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Why is this skill STILL costing magicka to use and not stamina? And are people really using this skill on there stam DK? I honestly feel like the go to heal for stam classes should not always be vigor!
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mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's extremely powerful on tanks, and for my tank I want it to cost Magicka.
Just use vigor for dps it's fine the way it is, tanks have taken enough nerfs as of late...14 -
sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why shouldn't it cost magicka? I use it as a way supplement my regen on my woodelf StamDK, and dont really use magicka for anything but that, wings and my spiky armor, so it make sense to me to use the off resource instead of the main one.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭its only useful in pve and then only on tanksESO player since beta.
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Vermethys✭✭✭✭I think it's designed to be the tank healing ability of the class, and not an ability meant for StamDKs. Think of it as the equivalent of Sorc's Clannfear, Warden's Polar Wind, Necromancer's Hungry Scythe, or NB's Dark Cloak -- they all cost magicka and they are mainly designed for tanks. And the last thing I'd want as a tank is more stamina abilities.
You can use Cauterize on your StamDk if you wish -- it costs magicka still, but it's cheaper and more potent.Edited by Vermethys on July 3, 2019 5:53PMPC EU CP1400+
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✭✭✭✭✭Because it's a health scaling heal? You don't need it to cost stamina. Having good magicka dumps is useful for stamina (although stamDK is not lacking in that department to be fair) since they have 8-10k of it anyway and it can't be utilised for sprint and break free like stamina on magicka builds.
And yes, tanks want it to cost magicka since stamina is for blocking/taunting and magicka is for everything else. GDB also happens to be a dedicated tank skill so what's the problem?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why is this skill STILL costing magicka to use and not stamina? And are people really using this skill on there stam DK? I honestly feel like the go to heal for stam classes should not always be vigor!
A health scaling self-heal screams tanks. Though, yeah, you can use it on your stam DK. I still do, sometimes.
Also worth remembering, the parts of it that actually scale do so with your max health (the heal) and your stamina recovery (the Endurance buff), so this is a utility skill that costs magicka, but still scales with stuff you (presumably) care about. Downside is that the heal is really underwhelming. If it was a flat 30% max health, that'd be worth using. As is, with it being a % of missing health, it's not that great.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.
Oh, come on... OP asked why GDB cost magicka, answer is because all healing in the game cost magicka with exception of vigor and shrooms, which I mentioned, I don't know why you repeat this. Vigor is a crutch, and shrooms are just an unfinished design of stam healer. Ultimate scaling is a complex thing and it is ultimate... cleansing ritual heal is a synergy..1 -
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✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.
Oh, come on... OP asked why GDB cost magicka, answer is because all healing in the game cost magicka with exception of vigor and shrooms, which I mentioned, I don't know why you repeat this. Vigor is a crutch, and shrooms are just an unfinished design of stam healer. Ultimate scaling is a complex thing and it is ultimate... cleansing ritual heal is a synergy..
umm...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156Cleansing Ritual: This ability and its morphs will now grant healing and/or damage based on the users' highest offensive stats, rather than just Max Magicka and Spell Damage.
also, you did not say "costs" in your post before this one, you said " scales with", that is what starkerealm is repling too. not the op. you are wrong saying what you did and now you are walking it back.
Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 3, 2019 7:51PM3 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.
Oh, come on... OP asked why GDB cost magicka, answer is because all healing in the game cost magicka with exception of vigor and shrooms, which I mentioned, I don't know why you repeat this. Vigor is a crutch, and shrooms are just an unfinished design of stam healer. Ultimate scaling is a complex thing and it is ultimate... cleansing ritual heal is a synergy..
umm...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156Cleansing Ritual: This ability and its morphs will now grant healing and/or damage based on the users' highest offensive stats, rather than just Max Magicka and Spell Damage.
also, you did not say "costs" in your post before this one, you said " scales with", that is what MartiniDaniels is repling too. not the op. you are wrong saying what you did and now you are walking it back.
Ok, you got me here, I mistyped in first post and tried to cover it instead of admitting.
but this doesn't change point and cleansing ritual still costs magicka. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.
Oh, come on... OP asked why GDB cost magicka, answer is because all healing in the game cost magicka with exception of vigor and shrooms, which I mentioned, I don't know why you repeat this. Vigor is a crutch, and shrooms are just an unfinished design of stam healer. Ultimate scaling is a complex thing and it is ultimate... cleansing ritual heal is a synergy..
umm...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156Cleansing Ritual: This ability and its morphs will now grant healing and/or damage based on the users' highest offensive stats, rather than just Max Magicka and Spell Damage.
also, you did not say "costs" in your post before this one, you said " scales with", that is what MartiniDaniels is repling too. not the op. you are wrong saying what you did and now you are walking it back.
