Annequina Decons Broken?

AyeshaBelladonna

I'm big into housing. New Style mats are SUPER important. Summerset was less than optimal till they dailies became guaranteed drops. Understandable, but frustrating. Murkmire was dailies for gear to decon for the style mat and treasure chest farming (and questing). Again, slow process but doable. Elsweyr, however, seems broken. Getting gear for Annequina style isn't all that hard thankfully.....but the drop rate on Shimmering Sand is abysmal. Is this working as intended ZOS? Is this broken? I find it amazing i can use up mimic stones and decon gear and get about a 50% drop return on the sand, but go through literally hundreds of drop pieces in that style and get 2. Yes, this is not an exaggeration. I have gotten TWO from dropped gear deconstruction. Many of my housing guild mates are reporting similarly bad numbers. There is no other way to get the Shimmering sand. I'm getting more Perfect Roe from fishing than i am Shimmering Sand from Annequina gear. Dragon thread from Pelletine is dropping at about 50% give or take. So why is the drop rate so bad for the sands? @ZOS_GinaBruno can you please have someone look into this? we tried submitting bug reports. We did NOT have this poor a drop rate on PTS.
It's been well over a week now since my last sand drop from decon and this is getting beyond frustrating. ty

hellhound223

You should also be able to find Shimmering Sand in Elsweyr daily merit coffers. That's where I've gotten all of mine

AyeshaBelladonna

hellhound223 wrote: »

You should also be able to find Shimmering Sand in Elsweyr daily merit coffers. That's where I've gotten all of mine

I'll have to give that a try while they sort out the gear. i've been clearing zone achievements for Elsweyr and haven't gotten into the dailies yet. I usually save those for last so i have something to still do in the new areas while i farm furniture and prints lol.

DragonRacer

Yeah, I've pretty much only gotten it from the zone dailies.

Recremen

While I'm getting Shimmering Sand, it's not nearly as much as I'd like. For me, though, it's the same for all style mats, the drop rate seems really low even with a fully maxed crafter and all passives. I say they should just make the style mat a 100% drop at this point. If you farmed the gear, then why do you have to suffer a second step of RNG to see if you actually even get anything out of it? It's totally bogus.

Carbonised

As someone who buys an obscene amount of style mats for selling furniture, I can tell you that

1) The ratio of getting shimmering sand isn't any different than any other decon mat. No it doesn't have a lower dropchance, it's called random, your personal variance in the random pattern unfortunately does not matter or change that.

2) Shimmering sand is a lot more readily available than for instance Culanda, since Sand is gotten as reward from the dailies as Culanda, but also as decon mat from sets that drop in the zone, as well as sets from daily rewards. There's a lot of Sand around, which is why the price is significantly lower than Culanda was at its height, about half thew price actually

At the moment I believe the balance is quite right regarding these style mats and crafting. The price for Culanda and Sand is about 1.5k each, and 750 gold for Hackwing, which means a price of 3k (plus furniture mats) to craft a purple item, and 1.5 to craft a green or blue. This seems like a fair middle ground, since we don't want purple furniture to be sold for like 1-2k like some of the base game stuff and Vvardenfell stuff. There's also plenty of Culanda, Hackwing and Sand around, so it's not like we're going to have a shortage and price increase. If you lack the mats for crafting, it's readily available for a decent price.
For once, I actually think ZOS struck the golden middle ground between availability and scarcity and value for these furniture mats. And this comes from someone who sells furniture for 1M a week.

SirAndy

Carbonised wrote: »

... it's called random, your personal variance in the random pattern unfortunately does not matter or change that ...

You are confusing weighted random with pure random.

ZOS uses weighted RNG, so no, it's not just "random" or a "personal variance" ...

Darth_Trumpious

I am getting tons of sands from decon the gears - my personal experience is fine

Saucy_Jack

I just want to know how Carbonised makes any profit at all selling furniture. If I put up pieces for even 1 or 2k over the craft cost, they just sit there, and if I try selling in zone I get told that I'm ripping people off.

