Trying to heal in BGs on a warden is a joke

festher

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

ESO_Nightingale

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

Warmaiden? That is not a healer's set. Use julianos or seducer's instead. They're easy to craft and powerful sets that healers can use. Your job as a healer is to stick with your team and to keep both alive. You've got a repositioning tool with Nature's Embrace, a cheap and powerful ultimate that heals a ton, an AoE major defile tool a bunch of ways to help heal. I recommend a Black Rose Prison staff with ward ally to increase your healing on yourself and the ally and to give both a health based shield. You must remember that you will die in PvP no matter what. You may have a few good games where you dont. But you will die sooner or later. But as a good healer, positioning is everything and warden is one of the best at repositioning via allies.

Iskiab

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

You’re setup for pve and not pvp.

Roles are a little different in pvp, dps should add some group support or off healing, healers will be focused so you need be as tanky as possible, and for tanks not dying doesn’t directly contribute anything, their role is to disrupt the back line.

For sets:
Necro is good
Shacklebreaker’s not bad
Warmaiden’s okay too

The problem is your mitigation is too low because you’ve devoted no sets to your defense.

Try Necropence, shacklebreaker and pirate skeleton or blood spawn. When combining the sets craft heavy chest and medium legs or helm. 5x light for the rest.

If you’re planning to try fortified brass it’s a good set, craft 5x light with a similar setup to above. Remember to transmute your jewellery to all protective, all magicka recovery glyphs. Best to use longfin food instead of witchmother’s as well for more health, mag and stam.

With a setup like this you should do well:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=157654

Stibbons

Go hvy or go home. Only invisible or shieldstack teleporter can be light/medium.

Vermethys

Stibbons wrote: »

Go hvy or go home. Only invisible or shieldstack teleporter can be light/medium.

This. Or you can heal on a heavy Stamina Warden if you want -- I'm sure it works, and you'd be tanky as heck. I played a couple of BGs today on my Stamden whom I haven't played in weeks and was quite fascinated by its healing potential while being able to blast some people from 100 to 0 with the Subterranean Assault+Dawnbreaker+Executioner combo. Only group healing abilities I use are Resolving Vigor, Lotus Flower, and Healing Thicket.

Average Deathmatch today:

(Keep in mind that this on a build that's meant to be offensive and tanky. I imagine you can easily break 1mil healing and still be tanky if you spec for more healing)

Our group was the only one without a premade dedicated healer. Here's a link to the build I play, if you are curious: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=155351
I'm certain that you can tweak it for more healing output and less damage. Like replacing Spriggan with perhaps Hunding's Rage, or the Serpent Mundus with the Ritual. Abilities like Echoing Vigor, Soothing Spores, Leeching Vines, Nature's Grasp, could be used instead of mine for much more healing output. You could even be a Nord using Heroic Slash and Shimmering Shield to cast the Healing Thicket ultimate every 10 seconds.

ChunkyCat

My Stam Warden dishes damage as well as 300-400k healing per match.

You’re doing something wrong.

Maybe a lot of somethings.

Iskiab

Stibbons wrote: »

Go hvy or go home. Only invisible or shieldstack teleporter can be light/medium.

Hum, I disagree. Light’s passives are just as good or better then a full 5 piece set. You usually end up with similar or better stats wearing an extra defensive set and 5x light then wearing 5x heavy.

Granted I haven’t pvp’d much on my Warden, but I do on my Templar.

Morgul667

Warden is a great bg healer

I personally love it

LordTareq

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

This is a learn to play thing, and I don't mean that as an insult to you, just that you need more experience with the class in PvP. I can assure you Wardens are more than capable of being bionic gods in PvP. But you need specific gear combinations to make it work, as well as experience in PvP so you know when to use which skills/active defense, which buffs you should never let run out, when to run away, when to stand your ground , etc..
More concrete, you need a good defensive monster set and as mentioned here a good defensive armour set. Healer in PvP = gear as a tank.

rsantijw13

my stamden healer is orc olorimes bows and jewelry with powerful assault, and either bogdans or troll king. not only is this stam healer hard to kill, its can break free, sprint and debuff with sub assault and poisons.

LeHarrt91

On my Warden DPS, my Backbar is all Support/ Heals.
Firstly, If you are all heals and nothing else, you will have a big red target on you. But i have had great success with a lot of HoTs. I run Living Trellis, Lights Champion and Natures Embrace (this skill is great for getting out of a bad situation.

