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Tylersoh
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I’m not sure how it is on Xbox and PC but there are so many bots farming resources on PS4. How is it for you PC and Xbox players?
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭EU it's bad, though back in the good old days they were only in the start zones but now thanks to level-scaling they're everywhere .. I also see a lot more level-cap characters being botted on mining nodes (jewelcrafting I presume), lots of 810s who clearly don't fear being banned by ZOS.2 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A lot of people say they don't see them.
I think most of those are players who stick to main pathways doing storyline and quests.
If a player was to spend more time wandering the countryside node farming they'd see a lot of individual bot node farmers or bot-trains hunting wildlife and more isolated NPC encampments in well choreographed hunting parties that stick to specific path circuits for as long as you care to observe.
'Normal' groups of live players aren't capable of following so perfect a route with the timing and precision over and over and over.... around the circle with no appreciable deviation unless a live player got in the path and disrupted the targets, which causes the train to go through an observable 'if/then' decision and move on.
You can see that if happen if you kill or move NPCs from their 'expected location' and watch the bots run to the place the NPCs are supposed to be and generally ignore NPCs that are actually several feet away fighting or dead before they proceed to the next expected attack point to carry on.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If a player was to spend more time wandering the countryside node farming they'd see a lot of individual bot node farmers or bot-trains hunting wildlife and more isolated NPC encampments in well choreographed hunting parties that stick to specific path circuits for as long as you care to observe.
For sure. I don't know what ZOS does when I am not reporting bots, but there are times when I could easily spend a couple hours per day reporting bots. The players who report them seem to be on the front lines of whatever program ZOS has in place to curb botting in this game.
Hopefully, one of y'all are reporting bots on the days when I am busy doing something else.
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All the servers have bots and Zos is extremely slow to react to bot reports. As long as they give bots time to farm before taking action Zos is virtually allowing them to run the show. Unfortunately bots do more to increase inflation than anything that naturally occurs in the game and Matt seems rather fine with their presence.0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
In this, one must be careful. There are legitimate ways to run very fast, and there are players that do it. While they could be running a cheat program to give them extra speed, without having to use in-game methods to get that speed, it isn't always easy to tell from another player's perspective.
The only way to know if they are going too fast is to be one of the people who have maxed out speed, and race them. If they go faster than you, they are cheating. Then again, a smart cheater will cheat, but not go faster than max. Right?.1 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
This is quite possibly a legitimate player farming nodes using fjords/cowards gear, all divines, steed mundus stone, and orc race.0 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
This is quite possibly a legitimate player farming nodes using fjords/cowards gear, all divines, steed mundus stone, and orc race.
Possibly.
But spend a few moments watching, and you can generally spot unnatural motions harvesting and turning to the next node.
Still need to verify?
Watch the 'bot' a little while longer, and beat him to the next node.
He'll run up to it anyway, and stand there a moment or two, before moving on.
You can do this repeatedly.
They go to the node whether it's there or not.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.2 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
This is quite possibly a legitimate player farming nodes using fjords/cowards gear, all divines, steed mundus stone, and orc race.
Possibly.
But spend a few moments watching, and you can generally spot unnatural motions harvesting and turning to the next node.
Still need to verify?
Watch the 'bot' a little while longer, and beat him to the next node.
He'll run up to it anyway, and stand there a moment or two, before moving on.
You can do this repeatedly.
They go to the node whether it's there or not.
I whisper random things like 'is the sprout on fire at the vanity pole?', or 'I will not stand for a tamriel where gulls and filthy pillows can sabotage our cubbies'.
Most humans can't ignore it.0 -
Tylersoh✭✭✭I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
This is quite possibly a legitimate player farming nodes using fjords/cowards gear, all divines, steed mundus stone, and orc race.
Possibly.
But spend a few moments watching, and you can generally spot unnatural motions harvesting and turning to the next node.
Still need to verify?
Watch the 'bot' a little while longer, and beat him to the next node.
He'll run up to it anyway, and stand there a moment or two, before moving on.
You can do this repeatedly.
They go to the node whether it's there or not.
They’ll also pull out their map repeatedly and their usernames are usually just a bunch of letters.
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LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭I've noticed that, at least on Xbox, they are still wearing the clothes from the tutorial in the prison and they haven't changed their gamertag from the default. Default gamertags are two random words followed by a 3-digit number. For example, "railroadcotton583." They don't interact with anyone. They walk up to the node whether it's there or not, stand for about 2 seconds, and move to their next assigned node. Most players won't walk up to a node if someone else is already standing there. I was waiting for a runestone to respawn once and the same bot walked up to the node and stood there about 4 times before the runestone respawned and I picked it up. Then a strange thing happened. At midnight Pacific time, they all disappeared. This was in Stros M'kai. It was weird to see about 20 players (within my view) just vanish. But it was also nice to be rid of the bots for the night.1 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah I’m on PS4 Eu bot problem out of hand there ruining farming 😔Edited by Deathlord92 on July 4, 2019 7:30AM0 -
KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
In this, one must be careful. There are legitimate ways to run very fast, and there are players that do it. While they could be running a cheat program to give them extra speed, without having to use in-game methods to get that speed, it isn't always easy to tell from another player's perspective.