Mr_Walker

SirAndy wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

... it's called random, your personal variance in the random pattern unfortunately does not matter or change that ...

You are confusing weighted random with pure random.

ZOS uses weighted RNG, so no, it's not just "random" or a "personal variance" ...

Well gee I thought I was just unlucky with my transmutes from RotW boxes.

"May contain between 4 and 25 stones"

Opens crystal, contains 4.

AyeshaBelladonna

As someone who buys an obscene amount of style mats for selling furniture, I can tell you that

1) The ratio of getting shimmering sand isn't any different than any other decon mat. No it doesn't have a lower dropchance, it's called random, your personal variance in the random pattern unfortunately does not matter or change that.

***** Actually, your RNG changes slightly every time you wind up in a different instance. Any time you relog characters. Basically any time you do anything that could reset you in any way.******

2) Shimmering sand is a lot more readily available than for instance Culanda, since Sand is gotten as reward from the dailies as Culanda, but also as decon mat from sets that drop in the zone, as well as sets from daily rewards. There's a lot of Sand around, which is why the price is significantly lower than Culanda was at its height, about half thew price actually

****** as i mentioned, Culanda was better once it was a guaranteed drop. However, if you deconned the gear the drop rate was consistently high. It was also 2-2.5k for nearly a year. not because style mat access changed but because the "new" wore off. Also.... it's still pretty consistently listed for 2k give or take a couple hundred all across TTC so dunno what server you're quoting but it isn't PC/NA. id kill for 1.3-1.5 pricing thanks. which, btw, shimmering sand is 2.5k-3k per consistently rn.******

At the moment I believe the balance is quite right regarding these style mats and crafting. The price for Culanda and Sand is about 1.5k each, and 750 gold for Hackwing, which means a price of 3k (plus furniture mats) to craft a purple item, and 1.5 to craft a green or blue. This seems like a fair middle ground, since we don't want purple furniture to be sold for like 1-2k like some of the base game stuff and Vvardenfell stuff. There's also plenty of Culanda, Hackwing and Sand around, so it's not like we're going to have a shortage and price increase. If you lack the mats for crafting, it's readily available for a decent price.
For once, I actually think ZOS struck the golden middle ground between availability and scarcity and value for these furniture mats. And this comes from someone who sells furniture for 1M a week.

*****Also, Hackwing is pretty solid around 1.2k. i've NEVER been so lucky to have seen it at 750 per. Vvardenfell, since you mention it, had no need to cause scarcity in the materials because of how crappy the print farming is. Why do you think we have vvardenfell satchels at the writ voucher vendor lol. IT doesn't even compare in this discussion. Hackwing CONSISTENTLY drops from deconning items. thats why it's lower. which is fair considering the rate of print drops. Also, money isn't made on items. it's made on raw mats and prints themselves. NONE of our items make enough mark up to be a worthwhile trade unless they are rare items. expecting otherwise is silly. Also, for the record, no one cares about making "1 mil per week selling furniture" when we all have enough housing experience to know you're you're either spending a costly amount of hours to make that measly 15% profit over cost for that 1mil mark OR spending an excessive amount of time funding your housing mats with other things to pad sales. No one is buying "1 mil a week" as your net profit on JUST housing furnishings themselves, sorry mate. ********

**** When an entire guild of 400+ people are all complaining about the same exact issue- not getting drops from decon (again, not saying the item is scarce period, talking SPECIFICALLY about drops from decon) that can't be in our heads or simply "bad rng" across the board- it doesn't work that way. Plus, many of us run addons that track our drop percentages [for instance perfect roe is up since last patch to 1.26% from the 0.68 it had sunk on many of us since Update 21] and we can actually see that the number IS down compared to what it was. And i supposed i should have specified- it isn't since Elsweyr launched (though it was never great) we are talking about specifically since the patch that broke things to cause the guild history to be messed with by ZOS that there seems to be something wrong. No one wants things to be dirt cheap, but we SHOULD be able to farm them reliably and decon is a way we should be able to rely on. we spend hours running laps with other resources to supply our mats for furniture, we get in groups to share dailies, we run dragons over and over and deal with 30min delve cool downs in an effort to get our prints and mats.... we are ALREADY hard at work on something thats supposed to be a game and enjoyable.... asking to see more that two in a few hundred drop isn't asking for the world. It's asking for there to be a measure of reliable success to keep up motivated to do the grind. thats all.****

