PS4. Sorcs will still be perfectly fine.
If you are gonna stop playing sorc because you think it's not gonna be worth it then don't even try to play as magblade or magden, seriously.

Edit: all classes but necromancers.

Saril_Durzam

I feel my magplar and stamden will be fine.

Adernath

TheYKcid wrote: »

PvP perspective: Sorcs deserved some nerfs - slight general ones and big, specific ones to pet builds.

No complaints about the pet nerfs, they were entirely deserved.

PvP perspective: On live 80% are running around in current DK/warden stamina tanky meta or NB (stam). If encountered a sorc, a pet was not an issue, because gap closers and/or smart movement can counter LOSing very effectively. BUT on the forums some PvE heroes try to draw a different picture.

Gulnagel

Is sorcerer no pet PvE really that bad on pts?

Saril_Durzam

I doubt nopet sorc will be "too bad"; better than magden and not too far from Stamina builds. At least DPS wise. Sustain, selfhealing and survability will be kinda meh, though.