Why do we have to pay crowns for QoL update?

Dragneel1207

and so is alternative characters progression.

Bealeb319

Another thing to consider is that the whole point of giving these skill lines to peoples alts is to encourage players to play more toons and add more variety to our play and to groups. Selling it does not accomplish that goal because only a small percent of players will buy the lines and even a smaller percent that will buy them for each alt.

Dagoth_Rac

I take it that while you can "gift" the Vampire skill line and Werewolf skill line through the cash shop, this will not apply to Undaunted skill line, Alliance War skill line, etc. Because those skill lines have achievement requirements?

I would like selling skyshards and skill lines more if they were available via in-game currency, too, and not only cash.

xeNNNNN

Reverb wrote: »

You are paying to bypass the content. Getting skyshards and skill lines on alts without having to...you know...get the skyshards or skill lines...isn’t QoL, it’s a shortcut. There’s no reason for it to be free.

Pay fo the toll road, or take the long way to the airport for free.

Nailed it.

Hallothiel

J2JMC wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

You are paying to bypass the content. Getting skyshards and skill lines on alts without having to...you know...get the skyshards or skill lines...isn’t QoL, it’s a shortcut. There’s no reason for it to be free.

Pay fo the toll road, or take the long way to the airport for free.

Either ZOS thinks there is a legitimate game design reason to having skyshards and guild skill lines not be account wide, or they now think it's a bad game design decision. If the former, they are actively undermining the intended gameplay experience by selling these skill lines and skyshards. If the latter, they are deciding to profit off a poor game design decision they made 6 years ago instead of altering the game design to improve the game for the enjoyment of both older and new players. Either way, it's a scummy (but not unexpected) practice. I'm just waiting on arena weapons to end up in the crown store, since the community seems to be fine with things being sold in the crown store as long as they are obtainable in-game.

For the record, I think there is a legitimate reason to make leveling alts difficult. It's called Cyrodiil. There are many factors to consider when trying to implement healthy AvAvA gameplay, and limiting the effect of alts is one of them. So again, using the crown store to undermine decisions that promote healthy gameplay is scummy.

One of the reasons they are doing this is because there have been rather a few threads over the years whinging about wanting this.

barney2525

Good grief.

Not the 'all achievements should apply to all characters on the account' again

Snowstrider

Because money

r34lian

Because
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Chadak

Because they don't really have anything worthwhile to sell you, so they manufacture annoyance and sell you the relief.

Kel

You get actual stat increases for buying undaunted. You're buying something that affects your in game performance.
Everyone says "It's not pay to win, it's only cosmetics...it doesn't increase your stats or give you any advantage or power"...until now.

So, now you're basically buying a stat increase, that definitely gives an advantage over someone in lower level dungeons/PvP that hasn't bought it, and everyone's just peachy about it.
Amazing.

(Don't disregard low level PvP. Plenty of people I know gold out low level gear just for under 50 PvP. This absolutely is paying for advantage in this case. I've never seen max undaunted on a under 50 character, so save the "yOu cAn GeT iT iN GaMe" argument. It's a empty and hollow attempt at a justification for under 50 characters, PvE or PvP. You're paying for advantage)

Dusk_Coven

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

I have a question:
Why do we have to pay crowns for a QoL(Quality of Life) update?

Because you are trying to reframe it from the way ZOS has framed it. But your attempt to reframe it into "update" isn't going to work if they are entrenched in the frame of "convenience product".

Something you might try is to convince them to give a discount every time you buy the same product. Maybe save 10 crowns if you buy it a second time, 20 crowns if you buy it a third time, etc... Some people have 18 toons so some of the cheaper items will eventually be free for their remaining toons.

Hallothiel

Those that mention low level / under 50 cp pvp - how do people keep playing it? Do you keep making new characters? As it does not take long to level up, and you cant stop levelling......genuinely curious.

Grimm13

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

I have a question:
Why do we have to pay crowns for a QoL(Quality of Life) update?

Don't have to buy but they have a right to ask for payment of their work, it's their game. We have a right to support it or not, such as continued ESO+ sub, paying for a convenience service or a DLC.

Doing either is a vote in support or against. Those that say I really don't like this but pay anyway supports continuing this course of the game. Unfortunately this has been the trend. So consider, how do you want to vote.

ZOS_RogerJ

Just a friendly reminder, it’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic.

SirMewser

Good luck Zeni, both you and Bethesda have destroyed the trust you've had with the community.