Taleof2Cities

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I just want to know how Carbonised makes any profit at all selling furniture. If I put up pieces for even 1 or 2k over the craft cost, they just sit there, and if I try selling in zone I get told that I'm ripping people off.

Remember, @Carbonised plays on PC EU.

The Euros have had several centuries’ head start on refining furniture tastes ... versus us lowly Westerners on NA ...

Carbonised

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

As someone who buys an obscene amount of style mats for selling furniture, I can tell you that

1) The ratio of getting shimmering sand isn't any different than any other decon mat. No it doesn't have a lower dropchance, it's called random, your personal variance in the random pattern unfortunately does not matter or change that.

***** Actually, your RNG changes slightly every time you wind up in a different instance. Any time you relog characters. Basically any time you do anything that could reset you in any way.******

2) Shimmering sand is a lot more readily available than for instance Culanda, since Sand is gotten as reward from the dailies as Culanda, but also as decon mat from sets that drop in the zone, as well as sets from daily rewards. There's a lot of Sand around, which is why the price is significantly lower than Culanda was at its height, about half thew price actually

****** as i mentioned, Culanda was better once it was a guaranteed drop. However, if you deconned the gear the drop rate was consistently high. It was also 2-2.5k for nearly a year. not because style mat access changed but because the "new" wore off. Also.... it's still pretty consistently listed for 2k give or take a couple hundred all across TTC so dunno what server you're quoting but it isn't PC/NA. id kill for 1.3-1.5 pricing thanks. which, btw, shimmering sand is 2.5k-3k per consistently rn.******

At the moment I believe the balance is quite right regarding these style mats and crafting. The price for Culanda and Sand is about 1.5k each, and 750 gold for Hackwing, which means a price of 3k (plus furniture mats) to craft a purple item, and 1.5 to craft a green or blue. This seems like a fair middle ground, since we don't want purple furniture to be sold for like 1-2k like some of the base game stuff and Vvardenfell stuff. There's also plenty of Culanda, Hackwing and Sand around, so it's not like we're going to have a shortage and price increase. If you lack the mats for crafting, it's readily available for a decent price.
For once, I actually think ZOS struck the golden middle ground between availability and scarcity and value for these furniture mats. And this comes from someone who sells furniture for 1M a week.

*****Also, Hackwing is pretty solid around 1.2k. i've NEVER been so lucky to have seen it at 750 per. Vvardenfell, since you mention it, had no need to cause scarcity in the materials because of how crappy the print farming is. Why do you think we have vvardenfell satchels at the writ voucher vendor lol. IT doesn't even compare in this discussion. Hackwing CONSISTENTLY drops from deconning items. thats why it's lower. which is fair considering the rate of print drops. Also, money isn't made on items. it's made on raw mats and prints themselves. NONE of our items make enough mark up to be a worthwhile trade unless they are rare items. expecting otherwise is silly. Also, for the record, no one cares about making "1 mil per week selling furniture" when we all have enough housing experience to know you're you're either spending a costly amount of hours to make that measly 15% profit over cost for that 1mil mark OR spending an excessive amount of time funding your housing mats with other things to pad sales. No one is buying "1 mil a week" as your net profit on JUST housing furnishings themselves, sorry mate. ********