In regards to sets, one that i would recommend is Bright Throats Boast, lots of Magicka and Recovery, you could then pair it with something like Coldharbours Favourite, or Brass if you want. or typical healer sets like SPC, Olo or Sanctuary.
Monster sets would be Earthgore (tho it was nerfed), Sentinel set, Troll King (which is good as battle spirit doesnt halve this healing, but it ticks every 2s)

maybe even use Resto and SnB

Iskiab

I’ve been playing around with a ton of sets, everything has upside and downside but here’s what I found:

Top tier stuff:
Transmutation
Bright throat
Pirate skeleton (though not on a warden
Bloodspawn
Necropence (for Wardens)

Other good sets:
Sanctuary
Mother’s sorrow (better on a khajit)
Buffer of the swift
Fortified brass (5x light only)
Cyrodiil’s light (templar only)
Nightflame
Troll King
Shacklebreaker (like the stam)
Warmaiden (lets you use better pots)
One that gives major protection when you cleanse (on a templar)

Most important are some benchmarks I’ve figured out in no-CP. >23k health, >2K mana regen, always all impen, resistances get as high as possible while hitting these numbers and you’ll be okay.

Personally aim for 25k+ resistances or so buffed, but % damage reductions like minor and major protection are equally or more important.

Another thing to consider is there are no good sustain monster sets really, so I usually go defensive monster set then two solid 5 piece sets.

Chelo

Actually if you really really want to be a support in BGs, one of the best (if not the best) combinations you can use right now is Gossamer + Transmutation. I can assure you, this combination in the hands of a good player with a "decent" team, you guys will be super hard to kill...

It's simply just too much mitigation, that extra critic resistance + Major Expedition, you guys will survive Dawnbreakers, Meteors, Leaps, etc, like it was nothing...

Jeremy

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

lol, I agree. But trying to heal as anything in a battleground is a joke if you ask me. Healers on this game just don't have the necessary tools to survive when being ganged up on (as they inevitably will - because everyone knows that a healer is the no. 1 target). Most other MMOs I have played understand this and give healers ways to survive against multiple attackers. But not this one. You're only option is to just die - or hope the rest of the team decides to be your personal bodyguard (good luck with that one).

Oddly enough - the only class I've ever been able to live on as a healer in this game is the Night Blade - because it's the only class on this game I've found that actually has tools to survive against multiple attackers (invisible). The sorcerer bunny hop may be effective too. I"m not sure because I've never tried that class out yet.

But if you're determined to be a healer on this game's PvP and don't happen to have your own team of body guards you may wanna give Night Blade a try. You can at least have a little fun doing that.

Jeremy

LordTareq wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

This is a learn to play thing, and I don't mean that as an insult to you, just that you need more experience with the class in PvP. I can assure you Wardens are more than capable of being bionic gods in PvP. But you need specific gear combinations to make it work, as well as experience in PvP so you know when to use which skills/active defense, which buffs you should never let run out, when to run away, when to stand your ground , etc..
More concrete, you need a good defensive monster set and as mentioned here a good defensive armour set. Healer in PvP = gear as a tank.

I've never seen a "bionic god healer" in a battleground - ever - in all my history on this game and I've done a ton of battlegrounds. So in my experience - the OP is correct. Healers generally can be considered fresh meat. A good team of four who know how to focus down a healer usually burn them pretty much instantly.

My conclusion is that unless you have an organized team to play with regularly - I would stay away from playing healers on this game's PvP. Otherwise you're in for a very miserable experience.

Iskiab

Yea, magblades make great pvp healers. I’d put them as top tier along with Wardens though.

Wardens can’t invis but it does have a lot of defensive tools. Best way to do it I found was kite melee and use the projectile absorptions to negate people trying to cc you.

In other games, yea you had abilities like detaunt or whatever, in ESO the only thing that works is tanking up.

idk

Iskiab wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

You’re setup for pve and not pvp.

And not for the role they claim they are performing either being they are wearing a set with a 5pc that does nothing for their heals or survival.

Personally I would go a little tanky if I were to heal BGs. Then again I would probably only heal a BG if I was running with people I knew. TTK is just to short in my opinion to heal solo.

Iskiab

idk wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

You’re setup for pve and not pvp.

Personally I would go a little tanky if I were to heal BGs. Then again I would probably only heal a BG if I was running with people I knew. TTK is just to short in my opinion to heal solo.

I almost always solo heal BGs as a magblade, I do well.

Interestingly lower MMR BGs can be a struggle because everyone’s split up and squishy.

Higher MMR is great though. People stick together and use self heals and defense so you’re able to heal them. You just have to stick it out through the lower tiers

I’ve found it’s usually better to have some offense too, I used to pure heal but being short one person on offense can hurt the team. I’ve found it better to heal when needed and dps when needed, nothing spectacular stats wise on offense, 0-10 kills and 250k-1 million damage is my range.

All I really do is cc to peel or if the time’s opportune, execute with impale, and elemental ring with the BRP staff for dot pressure. If someone’s tanky I have 0 chance of taking them out solo, but I did manage a 1v3 once against newer players.