The only way to know if they are going too fast is to be one of the people who have maxed out speed, and race them. If they go faster than you, they are cheating. Then again, a smart cheater will cheat, but not go faster than max. Right?.I'm seeing lots, and I mean LOTS of bots farming mining nodes speed-hacking .. like having perma-sprint at least, if not faster, they can outrun my horse with 60 speed points!
How is this possible over 5 years since release, it's clearly detectable by code if ZOS could be bothered.
This is quite possibly a legitimate player farming nodes using fjords/cowards gear, all divines, steed mundus stone, and orc race.
But are these legit methos going to be available for characters below level 10?
For instance, in all start areas are level 4-8 or so, all in the Covenant all with names that are two names separated by a '-' or '_' which is also the account name and all sprinting all the time .. to me these are clearly bots being run likely by one 'owner'.
I may accept that the 50s I see are more likely to be using the kind of buffs you're teferring to @Pevey but I think it's a racing certainty that there's a bot/speedhack easily available which can mimic this; clearly ZOS could do something about it if they wanted, obviously they don't.
It's like it was playing in the early months of the game, bots everywhere, bots actually 'racing' against other bots, the only things I haven't seen yet are the 'flying' bots and the 'underground' bots which were such a feature during the first 6 months.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »
My thinking is that some people sell their ESO accounts when they leave the game and the people who buy those accounts are botters.But are these legit methos going to be available for characters below level 10?
The people I see speeding around tend to be high CP characters.0 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LadySinflower wrote: »I've noticed that, at least on Xbox, they are still wearing the clothes from the tutorial in the prison and they haven't changed their gamertag from the default. Default gamertags are two random words followed by a 3-digit number. For example, "railroadcotton583." They don't interact with anyone. They walk up to the node whether it's there or not, stand for about 2 seconds, and move to their next assigned node. Most players won't walk up to a node if someone else is already standing there. I was waiting for a runestone to respawn once and the same bot walked up to the node and stood there about 4 times before the runestone respawned and I picked it up. Then a strange thing happened. At midnight Pacific time, they all disappeared. This was in Stros M'kai. It was weird to see about 20 players (within my view) just vanish. But it was also nice to be rid of the bots for the night.
The THAT bot-server probably crashed. Edited by twev on July 4, 2019 9:42PMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0 -
Oliwaltony✭✭✭A lot of people say they don't see them.
I think most of those are players who stick to main pathways doing storyline and quests.
If a player was to spend more time wandering the countryside node farming they'd see a lot of individual bot node farmers or bot-trains hunting wildlife and more isolated NPC encampments in well choreographed hunting parties that stick to specific path circuits for as long as you care to observe.
'Normal' groups of live players aren't capable of following so perfect a route with the timing and precision over and over and over.... around the circle with no appreciable deviation unless a live player got in the path and disrupted the targets, which causes the train to go through an observable 'if/then' decision and move on.
You can see that if happen if you kill or move NPCs from their 'expected location' and watch the bots run to the place the NPCs are supposed to be and generally ignore NPCs that are actually several feet away fighting or dead before they proceed to the next expected attack point to carry on.
Nah man, I learned patterns from different bots in a spot and made my own perfect circle that took both of their supplies. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Took a while observing them to learn it by heart, but not when I wanna farm I mess up with bots0 -
xSkullfox✭✭✭✭✭Groupfinder:
The worst part is when it finally puts you in a group, your healer turns into a werewolf, your tank has 14k HP and the dps is heavy armor, using a restro staff and a two handed sword on the backbar. Then comes the 15 minute penalty before the cycle starts anew.
Rulz of Morrowind:- The first rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- The second rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- Third rule of Morrowind: Someone yells NDA stuff, uploads images, streams, the game is over.
- Fourth rule: only invited players can test.
- Fifth rule: one invite at a time, fellas.
- Sixth rule: crying or bashing on pts.
- Seventh rule: NDA will go on as long as they have to.
- And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first invite at Morrowind, you have to play.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oliwaltony wrote: »'Normal' groups of live players aren't capable of following so perfect a route with the timing and precision over and over and over.... around the circle with no appreciable deviation unless a live player got in the path and disrupted the targets, which causes the train to go through an observable 'if/then' decision and move on.
Nah man, I learned patterns from different bots in a spot and made my own perfect circle that took both of their supplies. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Took a while observing them to learn it by heart, but not when I wanna farm I mess up with bots
What he said is true. You may follow the same circle, hitting the same nodes in the same order, but you don't do it like a bot. People do not behave like bots. People behave like people. People trying to behave like a bot look like people trying to behave like a bot. The bots are going to have to learn to behave like people, and only then will people be able to successfully behave like a bot. I doubt that will ever come to pass.