**** When an entire guild of 400+ people are all complaining about the same exact issue- not getting drops from decon (again, not saying the item is scarce period, talking SPECIFICALLY about drops from decon) that can't be in our heads or simply "bad rng" across the board- it doesn't work that way. Plus, many of us run addons that track our drop percentages [for instance perfect roe is up since last patch to 1.26% from the 0.68 it had sunk on many of us since Update 21] and we can actually see that the number IS down compared to what it was. And i supposed i should have specified- it isn't since Elsweyr launched (though it was never great) we are talking about specifically since the patch that broke things to cause the guild history to be messed with by ZOS that there seems to be something wrong. No one wants things to be dirt cheap, but we SHOULD be able to farm them reliably and decon is a way we should be able to rely on. we spend hours running laps with other resources to supply our mats for furniture, we get in groups to share dailies, we run dragons over and over and deal with 30min delve cool downs in an effort to get our prints and mats.... we are ALREADY hard at work on something thats supposed to be a game and enjoyable.... asking to see more that two in a few hundred drop isn't asking for the world. It's asking for there to be a measure of reliable success to keep up motivated to do the grind. thats all.****

Ok let's adress this wall of text here.

I'm trying to find a way to put this politely, but I'm sorry to say that your post shows both a lot of ignorance, and a lot of lying.
First of all, no, you did not "consistently" get Culandas from deconing gear, due to the simple fact that there is no gear set in the Sapiarch style to decon in the first place. So that's a lie.
Second, you're right, I'm not on PC-NA, I'm on PC-EU, as it says right in my signature, had you bothered to read it. And I can assure you my prices for Culandas, Sand and Hackwing match the reality of PC-EU, I should know, since I have bought several thousands of those mats.

Hackwing doesn't consistently drop from deconing, even with CAPS as you write it, it drops at the same rate as any other style mat, which is about 50-60 % of the times or so. Your anecdotal "evidence" to the contrary is nothing but anecdotes. And considering how your post is full of untruths, I find it hard to believe anything you state without evidence, really.

If you don't think it's possible to earn gold from selling furniture, it's fine, I don't need to convince you, but it's very ignorant. And just for the record, my mentioning the 1M figure wasn't to brag, it was to show that in order to sell that many furniture pieces, I of course have to buy a lot of style mats to make them, which makes me someone who actually has a pretty good idea as to the availability and price range of these style mats, since they're at the center of my business, again unlike you, someone who just comes on the forum with complaints that don't match up with the facts.

"Asking to see more that two in a few hundred drop isn't asking for the world." See, here's another of those blatant lies. It's not just exaggeration, it's straight up lying. I have decon'ed enough of Anequina style items to know that the decon rate of the mat is the usual ~50-60 % of other style mats, so "two in a few hundred" is obviously as far from the truth as it possibly could be. And obviously if the decon rate was as bad as you claimed, the mat wouldn't be all over the traders and sitting at a comfortable 1.5k per item, with no tendency to rise in price any time soon.

As for @Saucy_Jack 's question, sorry, I can't give that away, trade secrets and all that. Well, as I've said before here on these forums, it's not really that hard to do. Look at my signature, I make a lot of houses, I have a pretty good idea about what items people want for their homes, and I do have every furniture plan in the game, except those 3 pesky Ayleid ones. So, it takes skill and knowledge, and it takes a lot of reading the market the right way, to know what items sell at what price. If you're putting 5 pieces of blue and purple Nord items up on a trader located in the middle of nowhere, of course it's not going to sell.

In any case, OP is blatantly wrong regarding the availability of shimmering sand, and straight up lying, trying to build up under an argument that doesn't exist. Sand is obviously more available than Culanda ever was, and no one with a brain would think that sand is either very rare, or exceptionally pricy. I've built my argument with facts and numbers, OP has built theirs with capslock and anecdotes.

Saucy_Jack

Hey, another collector! Just need to finish off the Elsweyr purples and I'll be back to knowing them all again myself.

redlink1979

No problem here with the drop ratio. And coffers from daily quests have a guaranteed drop.

markulrich1966

I got more than 20 shimmering sand/day before the dragon daily, and now more than 10 more.

I use 8 toons. Each does daily delve + wb. Each daily rewards a shimmering sand and gear. So I have 16 from the dailies, plus those from deconstruction. Since yesterday, we have the dragon daily, too, adding another 8 + gear.

