Game is unplayable

Chaos2088 · June 2019

EU server still having issues? Everything is lagging like hell...

ChunkyCat · June 2019

JumpmanLane · June 2019

Cyro PcNA was so unplayable I logged out and watched Peaky Blinders

coletas · June 2019

Totally unplayable

Zer0oo · June 2019

working as intended aka buy more crown store item and ignore gamebreaking performance issues

MooseKnuckles88 · June 2019

Agreed, it's annoying AF on ps4 NA atm, had to be over the weekend too

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

No problems for me this evening, maybe your connection?

Dusk_Coven · June 2019

It could be in the way ESO is connecting to your geographically local internet routes. At least that's what my ISP is looking into. I suspect that a lot of people in the same geographic region and/or using the same ISP infrastructure would have the same type of problems.

Mine is frequent disconnections and if you search the Bug Report forum, similar issues seems to go back to 2016. I suppose since it's not global, they are willing to leave it uninvestigated and just let the affected players quit. Certainly contacting all possible local connections/services can be really time consuming.

However, the local ISPs might also not care about inability to reliably connect to just the one service and don't care to investigate closely. That's the feeling I'm starting to get from my ISP. We'll see how long they try to string me along or if they really did fly executives out to Alberta to talk to their reseller services provider.

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

It could be in the way ESO is connecting to your geographically local internet routes. At least that's what my ISP is looking into. I suspect that a lot of people in the same geographic region and/or using the same ISP infrastructure would have the same type of problems.

Mine is frequent disconnections and if you search the Bug Report forum, similar issues seems to go back to 2016. I suppose since it's not global, they are willing to leave it uninvestigated and just let the affected players quit. Certainly contacting all possible local connections/services can be really time consuming.

However, the local ISPs might also not care about inability to reliably connect to just the one service and don't care to investigate closely. That's the feeling I'm starting to get from my ISP. We'll see how long they try to string me along or if they really did fly executives out to Alberta to talk to their reseller services provider.

Is it possible to try a different ISP in your area, perhaps on a friend's connection to see if it makes a difference, assuming both PCs are of roughly equal performance too?

nekura · June 2019

PCNA was *** last night. Every player in /zone, every streamer and all my guild mates were complaining about it. The good will defending ZOS is unwarranted. It's them not us.

YaYaPineapple · June 2019

PC/NA was fine for me last night, even running dolmens for hours in Alik'r to level an alt... and I was using my cell phone (Sprint) for my internet connection.

YaYaPineapple · June 2019

BTW - has everyone checked that their antivirus programs are not interfering with ESO? If you have real-time scanning for example, you need to mark ESO as an exception so its not getting scanned.

Dusk_Coven · June 2019

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Is it possible to try a different ISP in your area, perhaps on a friend's connection to see if it makes a difference, assuming both PCs are of roughly equal performance too?

I'm looking around but there's not much choice in town. Sure there are reseller brands but a lot of them are using the same mega-corp's infrastructure. I gotta do my research because those resellers don't say up front who they are based on.

fullheartcontainer · June 2019

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

YaYaPineapple · June 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

Ok... but we are all playing the same game (per server) the primary differences being personal hardware, other software running on that personal hardware, internet connection, and geographic location.

I mean, do you think ZOS just likes certain people better or what? :P

xF1REFL1x · June 2019

Even the simplest battles are frustrating... music off... mounting off... loading screens long if not freezing... this is embarrassing to say the least.

Dusk_Coven · June 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

My issue, that of frequent disconnects and getting kicked to the login screen, was apparently also experienced by World of Warcraft (and possibly other Blizzard games) players way back around 2008. From what I've read on the internet, Comcast admitted there was an issue and worked to resolve it.
So a lot of people were affected and apparently Blizzard wasn't the main culprit. What they did have, was more acknowledgement of the problem.

(If other people have a more accurate summary of that event, feel free to step in here)

So, without knowing 100% where and what is causing my frequent disconnects from ESO, I don't want to blame ZOS. I would however like them to have a more active part in helping us resolve it, though -- Single customer voices talking to an ISP Customer Service person with a condescending attitude because you have a problem with just "a game" won't have the clout an internationally known game company has.

And other players who just throw out pat answers like "maybe it's XYZ" -- can you all please STFU. Do you seriously think we haven't gone through all the customer service hoops that have gone through all those possibilities? If it were so easily solved do you think we'd bother to post anything here? It is extremely arrogant and foolish to think with one flippant sentence you can solve an issue that's been ongoing for a long time. Go to the Bug Reports forum and do a search on "kicked to login" and you will see -- since 2017 if not earlier.

xF1REFL1x wrote: »

Even the simplest battles are frustrating... music off... mounting off... loading screens long if not freezing... this is embarrassing to say the least.