Bots do not behave like people. People do not behave like bots. I am convinced that this is an immutable rule.1 -
Noblis01✭✭✭I usually see bots perma-sprint on the NA server farming nodes. They run in a circuit.
I do this:
stand at a node you saw them run to before.
gather that node when it pops up
move BACKWARDS in the circuit to the next node the bot would be at
when you see the bot running to you, start to gather that node.
It's a mini-game I play called Trolling Bots.
It wastes some time and it dosen't stop them but it's fun.
The bot stands motionless to compute it's next move, or
its just runs to the next node (but you just picked that.)
If the game managers REALLY wanted to stop the bots on all servers, I'm sure they have the tools to detect them.2 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I usually see bots perma-sprint on the NA server farming nodes. They run in a circuit.
I do this:
stand at a node you saw them run to before.
gather that node when it pops up
move BACKWARDS in the circuit to the next node the bot would be at
when you see the bot running to you, start to gather that node.
It's a mini-game I play called Trolling Bots.
It wastes some time and it dosen't stop them but it's fun.
The bot stands motionless to compute it's next move, or
its just runs to the next node (but you just picked that.)
If the game managers REALLY wanted to stop the bots on all servers, I'm sure they have the tools to detect them.
Ahahahahahaha....hehheh....
You said 'Game Managers'....
::snicker::
Edited by twev on July 5, 2019 10:41AMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0 -
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✭✭✭It's bad across all platforms."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2360 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest | Eternal Champions | Legacy | Tamriel Melting Pot [PS][NA] 2190 CP
- SweetTrolls | Spring Rose | Daggerfall Royal Legion | Tinnitus Delux [PC][EU] 2345 CP
- Bacon Rats | Silverlight Brotherhood | Canis Root Tea Party | Vincula Doloris [PC][NA] 2090 CP
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Hämähäkki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »It's bad across all platforms.
Yeah, and ZOS still has no clue why their performance is so bad
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'Normal' groups of live players aren't capable of following so perfect a route with the timing and precision over and over and over.... around the circle with no appreciable deviation unless a live player got in the path and disrupted the targets, which causes the train to go through an observable 'if/then' decision and move on.
You can see that if happen if you kill or move NPCs from their 'expected location' and watch the bots run to the place the NPCs are supposed to be and generally ignore NPCs that are actually several feet away fighting or dead before they proceed to the next expected attack point to carry on.
its a ball group training for a night raid in cyro0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I generally farm the starter zones, and I see a lot of other players farming, but I've never seen any that looked like bots to me. Moving like the wind, yes. I've seen videos that other players have posted of bot trains, but I've never seen anything like that.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭This will always be a thing unless eso becomes lockedMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »I generally farm the starter zones, and I see a lot of other players farming, but I've never seen any that looked like bots to me. Moving like the wind, yes. I've seen videos that other players have posted of bot trains, but I've never seen anything like that.
If you play on PC NA, and you farm the starter zones, then you have seen, and have been competing with, bots. They are individuals, not trains of bots. I routinely see them on Bleakrock, Khenarthi, and Strohs.
If I wanted to spend my game time reporting bots every day, those would be the places I go to. All I have to do is start farming and eventually one of them will run past me.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »I generally farm the starter zones, and I see a lot of other players farming, but I've never seen any that looked like bots to me. Moving like the wind, yes. I've seen videos that other players have posted of bot trains, but I've never seen anything like that.
If you play on PC NA, and you farm the starter zones, then you have seen, and have been competing with, bots. They are individuals, not trains of bots. I routinely see them on Bleakrock, Khenarthi, and Strohs.
I usually just farm Bal Foyen. I try to farm only when I need more mats for one of my daily crafting writs, and whenever I go to Bal Foyen I tell myself that I'm going to stick to just what I need (which is usually woodworking or jewelry mats), but I always end up grabbing everything else anyway. I'm drowning in rubedite ore, but I can't stop picking up more of it!
I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »I generally farm the starter zones, and I see a lot of other players farming, but I've never seen any that looked like bots to me. Moving like the wind, yes. I've seen videos that other players have posted of bot trains, but I've never seen anything like that.
If you play on PC NA, and you farm the starter zones, then you have seen, and have been competing with, bots. They are individuals, not trains of bots. I routinely see them on Bleakrock, Khenarthi, and Strohs.
I usually just farm Bal Foyen. I try to farm only when I need more mats for one of my daily crafting writs, and whenever I go to Bal Foyen I tell myself that I'm going to stick to just what I need (which is usually woodworking or jewelry mats), but I always end up grabbing everything else anyway. I'm drowning in rubedite ore, but I can't stop picking up more of it!
I tend to farm everything, as well. However, I only go to Bal Foyen when I am hunting bots. I tend to do my farming in places where I don't see bots every time I go there.0
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