The gear drops dragonthread and shimmering sand deconstructing it with my best crafter (full crafting skills in each skill-line).
maybe every 4th piece I deconstruct adds the sand, sometimes more often, sometimes more seldom.

So I got more than 100 sand in just 4-5 days, now it gets even more with the dragon dailies. (xbox eu).

whitecrow

It's not just Anequina; I feel like a while back (before Elsweyr) my drop rates for style materials went way down, almost to the point where I wondered where it was even worth deconstructing rarer styles rather than just selling the items. Hackwing plumage was quite scarce too (and why can't we get it from actual hackwings?? Ah well that's another issue...)

Carbonised

whitecrow wrote: »

It's not just Anequina; I feel like a while back (before Elsweyr) my drop rates for style materials went way down, almost to the point where I wondered where it was even worth deconstructing rarer styles rather than just selling the items. Hackwing plumage was quite scarce too (and why can't we get it from actual hackwings?? Ah well that's another issue...)

The logical fallacy is starting any kind of argument with the phrase "I feel ..."

It's the same thing over and over again, people come to the forums with their "feels" about not getting style mats, about not getting writ vouchers, about not getting gold mats or whatever it is, despite evidence to the contrary, and despite loads of other people commenting that their "feels" don't match up, just like several people have already stated in this thread that their experience is not similar to OP's.

It's not my intention to be overly callous, but one person's "feels" about their random chance of rewards isn't really all that important in a game with several million people on a single megaserver.
The overall availability and scacity and value of materials and such is really the only thing the devs should be concerned about, and in the case of style mats, it's clearly the case that it's working just fine.

markulrich1966

Before Elsweyr, I made dailies in Summerset to farm Culanda Laquer.

The drop rate of Anequina is comparable to Sapiarch motifs.

8 toons, 16 dailies = 1, rarely 2 motifs a day.

This also means, that it is much better than that of Psijic Motifs, that I got maybe 2-3 times a week. I am curious how the new style Pelletine will turn out, I guess it might be more like the psijic style.
Just had one day yesterday to try as the dragon quests are new on xbox, got 1 motif doing the 8 dragon dailies.

virtus753

As mentioned previously, we can make gear in the Sapiarch style with mimic stones and decon that for mats. I’ve done it myself, and I know it’s been done with other styles as well for furnishing mats. Thus the argument that one must be lying about the recovery rate of Culanda Lacquer from Sapiarch gear because no gear *drops* in that style doesn’t hold water.

Carbonised

virtus753 wrote: »

As mentioned previously, we can make gear in the Sapiarch style with mimic stones and decon that for mats. I’ve done it myself, and I know it’s been done with other styles as well for furnishing mats. Thus the argument that one must be lying about the recovery rate of Culanda Lacquer from Sapiarch gear because no gear *drops* in that style doesn’t hold water.

That would be an extremely terrible way to spend your mimic stones, when a Culanda sits at under 1.5k a piece, but you could instead try and decon crafted items into Harlequin, Stalhrim or Tsaesci style, which sell for 4-5k each. Why on earth would you then decon into a mat thats worth less than half that.

And in addition, I sincerely doubt OP has spent several hundreds of mimic stones making Sapiarch gear just to decon for Culandas, which would be the amount required to even get a somewhat reliable statistic sample to conclude anything remotely relevant about the droprate.

In any case, everyone that have chimed in have pretty much confirmed that their "feels" is that the droprate from decon'ing Anequina is no more or less that of any other style, so it's pretty much time to type /thread.

AyeshaBelladonna

Carbonised wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

As mentioned previously, we can make gear in the Sapiarch style with mimic stones and decon that for mats. I’ve done it myself, and I know it’s been done with other styles as well for furnishing mats. Thus the argument that one must be lying about the recovery rate of Culanda Lacquer from Sapiarch gear because no gear *drops* in that style doesn’t hold water.

That would be an extremely terrible way to spend your mimic stones, when a Culanda sits at under 1.5k a piece, but you could instead try and decon crafted items into Harlequin, Stalhrim or Tsaesci style, which sell for 4-5k each. Why on earth would you then decon into a mat thats worth less than half that.