I'm tempted to change my build and run two sorc pets again. At least they can tank the baddies away and win the fight for me if I'm disconnected but still logged in somehow.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

LOL.
I have played FF14 not a long ago. There was a period of time when EU players getting constantly kicked out of server every day in prime time. And it wasnt problem with game servers. It was problem on the WAY to this servers.

SO YEA , it can be your ISP or your computer.

eso_lags · June 2019

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

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fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

My issue, that of frequent disconnects and getting kicked to the login screen, was apparently also experienced by World of Warcraft (and possibly other Blizzard games) players way back around 2008. From what I've read on the internet, Comcast admitted there was an issue and worked to resolve it.
So a lot of people were affected and apparently Blizzard wasn't the main culprit. What they did have, was more acknowledgement of the problem.

(If other people have a more accurate summary of that event, feel free to step in here)

So, without knowing 100% where and what is causing my frequent disconnects from ESO, I don't want to blame ZOS. I would however like them to have a more active part in helping us resolve it, though -- Single customer voices talking to an ISP Customer Service person with a condescending attitude because you have a problem with just "a game" won't have the clout an internationally known game company has.

And other players who just throw out pat answers like "maybe it's XYZ" -- can you all please STFU. Do you seriously think we haven't gone through all the customer service hoops that have gone through all those possibilities? If it were so easily solved do you think we'd bother to post anything here? It is extremely arrogant and foolish to think with one flippant sentence you can solve an issue that's been ongoing for a long time. Go to the Bug Reports forum and do a search on "kicked to login" and you will see -- since 2017 if not earlier.
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xF1REFL1x wrote: »

Even the simplest battles are frustrating... music off... mounting off... loading screens long if not freezing... this is embarrassing to say the least.

I'm tempted to change my build and run two sorc pets again. At least they can tank the baddies away and win the fight for me if I'm disconnected but still logged in somehow.

What about when a group of us experience the exact same issues, on a daily basis, in the same zone, and we are all from different areas of the world with different ISPs. Its not your ISP. Sure it could be in some cases, but overall this game is a mess. I play with people from US, canada, and eu. Same BS in pvp. Same terrible performance in the main campaign.

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

eso_lags wrote: »

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Dusk_Coven wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

My issue, that of frequent disconnects and getting kicked to the login screen, was apparently also experienced by World of Warcraft (and possibly other Blizzard games) players way back around 2008. From what I've read on the internet, Comcast admitted there was an issue and worked to resolve it.
So a lot of people were affected and apparently Blizzard wasn't the main culprit. What they did have, was more acknowledgement of the problem.

(If other people have a more accurate summary of that event, feel free to step in here)

So, without knowing 100% where and what is causing my frequent disconnects from ESO, I don't want to blame ZOS. I would however like them to have a more active part in helping us resolve it, though -- Single customer voices talking to an ISP Customer Service person with a condescending attitude because you have a problem with just "a game" won't have the clout an internationally known game company has.

And other players who just throw out pat answers like "maybe it's XYZ" -- can you all please STFU. Do you seriously think we haven't gone through all the customer service hoops that have gone through all those possibilities? If it were so easily solved do you think we'd bother to post anything here? It is extremely arrogant and foolish to think with one flippant sentence you can solve an issue that's been ongoing for a long time. Go to the Bug Reports forum and do a search on "kicked to login" and you will see -- since 2017 if not earlier.

xF1REFL1x wrote: »

Even the simplest battles are frustrating... music off... mounting off... loading screens long if not freezing... this is embarrassing to say the least.

I'm tempted to change my build and run two sorc pets again. At least they can tank the baddies away and win the fight for me if I'm disconnected but still logged in somehow.

What about when a group of us experience the exact same issues, on a daily basis, in the same zone, and we are all from different areas of the world with different ISPs. Its not your ISP. Sure it could be in some cases, but overall this game is a mess. I play with people from US, canada, and eu. Same BS in pvp. Same terrible performance in the main campaign.

Yes and at the same time another, much larger group experiences no issues at all.

Now, if it was the actual game server then both groups must by definition be affected.
It is also extremely unlikely that all those from the affected group are all running substandard computers or have all just installed some software that is interrupting gameplay.

The only logical conclusion, therefore, is that the connectivity issues lie between the server and the end user. There are many routes between a user and actual servers, like a busy road network, a delay in one section can filter back many miles whereas others travelling to the same destination from a different direction are unaffected.

Years ago, Star Trek Online had similar issues, it turned out it was the Cogent servers throttling bandwidth, Cryptic paid them the bare minimum for their service and as such it was always dropping off for some but not others. Symptoms included disconnects, rubberbanding, low fps, delays to recorded keypresses etc. Cryptic eventually changed their service provider and the issue went away for the most part.