Taleof2Cities

Iskiab wrote: »

I’ve found it’s usually better to have some offense too, I used to pure heal but being short one person on offense can hurt the team. I’ve found it better to heal when needed and dps when needed, nothing spectacular stats wise on offense, 0-10 kills and 250k-1 million damage is my range.

Not all the battleground modes are Deathmatch, however, @Iskiab.

In other words, some battlegrounds are more healer-friendly than others.

Your build is very good for off-heals ... mixing in DPS where needed.

It would be better if we knew whether the OP wants to be off-heals or a pure healer with support.

Iskiab wrote: »

With a setup like this you should do well:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=157654

Agree, this is a pretty good build for an off-heals role. However, I'm worried about how much healing output this build actually does.

I added Healing Springs to Bar 1 in the UESP build editor ... and could only muster a 2k healing tooltip out of it (2007 to be exact). That's pretty middle of the road even for no CP.

In addition, players aren't going to have 100% uptime on major intellect. There's a cooldown on those magicka pots. A newer player might be heavy attacking more than they'd like with only 1,600+ regen ... which by the way further reduces the healing output.

Finally, protective traits on jewelry is probably OK for newer players. However, experienced PvP healers don't need to be at the resistance cap to survive.

Just my two cents. It would be nice to know what role the OP actually wants to fulfill.

Iskiab

Yea, I see what you’re saying. If you’ve leveled alchemy you can have theoretical 100% but yea there are times where it’s down if you forget. The reason I went with Mara instead of witchmother’s for more regen is the health pool looked low to me. With witchmother’s it was barely past 21k.

2k healing springs tooltip is fine imo considering it’s 0 CPs.

Warden’s my alt but you really think you don’t need protective? As a magblade all my builds run it, templar too. Warden has the advantage of shimmering shield and minor protection I guess.

I’ve also found the highest raw healing output are usually the max stat sets. Using sets like trans is more useful for the defensive 5 piece bonus and sustain then healing output. You could run Necro and bright throat for maximum healing amount and decent sustain... that’s all I can think of that’d be more.

Main reason I went with those sets is those are the sets the OP mentioned using. With some tweaks and ALWAYS using the skills I listed in the build it’s a solid class. I’m tempted to add inner light too, but it’s a great ability on this build moreso then a requirement.

P.S. if I was mixing damage and healing I’d use a destro on the back bar.

LordTareq

Jeremy wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

This is a learn to play thing, and I don't mean that as an insult to you, just that you need more experience with the class in PvP. I can assure you Wardens are more than capable of being bionic gods in PvP. But you need specific gear combinations to make it work, as well as experience in PvP so you know when to use which skills/active defense, which buffs you should never let run out, when to run away, when to stand your ground , etc..
More concrete, you need a good defensive monster set and as mentioned here a good defensive armour set. Healer in PvP = gear as a tank.

I've never seen a "bionic god healer" in a battleground - ever - in all my history on this game and I've done a ton of battlegrounds. So in my experience - the OP is correct. Healers generally can be considered fresh meat. A good team of four who know how to focus down a healer usually burn them pretty much instantly.

My conclusion is that unless you have an organized team to play with regularly - I would stay away from playing healers on this game's PvP. Otherwise you're in for a very miserable experience.

Then you are either not playing high MMR matches or there is a significant difference between EU and where you play. I see plenty of healers that are tough as nails to take down. 4 good players coordinating to focus down a healer will obviously kill him but if the healer's team isn't completely incompetent and the healer uses terrain and whatnot to interrupt the pressure they can outlast a lot of damage.

Xvorg

This conversation about stam healers makes me want to try something with Redistributor and a bow...

Wolfpaw

A healer in bg's is only as good as their team.

Iskiab

Wolfpaw wrote: »

A healer in bg's is only as good as their team.

There’s a lot of truth in this. I’ve been in some BGs where my team mates are squishy and try to hide behind me, crazy annoying when I have to take the brunt of the cc and have to spam heal to keep them alive when they do take damage.

Jeremy

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, magblades make great pvp healers. I’d put them as top tier along with Wardens though.

Wardens can’t invis but it does have a lot of defensive tools. Best way to do it I found was kite melee and use the projectile absorptions to negate people trying to cc you.

In other games, yea you had abilities like detaunt or whatever, in ESO the only thing that works is tanking up.

LordTareq wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

This is a learn to play thing, and I don't mean that as an insult to you, just that you need more experience with the class in PvP. I can assure you Wardens are more than capable of being bionic gods in PvP. But you need specific gear combinations to make it work, as well as experience in PvP so you know when to use which skills/active defense, which buffs you should never let run out, when to run away, when to stand your ground , etc..
More concrete, you need a good defensive monster set and as mentioned here a good defensive armour set. Healer in PvP = gear as a tank.