And in addition, I sincerely doubt OP has spent several hundreds of mimic stones making Sapiarch gear just to decon for Culandas, which would be the amount required to even get a somewhat reliable statistic sample to conclude anything remotely relevant about the droprate.

In any case, everyone that have chimed in have pretty much confirmed that their "feels" is that the droprate from decon'ing Anequina is no more or less that of any other style, so it's pretty much time to type /thread.

For someone who lectured ME about looking at their platform listing , when THEY in fact are the ones to hop on an NA person's thread and started throwing prices around you seem to be sitting on an awfully high horse there. Your prices are not our prices, obviously, and as i stated i was concerned based on the housing __i do- i didn't say i gave a single hoot about selling ANYTHING for a profit but hey thanks for making assumptions. Please, keep condescending when you apparently are the GOD of housing and know EVERYTHING about drop rates, and sales, etc etc etc.... Please, continue...... you're adding sooooo much wisdom here.

AyeshaBelladonna

@Carbonised If you joined this thread just to talk down to every single person who has a different experience or opinion to add, go troll elsewhere because we stopped caring about your input at this point.

AyeshaBelladonna

markulrich1966 wrote: »

Before Elsweyr, I made dailies in Summerset to farm Culanda Laquer.

The drop rate of Anequina is comparable to Sapiarch motifs.

8 toons, 16 dailies = 1, rarely 2 motifs a day.

This also means, that it is much better than that of Psijic Motifs, that I got maybe 2-3 times a week. I am curious how the new style Pelletine will turn out, I guess it might be more like the psijic style.
Just had one day yesterday to try as the dragon quests are new on xbox, got 1 motif doing the 8 dragon dailies.

I bought Annequina right away, but Pelletine seems to be dropping alright. i farmed portals for Psijiic myself. sapiarch drops fishing seemed alright though on pc/na.

AyeshaBelladonna

whitecrow wrote: »

It's not just Anequina; I feel like a while back (before Elsweyr) my drop rates for style materials went way down, almost to the point where I wondered where it was even worth deconstructing rarer styles rather than just selling the items. Hackwing plumage was quite scarce too (and why can't we get it from actual hackwings?? Ah well that's another issue...)

I have long thought that actually! lol an occasional drop from actual Hackwings would make total sense! I had an odd fluctuation in drop rates too when Murkmire came out.... but nothing i could really put my finger on. most of my drop rates feel like they have come back up though in general.

AyeshaBelladonna

markulrich1966 wrote: »

I got more than 20 shimmering sand/day before the dragon daily, and now more than 10 more.

I use 8 toons. Each does daily delve + wb. Each daily rewards a shimmering sand and gear. So I have 16 from the dailies, plus those from deconstruction. Since yesterday, we have the dragon daily, too, adding another 8 + gear.

The gear drops dragonthread and shimmering sand deconstructing it with my best crafter (full crafting skills in each skill-line).
maybe every 4th piece I deconstruct adds the sand, sometimes more often, sometimes more seldom.

So I got more than 100 sand in just 4-5 days, now it gets even more with the dragon dailies. (xbox eu).

See i think thats what i was missing out on. as i mentioned above, i do the rest of the zone content 1st. so all i see is my decon rates. i havn't started doing the dailies yet. if they drop well from that i guess it makes more sense why the drop rate from decon would be so much less frequent. I'll start those out.

markulrich1966

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

See i think thats what i was missing out on. as i mentioned above, i do the rest of the zone content 1st. so all i see is my decon rates. i havn't started doing the dailies yet. if they drop well from that i guess it makes more sense why the drop rate from decon would be so much less frequent. I'll start those out.

I see, yes the dailies are best because you get 1 sand guaranteed as reward, and the gear offers at least the chance to get more deconstructing it.

