Meteor is terrible in 2019

Fur_like_snow

TLDR: remove delay on impact from meteor.

Early this morning I was fighting this AD group at glade. I’d run into the same necro who kept using meteor. The damage was pathetic because I would just block it.

Now Imagine for a moment that you went to DB or leap someone but they knew your plan a full second before it fired so they blocked in anticipation. What would be the point of slotting those ultimates?

Remove delay on impact from meteor. It’s already expensive and none uses it seriously anymore. Make meteor great again!

Ahzek

The whole point of meteor is the delay which allows to combine it with other skills for burst damage. We need different ultimates in this game.

GhostofDatthaw

Ahzek wrote: »

The whole point of meteor is the delay which allows to combine it with other skills for burst damage. We need different ultimates in this game.

Yeah, but that's only possible on two classes with unblock able cc

GhostofDatthaw

I'm not agreeing with instant, but idk. It is a strange ult. Maybe slightly recduce cost to like 175 or something

Waffennacht

Well necro at least has colossus to replace meteor in your example.
DK has Leap
Warden... Has Permafrost I suppose
Templar has sweeps I guess
NB has incap
Sorc has Atro

(Instant ish abilities that deal damage)

Meteor can also CC surrounding enemies if they don't block...

I mean I don't see Meteor really used anymore... But it does give options...

Maybe it'll get more attention down the road

Trueconch

I agree meteor is too easy to block, the telegraph and delay results in whole burst getting blocked. Telegraph should be gone but keep the sound que.

wheem_ESO

While I do think Meteor needs some improvements, the damage would almost certainly have to be adjusted (downwards) if it were to become an instant cast with no warning. Otherwise, Mag Sorcs would be able to 1-shot nearly everyone in BGs and no-CP Cyrodiil; either hold block before every curse explosion, or it's game over if he/she has enough Ult saved up. It'd be like a longer range, less telegraphed, less avoidable version of the Stam Warden burst combo.

oxygen_thief

wheem_ESO wrote: »

While I do think Meteor needs some improvements, the damage would almost certainly have to be adjusted (downwards) if it were to become an instant cast with no warning. Otherwise, Mag Sorcs would be able to 1-shot nearly everyone in BGs and no-CP Cyrodiil; either hold block before every curse explosion, or it's game over if he/she has enough Ult saved up. It'd be like a longer range, less telegraphed, less avoidable version of the Stam Warden burst combo.

buff meteor and nerf sorcs. its easy

Seraphayel

Maybe make one of the morphs instant, cheaper and deal 33% less direct damage?

WrathOfInnos

I’d like to see it provide more passive utility, like Flawless Dawnbreaker does with the extra weapon damage. The active portion is fine IMO, including the delay. Maybe it could do a little more damage if it did not stun.

airilie

Changing one of the morphs makes a lot of sense to me. Instant cast would be so much better even if the damage was lower and/or the stun was removed. Outside of class abilities, magicka has meteor, soul assault, vamp and destro ult - none do instant direct damage. So on sorc in bgs I end up running DB, which sucks but I prefer its mechanics over the magicka ults.

JumpmanLane

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

Drdeath20

Mages guild passives and both morphs meteor are near perfect.

I have more problems with the mages guild skills.

Beardimus

It's been meh for a while. Against decent players it's no threat

LoreToo

We need rework of this ult. In masslag this "delay" is sometimes 2-3 seconds, so if you block it on its proc you will still get stun cause of lag. Main ult concept is totaly ok, its AoE, not single-target skill, with great opportunity to stop groups. But with lagfest its too OP

Victor_Blade

The delay is for added burst. I sometimes use it on my magblade in duels. Meteor > reach > merciless = dead

GhostofDatthaw

Victor_Blade wrote: »

The delay is for added burst. I sometimes use it on my magblade in duels. Meteor > reach > merciless = dead

Not if they just tap block. Fear, fossilize, and ruNE cage the only sure fire way tI land it

React

On console the game is so broken that you can basically attempt to dodge roll every meteor and you'll block it mid dodge almost every single time. I actually do this with the vast majority that get used on me because its so consistently broken.

The ult definitely needs to be adjusted.

Derra

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with instant, but idk. It is a strange ult. Maybe slightly recduce cost to like 175 or something

I´d massively decrease the cost of atleast 1 morph and also reduce the ground aoe duration in return.

SodanTok

Step 1: Fix the glitch where animation isnt showing, impact isnt showing, knockback happens hours later and rubberbands you 10km away

Step 2: Remove DoT, make it cost 125

Step 3: Never listen to people trying to make it new dawnbreaker. Its not DB ffs.

Ahzek

Derra wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with instant, but idk. It is a strange ult. Maybe slightly recduce cost to like 175 or something

I´d massively decrease the cost of atleast 1 morph and also reduce the ground aoe duration in return.

