PvP - some classes now are extremely hard to kill

Van_Winkle

Yes, all plain and simple - some classes now are extremely hard to kill.With all this heal-reduction nerfs and with mad self-heal, game start looking like "World of Tanks". Tanks, that stack 5k weapon damage and heal themselves like a templar healer. Pet sorcs that do the same. Ten or more players trying to kill one stam dk tank and die in process? It is a common situation now. And yea, this is not "L2P" issue - every good player will say to you, that killing this cancer tanks is like torture now and a stupid waste of time. May be Zos should look at this and make fights again more faster and skill-based, and not tank-based?

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Elwendryll

I would suggest avoiding titles like that, some people may not appreciate, at all, and I wouldn't blame them.

Edit: The title changed twice since this post.

CoachPower

Let me guess, you play CP pvp?

Elwendryll

no-CP PvP has much shorter fights.
People can argue that there is unbalance, but it has nothing to do with CP PvP, give it a try if you find people too hard to kill.

Van_Winkle

CoachPower wrote: »

Let me guess, you play CP pvp?

It

Elwendryll wrote: »

no-CP PvP has much shorter fights.
People can argue that there is unbalance, but it has nothing to do with CP PvP, give it a try if you find people too hard to kill.

No CP has the same issue. If you guys do not meet good tanks with good non-cp builds - well, i guess its you problem.

Elwendryll

Van_Winkle wrote: »

No CP has the same issue. If you guys do not meet good tanks with good non-cp builds - well, i guess its you problem.

Don't worry, I have myself an unkillable tank in BG. The thing is, it's less common and harder to achieve on non-CP. And, the "unkillable" tanks in non-CP don't have the same damage output, they're more an annoyance than a threat, if you want my opinion.

Van_Winkle

Elwendryll wrote: »

Don't worry, I have myself an unkillable tank in BG. The thing is, it's less common and harder to achieve on non-CP. And, the "unkillable" tanks in non-CP don't have the same damage output, they're more an annoyance than a threat, if you want my opinion.

They just use Valkyn Scoria and Sload-like sets to kill you on non-cp.

Elwendryll

Van_Winkle wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

Don't worry, I have myself an unkillable tank in BG. The thing is, it's less common and harder to achieve on non-CP. And, the "unkillable" tanks in non-CP don't have the same damage output, they're more an annoyance than a threat, if you want my opinion.

They just use Valkyn Scoria and Sload-like sets to kill you on non-cp.

Sorry then, I'm out of constructiveness to bring to this thread.

Van_Winkle

Specially for people who thinks that every mentioning of some problem it is discrimination and insulting i have rename this topic, to avoid flooding it with off-topic comments.

Massacre_Wurm

Van_Winkle wrote: »

CoachPower wrote: »

Let me guess, you play CP pvp?

It

Elwendryll wrote: »

no-CP PvP has much shorter fights.
People can argue that there is unbalance, but it has nothing to do with CP PvP, give it a try if you find people too hard to kill.

No CP has the same issue. If you guys do not meet good tanks with good non-cp builds - well, i guess its you problem.

Bs. No CP has reverse issue - players have to much damage. If you playing with playes who using autoattack only - i guess its your problem.

Elwendryll

If you want a catchy/clickbait title, you found one yourself "ESO is becoming World of Tanks". I understand your concerns, they are based on a legitimate issue, but you're not helping your cause.

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Van_Winkle wrote: »

They just use Valkyn Scoria and Sload-like sets to kill you on non-cp.

Haven't seen that on my death recap in ages, seen it proc a lot, try rolling maybe?

TriangularChicken

Van_Winkle wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

Don't worry, I have myself an unkillable tank in BG. The thing is, it's less common and harder to achieve on non-CP. And, the "unkillable" tanks in non-CP don't have the same damage output, they're more an annoyance than a threat, if you want my opinion.

They just use Valkyn Scoria and Sload-like sets to kill you on non-cp.

Lmao Skoria and Sloads are so easy to block (Skoria) and dodge (Sloads) nowadays (and I love the changes, gives skilled players a chance to counter them). To bring them up in a discussion about no cp being unbalanced shows how clueless you are..

..but yes, I agree, there are a lot of tanks in CP because CP carry too much...the block, roll and break free reduction saves you so much stamina..that in combination with the unchained passive and a few other CP stars is what makes CP unbalanced.

Mappy2kx

I like when tanks are tanks thats why we called them like that , because are hard to be killed !

Van_Winkle

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I like when tanks are tanks thats why we called them like that , because are hard to be killed !

Sure! I like them too! In PvE-dungeons.

Sylosi

Tanks being able to get high weapon damage could be seen as silly, but then on that basis the same could be said about weapon/spell damage contributing to heals.

It is just the type of game ESO is, if you want highly honed balance and skilled PvP, then for many, many reasons you are simply playing the wrong game and always have been.

Elwendryll

Van_Winkle wrote: »

Thing that you are talking about may be help you in duels, but not in BG or Cyro battles.

🤔

Banana

Whats going on here. Not one performance complaint. Youve got it easy.

JumpmanLane

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Skoria has a visual cue as well. NOW. Run more pen and more damage or something. Nobody that can kill you is too tanky to kill. Ignore the rest.

And numbers don’t count. 10 guys chasing one guy around a tree and they ALL die are trash. I’m not saying I’m the greatest PvPer since sliced bread but if I xv1 a fool, that fool dies lol.

zaria

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

Van_Winkle wrote: »

CoachPower wrote: »

Let me guess, you play CP pvp?