Doing 24 dailies with 8 toons can take several hours, so some hints:

do the bosses at prime-time (EU: 6pm to 10pm german time), so there are enough players around to defeat the bosses easily and quick.
Afterwards delves or/and dragons, as you prefer.
When you finished the tasks in a delve, also kill the delve boss, as he drops gear for deconstruction.

The dragon quests sometimes drop the new pelletine motiv, that can be sold for higher prices than the annequina motiv from the other dailies (aneq=20-30k, pell=60k). So you might favour them to delves if your time is limited.

To deconstruct gear, collect 20-30 pieces, then deconstruct them. Like this I get more sand than trying to decon just 3-4, where I often get no sand.

If you invest some hours every day in dailies for a week, you should have a nice stock of 100 sand, I meanwhile have more than 40 slots in guildstores filled with elsweyr furniture for sale, sold 20, used 20 in own houses, and now still have more than 90 sand in my craftbag.

AyeshaBelladonna

markulrich1966 wrote: »

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

See i think thats what i was missing out on. as i mentioned above, i do the rest of the zone content 1st. so all i see is my decon rates. i havn't started doing the dailies yet. if they drop well from that i guess it makes more sense why the drop rate from decon would be so much less frequent. I'll start those out.

I see, yes the dailies are best because you get 1 sand guaranteed as reward, and the gear offers at least the chance to get more deconstructing it.

Doing 24 dailies with 8 toons can take several hours, so some hints:

do the bosses at prime-time (EU: 6pm to 10pm german time), so there are enough players around to defeat the bosses easily and quick.
Afterwards delves or/and dragons, as you prefer.
When you finished the tasks in a delve, also kill the delve boss, as he drops gear for deconstruction.

The dragon quests sometimes drop the new pelletine motiv, that can be sold for higher prices than the annequina motiv from the other dailies (aneq=20-30k, pell=60k). So you might favour them to delves if your time is limited.

To deconstruct gear, collect 20-30 pieces, then deconstruct them. Like this I get more sand than trying to decon just 3-4, where I often get no sand.

If you invest some hours every day in dailies for a week, you should have a nice stock of 100 sand, I meanwhile have more than 40 slots in guildstores filled with elsweyr furniture for sale, sold 20, used 20 in own houses, and now still have more than 90 sand in my craftbag.

I've been doing 50+ at a time. i have 100 slots on my farming toon, i fill then go decon all at one time. Maybe I'll try getting 30+ of one type though and that might help. Not too worried about enough people around for dailies. im NA so we have folks running them basically 24hrs a day lol. Again, not worried about making money. i have other ways to do that this is to have enough sand for my own needs lol. Which is why i watch my drop rates so closely. if it was for sales there are other things i could be farming to better advantage in the same amount of time. I just don't like all my gold farming to be spent on materials i should be able to get on my own. Also, these days, i can't help but wonder if the NA/EU drop rates are showing different numbers. EU has a much higher concentration of PC players than NA does in addition to NA folk generally having wider spread prime time..... As I see it, if you have more players, and the drop rate is weighted rng, and you have more folks harvesting in a concentrated period of time, stands to reason you'd have a higher influx of the mats hitting the market consistently so lower materials costs. ZOS also refuses to confirm or deny any info that leaks about the weighting process to rng, outside of admitting it is weighted lol. a good example is those mimic stones. I can make several pieces of something as lvl 1 gear with no traits and i can pick up several pieces in that same style. i hit 50%-80% return rate on style mats from the mimic stones no matter what style im doing. However, i can then do the dropped items and get avgs ranging from10%-30% return on the style mats (a couple styles are a solid 50% return on drop pieces but not too many and that def depends on the day) so RNG there is obviously weighted towards insuring we don't just waste style mats we have crafted. at least not with mimic stones. I haven't directly tested if this is true for all crafted gear, but i seem to recall having several oops on making Hollowjack for low level player gear and nearly every decon of the mistake got my Amber Marble back. Thank you for the tip though about the dailies dropping sand. I'm nearly complete otherwise out there so I'll have to add those into my daily rotation.

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People forget about the "weighted" rng factor sometimes, that's what I think.