Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Spotted the Stamina player who doesn’t want to lose his superiority.
Looks like mag toons like yourself have to make up false benefits to keep your best abilities and gear sets.BlackMadara wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Dual wield has its place in pvp. Twin slash and spin2win are commonly used (spin2win less so after nerf).
2h is not bis but you can finish most pve content as a 2h dps.
There are legit bow/bow dps in pve. Maybe not bis atm but still doable. Bow backbar is strong in both pve and pvp.
SnB is used for damage dealers in pvp, and that is fine.
Stamina does have better in-class skills. This is due to the early design scheme of magicka being mostly class based and stamina being mostly weapon based.
Sturdy and well fitted are better on stam toons. They have their use on magicka toons, but they aren't as effective.
Dodge and block are more effective than stam toons. Higher stam pool, which also contributes to damage and healing.
Vigor is a very powerful skill. It bring a well built toon to full from 10% very quickly in pve. There is no objective debate against it in pvp as well.
The current game is balanced around most stam toons not having available burst heals. This is for a reason. Stamina is better at mitigating and avoiding damage.
1. Dw is bad in pvp its only used for bleed and aoe. Only these two skills make it worth using not a good design.
2. I could do a lot of content wearing hundings and bone pirate but is it the most efficient? 2h sucks in pve no real stam DD will give up DW/Bow
3. Bow builds are memes in pve, only 2 classes can make them work(warden,necro) and need to be far from boss or healer for max damage, also don’t have survivability like ranged mag toons. In pvp its a gank build or you’re a liability to your group.
4.SnB is used by all classes not just stam, tell the magdk block caster to stop using snbs OP blocking. Also it doesn’t do any damage unless you animation cancel with. Again a tank weapon with utilitie. Can you make a pve dps build with snb? I’ll wait.
5. Why would a mag toon wear sturdy/well fitted? Im going to assume you mean pvp in that case wearing those traits is pointless impen is king and is infinitely better on mag toons that can spam shields with no consequences and attack at 40+ m range.
6.dodge/block also cost stam meaning you have to balance your offense and defense or rip, on a mag toon all you need to do is have atleast 800 stam rec and cc break every 7 secs and you will never run out of stam.
7. So Breath of life cannot bring someone from near dead to full? Lmao really trying to tell me a heal in which you need to mitigate damage while the heal is active( good luck with all the Aoes ) is somehow superior than an instant burst heal. Lol just lol.
8. This also has to be a troll. I guess vAS vCR and vMA should run all stam builds right? Why have mag toons who can shield spam, superior heals and deal damage from range safely/ never stand in red, when stam toons are better dying left and right next to the boss with their “superior” vigor heals
Nothing goes wrong, skills cannot be spamed.rally/fm and vigor for mag... what can go wrong... at the same time, springs, breath of life etc for stam....
Having all heals scall of max stat does nothing to change that you need magcika to cast most heals.
As such it does not make stamina worth healing but could create some very OP stam builds. As such it is a very bad idea and I doubt Zos would even consider it let alone getting a large number of players to support it.
I do see OP has said what they think will happen, but that is irrelevant as OP does not know what will happen and my guess is no one at this point has thought it through enough, nor ever will, to see the true impact.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Spotted the Stamina player who doesn’t want to lose his superiority.
Looks like mag toons like yourself have to make up false benefits to keep your best abilities and gear sets.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Nothing goes wrong, skills cannot be spamed.rally/fm and vigor for mag... what can go wrong... at the same time, springs, breath of life etc for stam....Having all heals scall of max stat does nothing to change that you need magcika to cast most heals.
As such it does not make stamina worth healing but could create some very OP stam builds. As such it is a very bad idea and I doubt Zos would even consider it let alone getting a large number of players to support it.
I do see OP has said what they think will happen, but that is irrelevant as OP does not know what will happen and my guess is no one at this point has thought it through enough, nor ever will, to see the true impact.
That’s the point the heals would be powerful but you cannot spam them, it would require you to sacrifice max stats in order to use the opposite resources pool.
ZoS has already considered exploring hybridization of skill lines like weapons skill lines in an AMA in reddit. In addtion warden and templars class skills got a max stat healing change if anything I think its something zos might do altogether.
Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Spotted the Stamina player who doesn’t want to lose his superiority.
Looks like mag toons like yourself have to make up false benefits to keep your best abilities and gear sets.BlackMadara wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Dual wield has its place in pvp. Twin slash and spin2win are commonly used (spin2win less so after nerf).
2h is not bis but you can finish most pve content as a 2h dps.
There are legit bow/bow dps in pve. Maybe not bis atm but still doable. Bow backbar is strong in both pve and pvp.
SnB is used for damage dealers in pvp, and that is fine.
Stamina does have better in-class skills. This is due to the early design scheme of magicka being mostly class based and stamina being mostly weapon based.