Now you want to take someone to court after the leak you've well earned? Bethesda has 3 lawsuits over the past year. Join in and have *** fun with them why don't you?

I have 0 faith, Skyrim was amazing and Eso got a lot better but you guys turn around to treat people that invested in you like crap.

Alucardo

I don't see the problem? I'd much rather see QoL improvements and cosmetics in cash shops than actual p2w items. These things are basically completely optional. You don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em.
For those who want to skip a bunch of content, then you should have to pay the piper for the shortcut it brings.

Cpt_Teemo

Reverb wrote: »

You are paying to bypass the content. Getting skyshards and skill lines on alts without having to...you know...get the skyshards or skill lines...isn’t QoL, it’s a shortcut. There’s no reason for it to be free.

Pay fo the toll road, or take the long way to the airport for free.

Which should have been account wide anyway without having the need to pay for anything

wishlist14

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

I have a question:
Why do we have to pay crowns for a QoL(Quality of Life) update?
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I am sure getting skyshards on alt and skill line on alts is a QoL update. The achievements should be shared among all chars or you get an option to buy them INGAME.

On a side note, I want to mention that ESO is not a FreetoPlay(f2p) game. We pay them money for every DLC and Chapter. Its PaytoPlay game. This kind of Crown store item can be acceptable in a f2p game but not in PaytoPlay game. Its outright milking.
They are asking us to pay for a DLC/Chapter and pay to skip playing that. It doesnot make sense at all.

On a further note, I want to mention crown gifting, It hasn't been made clear if it is crown gifting or crown selling/buying. They took the least effort way to do it. They didn't even make a proper system for it. It isn't 100% safe to do crown gifting/buying/selling. It is made safe due to some diacord servers and community working to make it safe.

They were testing water with skyshard update and seems like they were successful and went ahead with this.
Tomorrow they are gonna continue like this and one day we will regret paying crowns for this stuff.

As far as we have seen, ZOS has made it pretty clear that they are not going to fix their servers, group finder and the various bugs that break the game.
They are focused to distract the players with crown store, continuous changes to combat system and selling bugged Chapter and Class.

See if we guys follow the trend one day they are going to take it too far and there will be no way back. I hope the community thinks before they decide and allow this.

I agree with you 100%. This model they are moving towards has broken other games I played so I foresee a very dim future for eso. I myself made a post about this and it was shut down. These posts are being closely moderated as they have to do with the crown store but there is a huge forums brigade cheering eso along...obviously they have more money than sense.

They should make everyone sub and stop trying to get money via these unacceptable means such as selling QoL

Next it will be maxed levelled characters ..RIP eso as we know it.

FlopsyPrince

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

You are paying to bypass the content. Getting skyshards and skill lines on alts without having to...you know...get the skyshards or skill lines...isn’t QoL, it’s a shortcut. There’s no reason for it to be free.

Pay fo the toll road, or take the long way to the airport for free.

Nailed it.

Not at all.

I want to be playing the quests, dungeons, etc. But I have to repeat the same things multiple times just to nab a skyshard. I have to decide which characters to ignore so I can get the skyshard for crafting needs while still covering combat needs.

This is purely a "because we can" fee. The game should let me play it, not have to keep a website up on my computer while I play on my PS4 so I can nab the same skyshard I have already grabbed 10 times.

Waste of time and idiotic.

Katahdin

If people want to pay to skip leveling certain skill lines, I don't have a problem with it.

Androconium

Consume.
Be Silent.
Die.

Wandering_Immigrant

I honestly don't see the point in the requirement of having unlocked it on a previous character. I mean if someone can't be bothered to progress their alt why should their alt be stronger than my alt and how is that any different than someone who can't be bothered to progress their main, it's all just faceless characters on a screen from my perspective I have no way of knowing if that's your main or an alt, so what's the difference?

Seriously asking. At least if there were no requirement people could use it if they found themselves having to switch platforms or servers for whatever reason (looking at you PC-EU), that use I could see some validity in, but this, no one is forced to level an alt, if you don't want to don't make one.

Plus it would make sense from ZOS's perspective making the feature available to more players. Moe-players moe-money.

Attackfrog

Alucardo wrote: »

I don't see the problem? I'd much rather see QoL improvements and cosmetics in cash shops than actual p2w items. These things are basically completely optional. You don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em.
For those who want to skip a bunch of content, then you should have to pay the piper for the shortcut it brings.

Totally agree. Plus there are likely folks like me that won't really be paying anything extra, but as a subber, I can use my monthly crowns for the QoL. It really promotes subbing, which is a good thing for quality mmos.

