Pummeling Goliath/Sword&Board Bash damage changes.

Nicalas

The effect of the new S&B passive flat damage change.


Unbuffed Sword and Board

Unbuffed Two Handed

UndeniablyAVG

What were these numbers before the nerf?

Nicalas

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

What were these numbers before the nerf?

Take the 2nd number and increase it by 100 percent.

LeglessUK

Nicalas wrote: »

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

What were these numbers before the nerf?

Take the 2nd number and increase it by 100 percent.

Your maths is terrible

Nicalas

LeglessUK wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

What were these numbers before the nerf?

Take the 2nd number and increase it by 100 percent.

Your maths is terrible

No my math isn't terrible. As goliath is usually back bar on 2H and then swapped to SB bar it's pretty easy to know that if my SB passive increases my damage by 100 percent. I can add 5700+5700 and that is a pretty good estimation of what the SB tooltip was pre passive change. The SB bar has slightly less overall weapon damage so it's actually probably a bit less than that.

What I'm trying to show is that the new SB passive now gives no advantage to the bash build outside of the cost reduction. The 500 added damage only brings it in line with other skill lines like 2H/DW for overall damage.



Here is a screenshot of a tooltip fully buffed pre nerfs on a SB bar. 500 Balorgh proc, Ravager, 3x gold infused bash damage glyphs.

leepalmer95

Nicalas wrote: »

LeglessUK wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

What were these numbers before the nerf?

Take the 2nd number and increase it by 100 percent.

Your maths is terrible

No my math isn't terrible. As goliath is usually back bar on 2H and then swapped to SB bar it's pretty easy to know that if my SB passive increases my damage by 100 percent. I can add 5700+5700 and that is a pretty good estimation of what the SB tooltip was pre passive change. The SB bar has slightly less overall weapon damage so it's actually probably a bit less than that.

What I'm trying to show is that the new SB passive now gives no advantage to the bash build outside of the cost reduction. The 500 added damage only brings it in line with other skill lines like 2H/DW for overall damage.



Here is a screenshot of a tooltip fully buffed pre nerfs on a SB bar. 500 Balorgh proc, Ravager, 3x gold infused bash damage glyphs.

Is the first pictures fully buffed as well?

I don't think the dmg will have been nerfed to a big extent as you make it seem.

Sure s&b doesn't double the dmg anymore but now stamina buffs it as well. So yeah it's a nerf but not that much of a nerf.

Maybe the pure 7k wpn dmg stacks took a noticable hit, but to a generic build with 4-5k wpn dmg and 30k-40k stam it shouldn't be too much of a nerf.

DreadDaedroth

Wow to adjust the Necromancer ultimate they ruined the 1h/shield skill too, thanks for whines!

Nicalas

Is the first pictures fully buffed as well?

I don't think the dmg will have been nerfed to a big extent as you make it seem.

Sure s&b doesn't double the dmg anymore but now stamina buffs it as well. So yeah it's a nerf but not that much of a nerf.

Maybe the pure 7k wpn dmg stacks took a noticable hit, but to a generic build with 4-5k wpn dmg and 30k-40k stam it shouldn't be too much of a nerf.

The first pictures were taken unbuffed from a slightly different build I had been running that was more focused on sustained bashing.

I was just trying to see how the new passive scaled the ultimate. As you can see all it does is now bring it in line with the other weapon lines. It previously doubled the tooltip damage when ran with S&B.

I did put on the 25k build and then added a max stamina set over a sustain set. Increasing overall stamina by 4k without sacrificing any previous damage.



With the same damage procs+4k additional stamina this is the current tooltip after passive changes.

leepalmer95

Nicalas wrote: »

Is the first pictures fully buffed as well?

I don't think the dmg will have been nerfed to a big extent as you make it seem.

Sure s&b doesn't double the dmg anymore but now stamina buffs it as well. So yeah it's a nerf but not that much of a nerf.

Maybe the pure 7k wpn dmg stacks took a noticable hit, but to a generic build with 4-5k wpn dmg and 30k-40k stam it shouldn't be too much of a nerf.

The first pictures were taken unbuffed from a slightly different build I had been running that was more focused on sustained bashing.

I was just trying to see how the new passive scaled the ultimate. As you can see all it does is now bring it in line with the other weapon lines. It previously doubled the tooltip damage when ran with S&B.

I did put on the 25k build and then added a max stamina set over a sustain set. Increasing overall stamina by 4k without sacrificing any previous damage.



With the same damage procs+4k additional stamina this is the current tooltip after passive changes.

Hmm thats weird it shouldn't of straight up halved.

Oh well i'm kind of glad bash is nerfed.


Not very please the class outside of bash is useless, broken and buggy.

Nicalas

DreadDaedroth wrote: »

Wow to adjust the Necromancer ultimate they ruined the 1h/shield skill too, thanks for whines!

I think this is the real problem.

Sanct16

DreadDaedroth wrote: »

Wow to adjust the Necromancer ultimate they ruined the 1h/shield skill too, thanks for whines!

Bashing wasn't really a relevant mechanic in terms of damage tho.

Strider__Roshin

Sanct16 wrote: »

DreadDaedroth wrote: »

Wow to adjust the Necromancer ultimate they ruined the 1h/shield skill too, thanks for whines!

Bashing wasn't really a relevant mechanic in terms of damage tho.

In PvP it is, but SnB overperformans in PvP. More nerfs are needed, but this was a necessary start.

Shadowasrial

I’m sorry but a shield bash should stun and do minor damage compared to getting hit by a big ass *** sword. So this was needed

Mr_Walker

Good move, this only makes tanks less palatable to play overland, more of it, I look forward to the day we have a 4 hour queue to play as a dps in a dungeon.