Orc Stamsorc sustain (PVE)

Amorpho

Other than wearing the set Vicious Ophidian/Serpent, what's the most effective way to sustain on an Orc Stamsorc (PVE)? Recently, I've been considering using the blue food Lava Foot Soup-And-Saltrice (Increase Max Stamina by 4575 and Stamina Recovery by 457 for 2 hours) and use health glyphs on body and/or reallocate some stat points into health to get to 18k. Ideally for Trials.

Any thoughts?

Vildebill

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

The_Lex

I put 10 points into health and use Lava Foot Soup.

Amorpho

The_Lex wrote: »

I put 10 points into health and use Lava Foot Soup.

Do you get to 18k health?

Amorpho

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

That would mean no poisons, unless there are poisons that drain stam back to you? I think there are but I am not sure if they perform better than a glyph

Rev Rielle

Simplest might be to try some Dubious Camoran Throne Drink (Maximum Health & Stamina, Stamina Recovery) and add a couple of health glyphs to your equipment. The dps you'll lose is largely trivial (hit a target dummy a couple of times before and after to see). Or perhaps add a heavy attack to your rotation somewhere, that's probably the simplest thing actually?

ZonasArch

Amorpho wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

That would mean no poisons, unless there are poisons that drain stam back to you? I think there are but I am not sure if they perform better than a glyph

There are draining Stam poison, yes

ryzen_gamer_gal

longfin pasty in melon sauce tristat purple food

NupidStoob

Dubious or Artaeum as food. Heavy attacks in rotation if needed. 1-2 stamina recovery glyphs on jewelry instead of weapon damage. Absorb stam glyph. Better orb and synergy support from your healers/tanks.

Use Rapid Strikes as spammable. It's super cheap.

There are many ways to help with sustain. You don't need 18k HP either, it's quite a lot honestly. Sure you lack some red CP to help your defenses, but still you can do most trials/dungeons with 15-16k so make sure to wear 7 medium, it helps a lot with sustain as well.

The_Lex

Amorpho wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

I put 10 points into health and use Lava Foot Soup.

Do you get to 18k health?

17ish. 18 when tank wears Ebon.

akray21

I'm wearing Stormfist, VO, and Tzogvin’s. All stamina enchantments on the body, and all robust WD jewelry. One absorb stamina enchantment on the offhand. Braised rabbit with spring vegetables.

Tzogvin’s DPS loss to AY is marginal (something like 0.7%), but it allows you to not have to cast rearming trap which equates to roughly 120 stam regen and an easier rotation. I also don't need to run potions in easier content because I slot camo hunter on the front bar (major savagery) in place of trap, and crit surge (major brutality) on the back bar in place of bound armaments. Saves tons of gold for pledges and still maintains high dps.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

John_Falstaff

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

Amorpho

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

But if I had berserker enchant on my infused bow, I would lose half the potency of absorb stam enchant on my front bar (dual wield)

Amorpho

What's the recipe for absorb stamina poison?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

Amorpho

What's the health level I should have for trials on stamsorc? Also, should I be a vampire?

Aedh

Amorpho wrote: »

What's the recipe for absorb stamina poison?

Dragonthorn / Blessed Thistle / Wormwood (or Water Hyacinth) looks interesting (never tried it before) :

sharquez

Aedh wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

What's the recipe for absorb stamina poison?

Dragonthorn / Blessed Thistle / Wormwood (or Water Hyacinth) looks interesting (never tried it before) :

No no no... You do not want to use that diluted poison unless you are using assassin's guile. Poisons are more effective the less effects you have on them. Find 3 ingredients that work out to JUST restore stamina with no other effects to get the best uptime.

NupidStoob

Aedh wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

What's the recipe for absorb stamina poison?

Dragonthorn / Blessed Thistle / Wormwood (or Water Hyacinth) looks interesting (never tried it before) :

The whole point of using poisons is that they deal more damage than enchants, but since this poison doesn't deal damage absorb stamina enchant will be stronger.

Knightpanther

Dark Deal??

Be safe

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

nothing, has everything with doing more then average dps, what i was talking about, if i did more light attacks, while i was spamming abilities, i would have more dps then i have now. i just cant cant. hence " i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people"

kind of funny you assumed that i was thinking that light attacks had anything to with sustain. i think that says more about you then me.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

nothing, has everything with doing more then average dps, what i was talking about, if i did more light attacks, while i was spamming abilities, i would have more dps then i have now. i just cant cant. hence " i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people"

kind of funny you assumed that i was thinking that light attacks had anything to with sustain. i think that says more about you then me.