Though I could also argue there are far too many bugs and performance issues for a sub mmo...but that's a different discussion.

Kiralyn2000

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

You are paying to bypass the content. Getting skyshards and skill lines on alts without having to...you know...get the skyshards or skill lines...isn’t QoL, it’s a shortcut. There’s no reason for it to be free.

Pay fo the toll road, or take the long way to the airport for free.

Nailed it.

Not at all.

I want to be playing the quests, dungeons, etc. But I have to repeat the same things multiple times just to nab a skyshard. I have to decide which characters to ignore so I can get the skyshard for crafting needs while still covering combat needs.

This is purely a "because we can" fee. The game should let me play it, not have to keep a website up on my computer while I play on my PS4 so I can nab the same skyshard I have already grabbed 10 times.

Waste of time and idiotic.

"Repeat the same things multiple times" (edit: well, and "waste of time" ) has been a core concept of MMOs since the ancient days. Long before cash shops & microtransactions. I had a dozen characters in WoW (vanilla thru Cata) - aside from the different racial starting areas, they all went through the same faction questlines. And did dailies over & over. And repeated dungeons over & over. Etc. Same for my Star Trek Online, Secret World, City of Heroes, TERA, Neverwinter, D&D Online, and SWToR characters. MMOs have been designed with repeated grind at the core of them, since no dev can make content faster than the players consume it.

Thorvik_Tyrson

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

I honestly don't see the point in the requirement of having unlocked it on a previous character. I mean if someone can't be bothered to progress their alt why should their alt be stronger than my alt and how is that any different than someone who can't be bothered to progress their main, it's all just faceless characters on a screen from my perspective I have no way of knowing if that's your main or an alt, so what's the difference?

Seriously asking. At least if there were no requirement people could use it if they found themselves having to switch platforms or servers for whatever reason (looking at you PC-EU), that use I could see some validity in, but this, no one is forced to level an alt, if you don't want to don't make one.

Plus it would make sense from ZOS's perspective making the feature available to more players. Moe-players moe-money.

If you don't have the requirement to unlock the skyshard's on another character, then it really becomes a pay to win option for a new player (Like me). At that point your not just talking about Alt's, but about main characters buying skill points.

Wandering_Immigrant

Thorvik_Tyrson wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

I honestly don't see the point in the requirement of having unlocked it on a previous character. I mean if someone can't be bothered to progress their alt why should their alt be stronger than my alt and how is that any different than someone who can't be bothered to progress their main, it's all just faceless characters on a screen from my perspective I have no way of knowing if that's your main or an alt, so what's the difference?

Seriously asking. At least if there were no requirement people could use it if they found themselves having to switch platforms or servers for whatever reason (looking at you PC-EU), that use I could see some validity in, but this, no one is forced to level an alt, if you don't want to don't make one.

Plus it would make sense from ZOS's perspective making the feature available to more players. Moe-players moe-money.

If you don't have the requirement to unlock the skyshard's on another character, then it really becomes a pay to win option for a new player (Like me). At that point your not just talking about Alt's, but about main characters buying skill points.

But again, I don't know your main from your alt, I don't know how long you've been playing, all I know is there's a level 10 character running around with maxed out passives popping accelerates and hitting me with dawn breakers, competitively there's no difference at all. From an in-game perspective it's functionally the same thing.

Wandering_Immigrant

Plus, if you really want to unlock it you will eventually anyway so how is that any more p2w, lots of mmos have catch up mechanics for new players.

SirAxen

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Multicraft is QoL. Buying skill lines for alts is being too lazy/impatient to pay the game properly.

If you didn't have to do it once before being able to unlock it then you would be correct. As such, you're not.

StabbityDoom

I'd pay crowns for a *real" QoL update. Without hesitation.

Mr_Walker

Vietfox wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Really confused. Its a dungeon dlc. What are you wibbling about?

Oh I get it! You want access to something you can get for free with a miniscule bit if effort in the game, but you are not willing to pay for it.

Yeah, collecting lorebooks and getting undaunted to lvl 9 = minuscule bit of effort, right...
It doesn't take skill, it just requires a lot of time, and doing that on several characters makes anyone (at least me) hate the game, especially for pvpers.

Geez, and PvPers call PvErs carebears?

The queue to Cyro generally takes 30-40 minutes to pop in prime time. Use that time productively. You can come close to clearing a zone of shards/lorebooks in that time.