I've never seen a "bionic god healer" in a battleground - ever - in all my history on this game and I've done a ton of battlegrounds. So in my experience - the OP is correct. Healers generally can be considered fresh meat. A good team of four who know how to focus down a healer usually burn them pretty much instantly.

My conclusion is that unless you have an organized team to play with regularly - I would stay away from playing healers on this game's PvP. Otherwise you're in for a very miserable experience.

Then you are either not playing high MMR matches or there is a significant difference between EU and where you play. I see plenty of healers that are tough as nails to take down. 4 good players coordinating to focus down a healer will obviously kill him but if the healer's team isn't completely incompetent and the healer uses terrain and whatnot to interrupt the pressure they can outlast a lot of damage.

Then there is a significant difference between EU and where I play then. Because anyone who goes into a battleground as a healer expecting their team to protect them is going to be in for a rude awakening on NA (as this OP found out the hard way).

That's why I recommend playing as a Night Blade if anyone attempts this. Invisible is a lot more reliable.

Jeremy

Wolfpaw wrote: »

A healer in bg's is only as good as their team.

Pretty much. That's why I say I wouldn't try playing a healer on this game unless you have a regular team to play with.

HackTheMinotaur

Pariah is my go to set for BG healer builds that need to be tanky. Check it out. Pair it with a healing monster set like chokethorn plus transmutation or gossamer for your group buff.

Most_Awesome

7 Heavy/ Blood Spawn/ Malubeth/Earthgore/ Pirate Skeli etc

And then a majica set on jewellery and weapons transmutation/wizards/impreg/hist etc

s&b + Resto

Works 100% as Templar/Warden/Necro class

Koensol

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

Pariah is my go to set for BG healer builds that need to be tanky. Check it out. Pair it with a healing monster set like chokethorn plus transmutation or gossamer for your group buff.

Yeap. Pariah best defensive set in the game when paired with vampire undeath passive. Slap on some bogdan for maximum carry (seriously, by far the best monsterset for healing in the game and especially in BGs), and you almost cant go wrong.

Healers that can't tank damage from 2 people and survive is an l2p or l2build issue. It simply is. Stop looking at the game for excuses. Your build and how you play it simply don't cut it. There are enough tools in the game to be insanely tanky while having great heal output. I'll give one hint on how to reach high healing numbers when having low spell power: stack healing multipliers. You're welcome.

Iskiab

Jeremy wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, magblades make great pvp healers. I’d put them as top tier along with Wardens though.

Wardens can’t invis but it does have a lot of defensive tools. Best way to do it I found was kite melee and use the projectile absorptions to negate people trying to cc you.

In other games, yea you had abilities like detaunt or whatever, in ESO the only thing that works is tanking up.

LordTareq wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

festher wrote: »

ive begun building fortified brass. if that dosent work im done tryig to heal or supp anything in BGs. Which i actually like to make work. As i see it deffence is a joke in ESO,. You either teleport og go invisible or die. I die in 1-2sec before any heals can kick in if i have 2-3 players focus me for a split second. (24k hp, icefortress, 10x inpen, necro/shacklebreaker/warmaiden)

I guess its time for a yet another magsorc/dk/nb i guess. Just kill and go out with a blast instead of looking stupid!

This is a learn to play thing, and I don't mean that as an insult to you, just that you need more experience with the class in PvP. I can assure you Wardens are more than capable of being bionic gods in PvP. But you need specific gear combinations to make it work, as well as experience in PvP so you know when to use which skills/active defense, which buffs you should never let run out, when to run away, when to stand your ground , etc..
More concrete, you need a good defensive monster set and as mentioned here a good defensive armour set. Healer in PvP = gear as a tank.

I've never seen a "bionic god healer" in a battleground - ever - in all my history on this game and I've done a ton of battlegrounds. So in my experience - the OP is correct. Healers generally can be considered fresh meat. A good team of four who know how to focus down a healer usually burn them pretty much instantly.

My conclusion is that unless you have an organized team to play with regularly - I would stay away from playing healers on this game's PvP. Otherwise you're in for a very miserable experience.

Then you are either not playing high MMR matches or there is a significant difference between EU and where you play. I see plenty of healers that are tough as nails to take down. 4 good players coordinating to focus down a healer will obviously kill him but if the healer's team isn't completely incompetent and the healer uses terrain and whatnot to interrupt the pressure they can outlast a lot of damage.

Then there is a significant difference between EU and where I play then. Because anyone who goes into a battleground as a healer expecting their team to protect them is going to be in for a rude awakening on NA (as this OP found out the hard way).

That's why I recommend playing as a Night Blade if anyone attempts this. Invisible is a lot more reliable.

I’m PC-NA, I wouldn’t expect protection, but at the same time it works. I’ve found with new players it’s not that effective, but against better players and with better players it is.