Sturdy and well fitted are better on stam toons. They have their use on magicka toons, but they aren't as effective.
Dodge and block are more effective than stam toons. Higher stam pool, which also contributes to damage and healing.
Vigor is a very powerful skill. It bring a well built toon to full from 10% very quickly in pve. There is no objective debate against it in pvp as well.
The current game is balanced around most stam toons not having available burst heals. This is for a reason. Stamina is better at mitigating and avoiding damage.
1. Dw is bad in pvp its only used for bleed and aoe. Only these two skills make it worth using not a good design.
2. I could do a lot of content wearing hundings and bone pirate but is it the most efficient? 2h sucks in pve no real stam DD will give up DW/Bow
3. Bow builds are memes in pve, only 2 classes can make them work(warden,necro) and need to be far from boss or healer for max damage, also don’t have survivability like ranged mag toons. In pvp its a gank build or you’re a liability to your group.
4.SnB is used by all classes not just stam, tell the magdk block caster to stop using snbs OP blocking. Also it doesn’t do any damage unless you animation cancel with. Again a tank weapon with utilitie. Can you make a pve dps build with snb? I’ll wait.
5. Why would a mag toon wear sturdy/well fitted? Im going to assume you mean pvp in that case wearing those traits is pointless impen is king and is infinitely better on mag toons that can spam shields with no consequences and attack at 40+ m range.
6.dodge/block also cost stam meaning you have to balance your offense and defense or rip, on a mag toon all you need to do is have atleast 800 stam rec and cc break every 7 secs and you will never run out of stam.
7. So Breath of life cannot bring someone from near dead to full? Lmao really trying to tell me a heal in which you need to mitigate damage while the heal is active( good luck with all the Aoes ) is somehow superior than an instant burst heal. Lol just lol.
8. This also has to be a troll. I guess vAS vCR and vMA should run all stam builds right? Why have mag toons who can shield spam, superior heals and deal damage from range safely/ never stand in red, when stam toons are better dying left and right next to the boss with their “superior” vigor heals
1. "Only used for bleed and aoe" - yes, exactly. And that's more than enough and exactly the diversity I was talking about. As Stamina you have the choice. As Magicka you don't.
2. Again, you still have the choice that Magicka doesn't have. Use Frost Staff? Haha sure!
3. They still exist. Again, diversity for Stamina I was mentioning. For Magicka? Nothing.
4. I agree, this shouldn't be counted when talking about Stamina DPS.
5. Attack at 40m range? Yeah... it's not like there are gap closers everywhere and melees are dominant in PvP (and PvE) for over a year now.
6. You have to balance basically nothing, as a Stamina toon you still can roll far more often (how often can Magicka players constantly roll? Two times, maybe a third?) - your defensive capabilities are still superior alone due to that role/break free stuff.
7. I already said besides some class skills and not that it the single-best healing spell in game. Vigor is super strong even compared to Breath of Life or Mushrooms (when we're talking about Magicka). From healing output / cost it's the most efficient healing spell in game next to Healing Springs.
8. Again, the Stam meta is not a myth, please look at the logs. Stamina is far superior to Magicka in vet content and in PvP Stamina is dominating as well.
I agree that Stamina is lacking class heals in that regard and they must rely on Vigor. If Vigor gets a Magicka morph class heals should get Stamina morphs, too. But please don't deny that Stamina is dominating both aspects of the game at the moment.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Spotted the Stamina player who doesn’t want to lose his superiority.
Looks like mag toons like yourself have to make up false benefits to keep your best abilities and gear sets.
This is not a very sound respoAnti_Virus wrote: »Nothing goes wrong, skills cannot be spamed.rally/fm and vigor for mag... what can go wrong... at the same time, springs, breath of life etc for stam....Having all heals scall of max stat does nothing to change that you need magcika to cast most heals.
As such it does not make stamina worth healing but could create some very OP stam builds. As such it is a very bad idea and I doubt Zos would even consider it let alone getting a large number of players to support it.
I do see OP has said what they think will happen, but that is irrelevant as OP does not know what will happen and my guess is no one at this point has thought it through enough, nor ever will, to see the true impact.
That’s the point the heals would be powerful but you cannot spam them, it would require you to sacrifice max stats in order to use the opposite resources pool.
ZoS has already considered exploring hybridization of skill lines like weapons skill lines in an AMA in reddit. In addtion warden and templars class skills got a max stat healing change if anything I think its something zos might do altogether.
You ignore the biggest point of unintended consequences. That is where your idea falls apart. Much of these ideas people present in the forums fail to consider the big picture and only address what that players wants.,
Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Spotted the Stamina player who doesn’t want to lose his superiority.
Looks like mag toons like yourself have to make up false benefits to keep your best abilities and gear sets.BlackMadara wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »
Stamina has...