Now, an interesting thing I've discovered here, and backed up by other users in this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8n3084/eso_eu_server_is_in_america/

is that the EU Megaserver is nowhere near the EU, it is in Hunt Valley, Maryland, USA. Apparently, it was moved back to the USA when the game looked like it was going to go *** up. The original migration from the USA to the EU is featured here:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/1095

but ZOS never mentioned, from what I can see, that they were, in fact, moving it back to the US, still, as you can see, that's where it is, do your own research to check (you can get to the IP address vai the task manager.

Full size link: https://i.imgur.com/x4fkfQa.png

Raudgrani · June 2019

Since latest maintenance, it's working surprisingly well for me on Xbox EU. Both PVE and PVP. Sometimes it feels like people are just complaining for the sake of keeping up tradition.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

I haven’t been able to enjoy eso at all properly since Elsweyr went live. The other day I didn’t even bother logging in the lag is game breaking.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

Raudgrani wrote: »

Since latest maintenance, it's working surprisingly well for me on Xbox EU. Both PVE and PVP. Sometimes it feels like people are just complaining for the sake of keeping up tradition.

Look at my last 2 videos on YouTube and tell me I’m complaining for the sake of it. While your at it check jackbull channel he shows same lag I’m getting.

Censered · June 2019

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

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fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

Ok... but we are all playing the same game (per server) the primary differences being personal hardware, other software running on that personal hardware, internet connection, and geographic location.

I mean, do you think ZOS just likes certain people better or what? :P

I've spent a lot of time on other games (eve, warhammer online, lotr, d&d online, SW, wow, privet server wow and a handful of others etc.)and the situation was the same as it is here. I.E. we were all playing the same game. The only difference is that all the other games didn't have thread after thread with complaints like the ones I see here.

Its obviously the programing and how it communicates with different areas.

Also just as a general comment on the game what the hell is up with the loooong load times and lagging out all the other computers in the house? Ive got my graphics turned all the way down and it still lagged everything out. With the game on medium the other computers were basically unusable because it would take a minute just to bring up google and you would need to go do house work to pass the time if you wanted to wait for youtube to become usable. I've multi boxed several other games and didn't have anywhere near the problem I'm having with running just one client on first gen ps2 level graphics.

jircris11 · June 2019

What I don't get is how people complaine about dc, lag and such yet when i get on the EU server to play sith friends I have little issue, slightly higher ping due to connecting from the usa but I dint get dcs or lag nearly as often as ppl claim it on here. Same with na, both pve and pvp.

Raudgrani · June 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

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Raudgrani wrote: »

Since latest maintenance, it's working surprisingly well for me on Xbox EU. Both PVE and PVP. Sometimes it feels like people are just complaining for the sake of keeping up tradition.

Look at my last 2 videos on YouTube and tell me I’m complaining for the sake of it. While your at it check jackbull channel he shows same lag I’m getting.

You know I won't do that. But it's sad it's not working for you. What I mean is, there are problems alright. They were worse right after Elsweyr was released. I was complaining myself, didn't even feel like logging into the game. There was a patch, it fixed nothing - if anything, it felt like it got even worse. Then there was a maintenance shortly after that, and since then - at least for me - it's working better than it has for a really long time.

IwakuraLain42 · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

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fullheartcontainer wrote: »

People keep saying "oh maybe it's your ISP. Maybe it's your computer"

Other games don't have this problem, and the problem seems ubiquitous in the ESO community. At what point are people going to smell the roses and accept that it's the game, the servers, and ZOS that's the issue here

LOL.
I have played FF14 not a long ago. There was a period of time when EU players getting constantly kicked out of server every day in prime time. And it wasnt problem with game servers. It was problem on the WAY to this servers.

SO YEA , it can be your ISP or your computer.

That was due to some serious DDOS attacks against the ff14 servers at that time (which BTW affected all 3 datacenters from time to time). But here's the *huge* difference: SE was very open and transparent about that and posted daily followups and infos about those attacks. There is a metric s* ton of difference between the quality and quantity of communication between companies. If there is/was a DDOS attack happening I would hope we would informed. But as we all know: ZOS doesn't communicate. Period.

ATomiX96 · June 2019

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Now, an interesting thing I've discovered here, and backed up by other users in this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8n3084/eso_eu_server_is_in_america/

is that the EU Megaserver is nowhere near the EU, it is in Hunt Valley, Maryland, USA. Apparently, it was moved back to the USA when the game looked like it was going to go *** up. The original migration from the USA to the EU is featured here:

The *** login-server is in the US not the actual game-server.
Its 2 different *** things.
Misinformation spreading people like you give me major brain damage.
DO YOUR *** RESEARCH BEFORE TRYING TO ACT SMART.