It

Elwendryll wrote: »

no-CP PvP has much shorter fights.
People can argue that there is unbalance, but it has nothing to do with CP PvP, give it a try if you find people too hard to kill.

No CP has the same issue. If you guys do not meet good tanks with good non-cp builds - well, i guess its you problem.

Bs. No CP has reverse issue - players have to much damage. If you playing with playes who using autoattack only - i guess its your problem.

How do you auto attack in ESO? Yes you kind of spam HA holding attack button down.

Frozen_Heart246

Zos just dont give a damn about PvP and PvP comunity at all. All they intrestred in it's PvE content which brings money. PvP players dont spen money to be honest, maybe only for a subscribtion. Thats all the point.

About PvP in general it's awesome: sieging, castle capture and all that but so unbalanced. As you say some calsses or builds can litterally can have both perfect protection/healing and insane damage.

The main problem is that ZOS try to balance PvP and PvE at the same time what of course doesnt work...

Greate joke about "World of Tanks" tho

VagabondAngel

The problem, succinctly and without causing offence to anyone, is the ability to fulfil all roles with one build. A tank should do low dps, a healer the same, a dps have poor tank and mediocre healing, etc. In eso all you need to do is roll a magicka shield/pet sorc or stam anything with meta fotm sets and you can do everything. It isn't a l2p issue when one guy can stand in the combined output of 10+ players and/or siege weapons and take next to no damage, not even blocking or casting skills.

The issue isn't one good player kiting round a tree; good players who use situational awareness and los has always been a thing. What's happening now is something else entirely.... and the result is impossibly tanky, self-healing dps monsters who can survive almost anything. Seen the ones who can jump off Alessia bridge and swim around in the slaughter fish?

Yeah, l2p slaughter fish.

Skoomah

Ahm... you got the games you asked for? Every technique used to kill someone was met with pages of nerf requests. So now classes are homogenized and the tools available to get kills are being limited with every patch. Complaints when dying a lot. Complaints when not dying enough. What do you guys want from ZOS?

Noctus

SilverPaws wrote: »

Yep L2P issue. When you say 10 players can't kill one player then it's just because they are not good.

or its cp pvp and all people have the same 1 vs x build.

ZonasArch

Van_Winkle wrote: »

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I like when tanks are tanks thats why we called them like that , because are hard to be killed !

Sure! I like them too! In PvE-dungeons.

So you're trying this hard to choose your opponents in the middle do the war? Afraid to lose, are you?

Hehe you can't choose that, friend. L2p. If you're complaining that they are too tanky, hit harder. Go medium or light armor yourself. Not enough? Change sets or skills. I promise it'll be enough eventually as no one is ever unbeatable.

Again... Can't choose the gear your enemy will wear just to favor you because you're weak and afraid. This is a war game.

ZonasArch

VagabondAngel wrote: »

The problem, succinctly and without causing offence to anyone, is the ability to fulfil all roles with one build. A tank should do low dps, a healer the same, a dps have poor tank and mediocre healing, etc. In eso all you need to do is roll a magicka shield/pet sorc or stam anything with meta fotm sets and you can do everything. It isn't a l2p issue when one guy can stand in the combined output of 10+ players and/or siege weapons and take next to no damage, not even blocking or casting skills.

The issue isn't one good player kiting round a tree; good players who use situational awareness and los has always been a thing. What's happening now is something else entirely.... and the result is impossibly tanky, self-healing dps monsters who can survive almost anything. Seen the ones who can jump off Alessia bridge and swim around in the slaughter fish?

Yeah, l2p slaughter fish.

Fish damage scales exponentially, can't be survived at all, no matter your build. You saw a fast swimmer with balls of steel hauling butt to shore before the damage scaled too much.

Van_Winkle

ZonasArch wrote: »

Van_Winkle wrote: »

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I like when tanks are tanks thats why we called them like that , because are hard to be killed !

Sure! I like them too! In PvE-dungeons.

So you're trying this hard to choose your opponents in the middle do the war? Afraid to lose, are you?

Hehe you can't choose that, friend. L2p. If you're complaining that they are too tanky, hit harder. Go medium or light armor yourself. Not enough? Change sets or skills. I promise it'll be enough eventually as no one is ever unbeatable.

I already mentioned type of people that you to belongs as well. No wish to spend my time to answering on such nonsense. Sorry (no).

ZonasArch wrote: »

This is a war game.

A you sure you playing the right game? Teso is PvE game.

VagabondAngel

ZonasArch wrote: »

Fish damage scales exponentially, can't be survived at all, no matter your build. You saw a fast swimmer with balls of steel hauling butt to shore before the damage scaled too much.

I've seen that as well but is not what I was referring to. I've seen with my own eyes someone in the water for a significant time, not just making it out alive That must have been something else entirely then but I don't like to assume cheating every time I see something I don't at first understand.

ZonasArch

VagabondAngel wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Fish damage scales exponentially, can't be survived at all, no matter your build. You saw a fast swimmer with balls of steel hauling butt to shore before the damage scaled too much.

I've seen that as well but is not what I was referring to. I've seen with my own eyes someone in the water for a significant time, not just making it out alive That must have been something else entirely then but I don't like to assume cheating every time I see something I don't at first understand.

But in that case, b it may be safe to assume...

Insco851

Join them. Rolling for pure dmg specs/glass cannon gets you killed.

Deathlord92

Pet sorcs are horrible to fight and the problem with stam dks are the ones that use dots with reverb bash major defile this stam dk build is horrible to fight.

Deathlord92

I don’t mention the sets because everyone likely knows and the ones that don’t let’s be honest it’s not terrible thing because we don’t need more dots reverb bash dks 😊