Which is the strongest class raw healing ult in the game?

nsmurfer

What are the advantages of the class healing ults of each class over the others from a group PvP point of view? This is a from healing perspective and utility while counted, comes second to utility.

darkblue5

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

Barrier.

susmitds

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

In raw healing numbers, Soul Siphon is by far the highest healing ultimate. It also has the highest range of 28 meters, compared to 20m of Templar, 8m of the rest. Everybody in your group gets Major Vitality, further boosting heals. There are no limitations unlike the Templar ult, like being unable to move, while healing for more than Templar ult. There is an ally synergy available, which can hit as hard as Dawnbreaker with further heals.

VaranisArano

I almost never see Absorption Field. Its nearly always Supression Field.

david_m_18b16_ESO

susmitds wrote: »

In raw healing numbers, Soul Siphon is by far the highest healing ultimate. It also has the highest range of 28 meters, compared to 20m of Templar, 8m of the rest. Everybody in your group gets Major Vitality, further boosting heals. There are no limitations unlike the Templar ult, like being unable to move, while healing for more than Templar ult. There is an ally synergy available, which can hit as hard as Dawnbreaker with further heals.

Explained like that it seems overpowered.

susmitds

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

In raw healing numbers, Soul Siphon is by far the highest healing ultimate. It also has the highest range of 28 meters, compared to 20m of Templar, 8m of the rest. Everybody in your group gets Major Vitality, further boosting heals. There are no limitations unlike the Templar ult, like being unable to move, while healing for more than Templar ult. There is an ally synergy available, which can hit as hard as Dawnbreaker with further heals.

Explained like that it seems overpowered.

@david_m_18b16_ESO It also costs the most ultimate at 150, while Templar's is at 125 and Warden has theirs at 90.

Diundriel

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

the NB ulti is not stationary (templar ulti is stationary, you can not cast anything while Channeling it), so you can still spam springs or whatsoever while also having your heal ultimate ulti going out.
it can not get negated (barrier/templar ulti aswell) so you can cast it in Moments where you expect a counter negate.
it gives you the highest burst heal of all healing ultis together with Major vitality.

All in all i would say it has huge burst potential but if you take a lot of pressure over a longer Duration and can afford to be static, i'd prefer the templar ulti, also because hasty Prayer is to nice (aswell as the purge Synergy)…

frostz417

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

Nb ultimate is disgusting

nsmurfer

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

In raw healing numbers, Soul Siphon is by far the highest healing ultimate. It also has the highest range of 28 meters, compared to 20m of Templar, 8m of the rest. Everybody in your group gets Major Vitality, further boosting heals. There are no limitations unlike the Templar ult, like being unable to move, while healing for more than Templar ult. There is an ally synergy available, which can hit as hard as Dawnbreaker with further heals.

Explained like that it seems overpowered.

That's my suspicion as well. There was this BG all stamNB group that just rotated Soul Siphon amongst each other, pretty much replacing a healer.

Tyrobag

Enchanted Forest/Healing Thicket (Warden)

You can cast it far more often than the others.

Sotha_Sil

Remembrance/Practiced Incantation (Templar)

Tyrobag wrote: »

You can cast it far more often than the others.

But it has been nerfed to the ground and is useless now ?

rotaugen454

Well, Necromancers have an ultimate that can raise 3 players from the dead. That’s a powerful heal...

LordLomax

Where is the necro option for bringing three back from the dead ?

Tommy_The_Gun

Is this a nerf thread ?

Iskiab

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

No contest, Soul Siphon.

People who answered differently are wrong.

Seraphayel

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Well, Necromancers have an ultimate that can raise 3 players from the dead. That’s a powerful heal...

When can you really take advantage of this? And why couldn’t you prevent death with any of the other ults mentioned here and need to rely on the Necro ult? I’d say it’s fairly worthless due to the incredible cost of 350 Ultimate. With that cost you could have prevented death several times with 3-4 Thickets, 2-3 Templar / NB Ults.

Iskiab

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

In raw healing numbers, Soul Siphon is by far the highest healing ultimate. It also has the highest range of 28 meters, compared to 20m of Templar, 8m of the rest. Everybody in your group gets Major Vitality, further boosting heals. There are no limitations unlike the Templar ult, like being unable to move, while healing for more than Templar ult. There is an ally synergy available, which can hit as hard as Dawnbreaker with further heals.

Explained like that it seems overpowered.