Ok, you got me here, I mistyped in first post and tried to cover it instead of admitting. but this doesn't change point and cleansing ritual still costs magicka.
And scales with.
When you get right down to it, there are a lot of reasons to use Mag abilities on a stam build, if those skills either don't scale at all, or scale with stam.
It doesn't answer why GDB scales with magicka, but it is good to understand that GDB costing magicka is, in fact, a good thing for any StamKnight that wants to run it.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Because all the healing in the game scales with magicka (with exception of vigor and shrooms ofc)
No.
Most abilities scale with the resource pool they're cast from. However, there are some heals which are an exception. The most common you'll see are health scaling. Technically, GDB scales with the damage you've taken... which is weird, but life goes on.
There are some stam scaling heals. Vigor, because it's a stam skill. Same with any heal that morphs to stamina, hence Shrooms. Also ultimate will scale with the larger resource pool. This means that Trees, Barrier, and Rite of Passage are all stam scaling (I still wouldn't recommend a Stamplar run RoP, but, their funerals.) Cleansing Ritual scales with stam if it's the larger pool.
Beyond that, a number of heals scale with your max health, such as the Clanfear's click effect, Dark Cloak, and Arctic Wind all come to mind.
As far as I can remember, all health scaling heals are self targeted. But, those do exist.
Oh, come on... OP asked why GDB cost magicka, answer is because all healing in the game cost magicka with exception of vigor and shrooms, which I mentioned, I don't know why you repeat this. Vigor is a crutch, and shrooms are just an unfinished design of stam healer. Ultimate scaling is a complex thing and it is ultimate... cleansing ritual heal is a synergy..
umm...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6062156/#Comment_6062156Cleansing Ritual: This ability and its morphs will now grant healing and/or damage based on the users' highest offensive stats, rather than just Max Magicka and Spell Damage.
also, you did not say "costs" in your post before this one, you said " scales with", that is what MartiniDaniels is repling too. not the op. you are wrong saying what you did and now you are walking it back.
Ok, you got me here, I mistyped in first post and tried to cover it instead of admitting. but this doesn't change point and cleansing ritual still costs magicka.
And scales with.
When you get right down to it, there are a lot of reasons to use Mag abilities on a stam build, if those skills either don't scale at all, or scale with stam.
It doesn't answer why GDB scales with magicka, but it is good to understand that GDB costing magicka is, in fact, a good thing for any StamKnight that wants to run it.
Tbh, GDB works good only on PVE tanks. I tried using it in PVP, and heal is just miserable for the cost, even on low HP, and you obviously don't want to be pushed to low HP to be executed... so far fragmenting+vigor outperforms GDB by huge margin.0 -
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✭Just make the other morph of dragons blood scale off your highest max stat.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭You'd rather have your utility heal cost a primary resource. . .?
Not sure how game works or. . ?
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Because you're using your magicka for... what, exactly?
In @MartiniDaniels's defense, GDB is kinda underwhelming for a StamKnight, but not because it's a magicka skill.
Most of the time, the advice is, "don't mix magicka and stamina for DPS." Reason being, most abilities scale with the resource pool that you use to cast it. So, for example, you're not going to want to run flame whip on a StamKnight because the damage will be poor, and you'd be better off using... pretty much anything that costs green koolaid instead.
The exception sneaks in when you have abilities that don't scale at all, or ones that scale with other resources. For example, Stam Knights may use Molten Armaments. The ability costs magicka, and increases your heavy attack damage by a fixed %. (I want to say it's +50% to heavy attack at rank 4, but it's been a minute.) That % doesn't change based on the size of your magicka pool, so the ability remains useful regardless which stat you're doing damage with. (Incidentally, the Igneous Weapons morph looks more appealing for a stam user as it provides Major Brutality. This isn't as important as it looks, given Major Brutality is pretty easy to obtain from other sources (both melee DPS weapons can apply it), and heavy attacks are, absolutely, worth doing as part of your rotation.)
The problem with GDB isn't that it's a magicka skill, it's that it scales with the amount of health you're missing. This makes it good for a quick panic heal when you're at low health, but leads to it under-performing the rest of the time. If you're running a 2h, I'd recommend Rally over GDB in a heartbeat because it's a long acting HoT with Major Brutality. But, that's because GDB disappoints, not because it's a mag skill.0 -
Metafae✭✭✭✭✭How about we get rid of stamina and magicka, and just make one bar called Lazy Points. And everything scales off Lazy Points..
Honestly people...0