Well the thread is about sustain. You then talked about the trade offs you made because you like to spam abiliities and that you hate light attacking. I am simply pointing out that light attacks have nothing to do with sustain. I was also attempting to point out that spamming abilities cant get around global cooldowns. I cast just as many abiliites per second doing a complex light attack weaving rotation as the next guy does that just spams one ability over and over. Spam skills if anything are typically cheaper than other abilities, so if all you do is mash the same spam skill over and over, if anything, you should need to make fewer tradeoffs than your average DPS, not more.

sevomd69

Use Lava food...20 into health...orbs...hopefully your one of your healers running rkugamz or symphony...and if you are in a stam heavy group maybe healer running Master resto... BTW only need 18K health in certain situations (eg Fire Dragon in vSS)...just don't stand in stupid...and move out of cleaves...

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

nothing, has everything with doing more then average dps, what i was talking about, if i did more light attacks, while i was spamming abilities, i would have more dps then i have now. i just cant cant. hence " i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people"

kind of funny you assumed that i was thinking that light attacks had anything to with sustain. i think that says more about you then me.

Well the thread is about sustain. You then talked about the trade offs you made because you like to spam abiliities and that you hate light attacking. I am simply pointing out that light attacks have nothing to do with sustain. I was also attempting to point out that spamming abilities cant get around global cooldowns. I cast just as many abiliites per second doing a complex light attack weaving rotation as the next guy does that just spams one ability over and over. Spam skills if anything are typically cheaper than other abilities, so if all you do is mash the same spam skill over and over, if anything, you should need to make fewer tradeoffs than your average DPS, not more.

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Feric51

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

I assume he meant that he is constantly at zero stamina and left with nothing other than light attacks to deal damage while he waits for enough stamina to use another skill.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Feric51 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

I assume he meant that he is constantly at zero stamina and left with nothing other than light attacks to deal damage while he waits for enough stamina to use another skill.

no, i was basically saying i am not the best dps because i dont light attack weave, i just don't have the dexterity(physical and/or mental, whatever) to. when i say i spam abilities, i mean i also overcast my spammable a lot (as it is fun, to me, to use most of them). i could not sustain that. so i changed my build (all my builds generally have way more sustain then most i see) to suit that playstyle and my dps went up. by a lot.

Amorpho

NupidStoob wrote: »

Aedh wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

What's the recipe for absorb stamina poison?

Dragonthorn / Blessed Thistle / Wormwood (or Water Hyacinth) looks interesting (never tried it before) :

The whole point of using poisons is that they deal more damage than enchants, but since this poison doesn't deal damage absorb stamina enchant will be stronger.

Yes, diluting is not great. However, I noticed that diluting doesn't affect stam returns (at least in alchemy calculator, I still have to test it tomorrow in game). If that's the case, I will settle for something that gives me stam returns and poison damage.

D0PAMINE

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

nothing, has everything with doing more then average dps, what i was talking about, if i did more light attacks, while i was spamming abilities, i would have more dps then i have now. i just cant cant. hence " i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people"

kind of funny you assumed that i was thinking that light attacks had anything to with sustain. i think that says more about you then me.

Im actually surprised you don't weave. Based on your posts you know a lot about how combat works. I thought you would have rather high dps. My dps is average and I do weave when I can.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Stormfist monster helm, absorb stamina glyph on a weapon.

This. Absorb Stam is like 300 regen. Don't worry about poisons, you get a ton of damage from the enchantment too.

You could also run dark conversion. It is a great skill and once you get the hang of it, is like another 300 regen.

Not sure if you can get 300 regen from absorb on the front though, and if you'll place it on the back bar, you'd have to sacrifice weapon damage glyph, not poison. It's a lot to sacrifice.

well yeah, if you want sustain, you have to drop something somewhere, tell you what though, i started to do more damage when i did what i have there, i was constantly out of stam otherwise, though i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people, it made playing the game more fun for me. i love spamming abilities. don't like light attacking.

What does light attacking have to do with sustain? This is what people miss a lot I think. Light attacks have their own distinctly separate global cooldown. When you spam abiliites, you can either weave or not, but not weaving doesnt allow the ability spam to happen any faster. Your sustain is essentially the same whether or not you weave, the only difference is DPS.

Practically speaking, a fight wont last as long if you weave so the sustain you need is less, but otherwise, LA weaving really isnt part of the sustain conversation.

nothing, has everything with doing more then average dps, what i was talking about, if i did more light attacks, while i was spamming abilities, i would have more dps then i have now. i just cant cant. hence " i am clearly not as good of dps as a lot of people"

kind of funny you assumed that i was thinking that light attacks had anything to with sustain. i think that says more about you then me.

Im actually surprised you don't weave. Based on your posts you know a lot about how combat works. I thought you would have rather high dps. My dps is average and I do weave when I can.

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. believe me, if i could, i would. there is just something about pulling a trigger (i play on pc but use an xbox one controller) every second between every button press that my brain/hands cant/wont get/process. so i don't worry about it, i get ~30k(~50k on the the iron atro) most of the time anyways, that is enough for all the content i run.