Class with the most Magicka DoTs?

leokafilyeb17_ESO

As the title says, what do people consider as the class with the most DoTs in their viable builds/rotation, we're talking Magicka here for all intents and purposes. Nightblade perhaps?

susmitds

Magicka Nightblade.

Tyrion87

Magicka templar.

Vast majority of active magplar skills you use in a rotation is DoT, especially if you play melee.

Puncturing sweep (spammable), radiant destruction (execute), sun fire, spear shards, solar barrage - you use all (or most) of it on a typical magplar build and all of it is DoT.

TheNightflame

mag dk?

Unified_Gaming

Mag dk 100%

idk

DK has the most DoTs usable for single target fights which is what is most important. It has always had the most DoTs .

WrathOfInnos

Kinda depends how you define a DoT. Would you call Boundless Storm or Solar Barrage a DoT? What about pets, they are effectively moving DoTs. Then there are delayed damage attacks, and it might make sense to consider Curse and Purifying Light DoTs, but I don’t really feel like Deep Fissure falls into this category.

SammyFable

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

Xvorg

DanBeatYou_xD wrote: »

Mag dk 100%

no

Xvorg

idk wrote: »

DK has the most DoTs usable for single target fights which is what is most important. It has always had the most DoTs .

Just no.

DK has in total 4 dot skills and 2 ultis. Only one of them is single target

Templar has 5 dot skills and 2 ultis

NB has 3 skills and 2 ultis. It used to have 4 skills and 2 ultis just like DK, but 2 of them were 28 mts dots. All DK dots are melee range.

Of all the classes, DK is the one labeled as DoT class, but it's dots are not strong enough, neither have the advantage of range/execute/empower on ticks.

The only thing DKs have in just 2 dots (and one ulti) is the snare, but the rest of the DoTs are meh.

Xvorg

SammyFable wrote: »

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

1- Curse is not a DoT. Overload Full heavy is a DoT
2- You forgot Soul Tether, Lotus and VoB (Shade could be considered a DoT too)
3- You forgot Radial Sweep and Shards
4- You Forgot Magma Armor
5- Permafrost is the best AoE DoT ulti in the game
6- Colosus is a DoT, Skellies can be considered dots (like shades), Agony Totem synergy is a DoT

Dojohoda

Probably not magblade. We have 2 class dots that are typically used in rotation, Cripple and Twisting Path.
----A 3rd dot is Shade which is not normally in a rotation, but now might be because recently buffed and useful if using necropotence gear.
---Lastly, a potential 4th is Lotus Fan which is buffed with minor vuneralbilty, but I have no idea if it is good in rotation.


For more dots, magblade uses outside skills such as

Blockade from destroy line

Mage guild entropy, maybe

Staves- Dot from lightening heavy attack, assuming it will go off. (Double fire staves are more commonly used.) Resto heavy, staff almost never used for rotation, is a dot.

Double dot poison is a dot, but unsure if that is good in rotation because fire and shock glyph are probably better. However if using lotus fan, drop shock glyph.

I think that covers magblade usage of dots in a rotation.

BNOC

Xvorg wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

1- Curse is not a DoT. Overload Full heavy is a DoT
2- You forgot Soul Tether, Lotus and VoB (Shade could be considered a DoT too)
3- You forgot Radial Sweep and Shards
4- You Forgot Magma Armor
5- Permafrost is the best AoE DoT ulti in the game
6- Colosus is a DoT, Skellies can be considered dots (like shades), Agony Totem synergy is a DoT

Do we count things like Radial and Solar Barrage that are tied to the caster rather than applied to the target, dots?
You can cast solar barrage a million times but if you're out of range it's 0 damage so I don't think those two should be in there, they're like pulse damage, if that's even a thing.

UndeniablyAVG

SammyFable wrote: »

Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)

Flames of Oblivion is considered direct damage and wont be affected by Thaumaturge CP.

Xvorg

BNOC wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

1- Curse is not a DoT. Overload Full heavy is a DoT
2- You forgot Soul Tether, Lotus and VoB (Shade could be considered a DoT too)
3- You forgot Radial Sweep and Shards
4- You Forgot Magma Armor
5- Permafrost is the best AoE DoT ulti in the game
6- Colosus is a DoT, Skellies can be considered dots (like shades), Agony Totem synergy is a DoT

Do we count things like Radial and Solar Barrage that are tied to the caster rather than applied to the target, dots?
You can cast solar barrage a million times but if you're out of range it's 0 damage so I don't think those two should be in there, they're like pulse damage, if that's even a thing.

yup

In the same way that you can dodge roll cripple or Embers

SammyFable

Xvorg wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

1- Curse is not a DoT. Overload Full heavy is a DoT
2- You forgot Soul Tether, Lotus and VoB (Shade could be considered a DoT too)
3- You forgot Radial Sweep and Shards
4- You Forgot Magma Armor
5- Permafrost is the best AoE DoT ulti in the game
6- Colosus is a DoT, Skellies can be considered dots (like shades), Agony Totem synergy is a DoT

Firstly, I forgot to mention that I most likely didn't cover all typically used ones.
1. Yeah, you're right about curse, it's a delayed direct damage hit, but in a rotation used like a dot. Overload is rarely, if even, used anymore, so not really related to the OP.
2. These are again rarely ever used in a typical DPS rotation.
3. Yep, forgot about them.
4. See #2
5. See #4
6. Colosus is also rarely used, aside from a bash "fun" build, usually necromancers would help their group more with the Major Vulnerability Atronarch. The Skelletons are Pets though, and not dots same as Sorc's Matriarch. Though in contrast to the matriarch, the necro's pets are used like dots in a rotation, so I can see someone arguing that way.