Depends on your perspective.

Class healing abilities aren’t really balanced on a per ability level, they’re moreso balanced based on the entire toolkit. So like each NB non-ultimate healing ability is worse then the equivalent Templar ability, and in exchange NBs have the best ultimate and Templars the worst. Plus NBs have better healing passives.

It’s a big reason why NBs as pvp healers work, but in PvE Templars are king because everyone uses warhorn.

Jamdarius

Enchanted Forest/Healing Thicket (Warden)

I would say PvP wise:
Strongest is NB ulti however
The best to use is Warden tree because it is cheap and it is visible to our allies so when they are in trouble they can even run to it instead of having to be close to you when you just pop the NB healing ultimate. Also enchanted Forest will give back a lot of ulti in PvP so you can spam it pretty much all the time.

Vermethys

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

For PvP, Soul Siphon without a doubt. Here's a screenshot from a full-length Deathmatch on my brawler Stamina NB with only Resolving Vigor and Soul Siphon as healing abilities:



Mind you, this is from a pug group on a build not really optimised for group support at all. You can probably imagine what it can do on a MagNB PvP healer.

Synnastix

I main heal w/ templar and tend to use barrier as my ult.

Iskiab

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

Vermethys wrote: »

For PvP, Soul Siphon without a doubt. Here's a screenshot from a full-length Deathmatch on my brawler Stamina NB with only Resolving Vigor and Soul Siphon as healing abilities:



Mind you, this is from a pug group on a build not really optimised for group support at all. You can probably imagine what it can do on a MagNB PvP healer.

Yea, I’ve only seen NBs break 2 million healing in a BG, and multiple NBs have done it.

Sergykid

Remembrance/Practiced Incantation (Templar)

does healing ults scale off stamina if that one is higher? i know ults that say "deal magic damage" are better used from a mag char, and ults that say "deal pshysical damage" are better used from a stam char. But ults that say "healing X" can scale off stamina? for example a stamplar can heal just as good as a magplar with the ult?

Iskiab

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

Sergykid wrote: »

does healing ults scale off stamina if that one is higher? i know ults that say "deal magic damage" are better used from a mag char, and ults that say "deal pshysical damage" are better used from a stam char. But ults that say "healing X" can scale off stamina? for example a stamplar can heal just as good as a magplar with the ult?

Yea, they scale off your highest stat.

One thing to consider though, if your highest stat is stamina it will use phys pen and weapon crit, and if your highest stat is magicka it will use magical pen and spell crit.

ssewallb14_ESO

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

In terms of raw amount of healing done Soul Siphon. In terms of defensive ults it's nowhere near the best. Even tether is better in most situations.

Sergykid

Remembrance/Practiced Incantation (Templar)

Iskiab wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

does healing ults scale off stamina if that one is higher? i know ults that say "deal magic damage" are better used from a mag char, and ults that say "deal pshysical damage" are better used from a stam char. But ults that say "healing X" can scale off stamina? for example a stamplar can heal just as good as a magplar with the ult?

Yea, they scale off your highest stat.

One thing to consider though, if your highest stat is stamina it will use phys pen and weapon crit, and if your highest stat is magicka it will use magical pen and spell crit.

why do i care about spell pen when using healing ult? i wanna know if for example i can use as a full stamina char a healing ult and be just as effective as a mag user

Emma_Overload

Enchanted Forest/Healing Thicket (Warden)

Wow, I didn't even know NBs HAD a healing ultimate!

I've never seen them use it, probably because they constantly blow their ult on Incap or whatever.

Vietfox

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Wow, I didn't even know NBs HAD a healing ultimate!

Lmao, you should play something else than magsorc.

Vietfox

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

I'm so much in love with this skill and i "discovered" the usefulness of this morph accidentally, since i wrongly assumed that tether was the morph to go for pvp.
I got a magblade who queues as a healer so i was running soul siphon and when i went to the shrine to respec skills and stuff to take that character to cyro i forgot to change siphon for tether. When i realized i was in Cyro already and said "**** it, i'm not going back to Grahtwood".


Best mistake of my gaming life.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

This skill is great! Love it! I know some people have been running barrier instead but it isn’t as good IMO and the siphoning passives are better anyways. HUGE healing. Keep it on the back bar yo.

geonsocal

Soul Siphon (Nightblade)

dang, I have soul tether still slotted on my mag nb - need to get that fixed asap...

thanks for the thread OP...