This sounds like a nice suggestion, however i would be careful with the "massively" part.

leepalmer95

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I’d like to see it provide more passive utility, like Flawless Dawnbreaker does with the extra weapon damage. The active portion is fine IMO, including the delay. Maybe it could do a little more damage if it did not stun.

It gives 2% max mag and 2% mag regen when slotted. It has utility. One also provides a snare and one provides ult on hit. Both also put down a high dmg ground dot.



The skill is fine just when everyone is so tanky it's fallen out of favour. It used to be insane with mag dk's or so, lock them down, cc them and keep them in the hard hitting dot.

But now everyone has such high hp and is so tanky they can just live through it.

It's still a nice Xv1 tool. A ranged ult that basically forced the person to stand there for 2 seconds holding block otherwise it hurts. Also forces them to get rid of the snare.

BNOC

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

You don't get it.

SodanTok wrote: »

Step 3: Never listen to people trying to make it new dawnbreaker. Its not DB ffs.

You're so right, it's not DB, it's useless.

wheem_ESO

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

That'd be a strong argument if Meteor were a DK class Ultimate. But it's not, and not everyone has access to the best CC in the game - if you can't CC through block, Meteor stinks.

Does anyone think Dawnbreaker would remain the single most common PvP ultimate (in BGs, anyway) if it had such a long delay with a really obvious telegraph? That's a pretty bad restriction for a blockable "burst ultimate."

leepalmer95

wheem_ESO wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

That'd be a strong argument if Meteor were a DK class Ultimate. But it's not, and not everyone has access to the best CC in the game - if you can't CC through block, Meteor stinks.

Does anyone think Dawnbreaker would remain the single most common PvP ultimate (in BGs, anyway) if it had such a long delay with a really obvious telegraph? That's a pretty bad restriction for a blockable "burst ultimate."

Ones melee, ones ranged.

Meteor is basically an auto aimed hard hitting 41m ranged ult.

Imagine if it was instant.

Hashtag_

Meteor is fun in laggy situations where people get hit with it and they bounce up and back to where they were when it hits.

wheem_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

That'd be a strong argument if Meteor were a DK class Ultimate. But it's not, and not everyone has access to the best CC in the game - if you can't CC through block, Meteor stinks.

Does anyone think Dawnbreaker would remain the single most common PvP ultimate (in BGs, anyway) if it had such a long delay with a really obvious telegraph? That's a pretty bad restriction for a blockable "burst ultimate."

Ones melee, ones ranged.

Meteor is basically an auto aimed hard hitting 41m ranged ult.

Imagine if it was instant.

Range is overrated outside of zerging. You never see Stam builds using Meteor, but do see some ranged Magicka builds using Dawnbreaker, which should indicate an imbalance between the two ultimates.

As I said in my first post in the thread, ZOS shouldn't simply make Meteor land instantly and call it a day - Mag Sorcs would be 1-shotting people almost every time they had enough ultimate available. Still, I think something should be done about Meteor. It's not the most pressing issue in PvP by any means, but it should still be made a bit more worthwhile for smaller scale fights, rather than just something you toss into the midst of a massive, laggy clump of zerglings.

Xvorg

I loved meteor when i had Agony... I've never used it again after agony became MO

leepalmer95

wheem_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Meteor ( or rather shooting star is fine) you’re supposed to cc someone into it. Duh. E.g. Fossilize.

Or you’re doing it wrong...

That'd be a strong argument if Meteor were a DK class Ultimate. But it's not, and not everyone has access to the best CC in the game - if you can't CC through block, Meteor stinks.

Does anyone think Dawnbreaker would remain the single most common PvP ultimate (in BGs, anyway) if it had such a long delay with a really obvious telegraph? That's a pretty bad restriction for a blockable "burst ultimate."

Ones melee, ones ranged.

Meteor is basically an auto aimed hard hitting 41m ranged ult.

Imagine if it was instant.

Range is overrated outside of zerging. You never see Stam builds using Meteor, but do see some ranged Magicka builds using Dawnbreaker, which should indicate an imbalance between the two ultimates.

As I said in my first post in the thread, ZOS shouldn't simply make Meteor land instantly and call it a day - Mag Sorcs would be 1-shotting people almost every time they had enough ultimate available. Still, I think something should be done about Meteor. It's not the most pressing issue in PvP by any means, but it should still be made a bit more worthwhile for smaller scale fights, rather than just something you toss into the midst of a massive, laggy clump of zerglings.

No its not. Even in small scale/ solo ranged is an amazing advantage. You can line of sight, make some space and start attacking or even wipe someone as the zerg is following you. You can't do that as melee.

Gives you the ability to go on the offensive while a lot of the enemy group is outside of their range. Notice it on mag sorc all the time.

Zer0_CooL

A target bound dot would be more effective than the delay remove

Neloth

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

The whole point of meteor is the delay which allows to combine it with other skills for burst damage. We need different ultimates in this game.

Yeah, but that's only possible on two classes with unblock able cc

and both these classes have better class-based ults