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)

Flames of Oblivion is considered direct damage and wont be affected by Thaumaturge CP.

Ah yeah, so is Curse. Though they ARE used like dots in a rotation, being cast on cooldown.

Victor_Blade

Mablade I think. crippling grasp, lotus fan, dark shade, twisting path, veil of blades.

Xvorg

SammyFable wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Let me go over them:
Magicka Sorcerer: Curse, Volatile Familiar Pulse, Liquid Lightning (Atro Ulti)
Magicka Nightblade: Grippling Grasp, Twisting Path
Magicka Templar: Vampire's Bane, Ritual of Retribution, Solar Barrage, (Radiant Destruction + Puncturing Sweeps)
Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)
Magicka Warden: Fetcher Infection, Winter's Revenge
Magicka Necromancer: Siphon, Boneyard

I've put the 2 channeled Skills of the Templar in Brackets, because I think the game technically treats them as dots, but you don't use them as such.
So yeah, if you include both of Templar's channeled Skills they would have the most (magicka) DoTs in their builds and if you also include Ults, DKs would share the same spot.

1- Curse is not a DoT. Overload Full heavy is a DoT
2- You forgot Soul Tether, Lotus and VoB (Shade could be considered a DoT too)
3- You forgot Radial Sweep and Shards
4- You Forgot Magma Armor
5- Permafrost is the best AoE DoT ulti in the game
6- Colosus is a DoT, Skellies can be considered dots (like shades), Agony Totem synergy is a DoT

Firstly, I forgot to mention that I most likely didn't cover all typically used ones.
1. Yeah, you're right about curse, it's a delayed direct damage hit, but in a rotation used like a dot. Overload is rarely, if even, used anymore, so not really related to the OP.
2. These are again rarely ever used in a typical DPS rotation.
3. Yep, forgot about them.
4. See #2
5. See #4
6. Colosus is also rarely used, aside from a bash "fun" build, usually necromancers would help their group more with the Major Vulnerability Atronarch. The Skelletons are Pets though, and not dots same as Sorc's Matriarch. Though in contrast to the matriarch, the necro's pets are used like dots in a rotation, so I can see someone arguing that way.

UndeniablyAVG wrote: »

SammyFable wrote: »

Magicka Dragonknight: Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames, Eruption, Flames of Oblivion (Standard of Might Ulti)

Flames of Oblivion is considered direct damage and wont be affected by Thaumaturge CP.

Ah yeah, so is Curse. Though they ARE used like dots in a rotation, being cast on cooldown.

Not in rotations, no, but they proc skoria and are widely used in PvP

Seraphayel

Channeled skills like Radiant Destruction or Overload Heavy Attack are no DoTs. Those are, as mentioned, channeled skills, even if the game might treat them as DoTs (not sure about this though).

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Seraphayel wrote: »

Channeled skills like Radiant Destruction or Overload Heavy Attack are no DoTs. Those are, as mentioned, channeled skills, even if the game might treat them as DoTs (not sure about this though).

The game 100% treats them as damage over time. Those skills both get buffed by thaumaturge and proc skoria.

Xvorg

Seraphayel wrote: »

Channeled skills like Radiant Destruction or Overload Heavy Attack are no DoTs. Those are, as mentioned, channeled skills, even if the game might treat them as DoTs (not sure about this though).

What about Crystal blast, Dark Flare and Inevitable deto? Aren't they channeled too?

usmcjdking

Xvorg wrote: »

DanBeatYou_xD wrote: »

Mag dk 100%

no

Don't you like...main this class?

Embers.
Engulfing.
Burning Talons.
Eruption.
FOO.
Volatile Armor.
Magma Armor.
Standard.

Did I wake up in an alternate universe where people just stopped being able to read basic tooltips?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Xvorg wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Channeled skills like Radiant Destruction or Overload Heavy Attack are no DoTs. Those are, as mentioned, channeled skills, even if the game might treat them as DoTs (not sure about this though).

What about Crystal blast, Dark Flare and Inevitable deto? Aren't they channeled too?

no, those are cast time, there is a difference.

Seraphayel

Xvorg wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Channeled skills like Radiant Destruction or Overload Heavy Attack are no DoTs. Those are, as mentioned, channeled skills, even if the game might treat them as DoTs (not sure about this though).

What about Crystal blast, Dark Flare and Inevitable deto? Aren't they channeled too?

I didn’t want to go over all of them but...

... Radiant Destruction / Soul Assault are channeled abilities, e.g. you activate them and they directly do something over the duration of the channel

... Crystal Blast / Dark Flare are hard cast / casted abilities, e.g. you click them, then there is an induction (cast time) until you see their effect