- more weapon choices with overall better skills
false, DW sucks in pvp while 2h sucks in pve. Bow is not a mainhand wep while SnB is a tank wep.
- better non-class skills
this has to be a joke
- better sets
again false, unless you count fury/7th as all stam sets
- higher DPS capabilities
melee dps should deal more damage since they cannot shield and are ontop of the boss
- better armor traits / combination possibilities
has to be a joke
- better defensive capabilities (in parts due to roll dodge costing Stamina)
got to be a joke
- Vigor is the best and most efficient healing skill in game (besides some class healing skills)
false, tell templars and wardens to slot vigor instead of BOL/ pollen as healers
All in all biased post is biased .
Dual wield has its place in pvp. Twin slash and spin2win are commonly used (spin2win less so after nerf).
2h is not bis but you can finish most pve content as a 2h dps.
There are legit bow/bow dps in pve. Maybe not bis atm but still doable. Bow backbar is strong in both pve and pvp.
SnB is used for damage dealers in pvp, and that is fine.
Stamina does have better in-class skills. This is due to the early design scheme of magicka being mostly class based and stamina being mostly weapon based.
Sturdy and well fitted are better on stam toons. They have their use on magicka toons, but they aren't as effective.
Dodge and block are more effective than stam toons. Higher stam pool, which also contributes to damage and healing.
Vigor is a very powerful skill. It bring a well built toon to full from 10% very quickly in pve. There is no objective debate against it in pvp as well.
The current game is balanced around most stam toons not having available burst heals. This is for a reason. Stamina is better at mitigating and avoiding damage.
1. Dw is bad in pvp its only used for bleed and aoe. Only these two skills make it worth using not a good design.
2. I could do a lot of content wearing hundings and bone pirate but is it the most efficient? 2h sucks in pve no real stam DD will give up DW/Bow
3. Bow builds are memes in pve, only 2 classes can make them work(warden,necro) and need to be far from boss or healer for max damage, also don’t have survivability like ranged mag toons. In pvp its a gank build or you’re a liability to your group.
4.SnB is used by all classes not just stam, tell the magdk block caster to stop using snbs OP blocking. Also it doesn’t do any damage unless you animation cancel with. Again a tank weapon with utilitie. Can you make a pve dps build with snb? I’ll wait.
5. Why would a mag toon wear sturdy/well fitted? Im going to assume you mean pvp in that case wearing those traits is pointless impen is king and is infinitely better on mag toons that can spam shields with no consequences and attack at 40+ m range.
6.dodge/block also cost stam meaning you have to balance your offense and defense or rip, on a mag toon all you need to do is have atleast 800 stam rec and cc break every 7 secs and you will never run out of stam.
7. So Breath of life cannot bring someone from near dead to full? Lmao really trying to tell me a heal in which you need to mitigate damage while the heal is active( good luck with all the Aoes ) is somehow superior than an instant burst heal. Lol just lol.
8. This also has to be a troll. I guess vAS vCR and vMA should run all stam builds right? Why have mag toons who can shield spam, superior heals and deal damage from range safely/ never stand in red, when stam toons are better dying left and right next to the boss with their “superior” vigor heals
1. "Only used for bleed and aoe" - yes, exactly. And that's more than enough and exactly the diversity I was talking about. As Stamina you have the choice. As Magicka you don't.
2. Again, you still have the choice that Magicka doesn't have. Use Frost Staff? Haha sure!
3. They still exist. Again, diversity for Stamina I was mentioning. For Magicka? Nothing.
4. I agree, this shouldn't be counted when talking about Stamina DPS.
5. Attack at 40m range? Yeah... it's not like there are gap closers everywhere and melees are dominant in PvP (and PvE) for over a year now.
6. You have to balance basically nothing, as a Stamina toon you still can roll far more often (how often can Magicka players constantly roll? Two times, maybe a third?) - your defensive capabilities are still superior alone due to that role/break free stuff.
7. I already said besides some class skills and not that it the single-best healing spell in game. Vigor is super strong even compared to Breath of Life or Mushrooms (when we're talking about Magicka). From healing output / cost it's the most efficient healing spell in game next to Healing Springs.
8. Again, the Stam meta is not a myth, please look at the logs. Stamina is far superior to Magicka in vet content and in PvP Stamina is dominating as well.
I agree that Stamina is lacking class heals in that regard and they must rely on Vigor. If Vigor gets a Magicka morph class heals should get Stamina morphs, too. But please don't deny that Stamina is dominating both aspects of the game at the moment.
I’m not going to to keep arguing on, but on point 8 that’s anecdotal and has no proof. No one knows what spec is “meta”
Seraphayel wrote: »Based on a 4 year old graph we should claim Light Armor / Magicka is the king? Come on. Do you play PvP? Do you check ESO Logs? The picture is very clear. That’s doesn’t mean Magicka can be strong. It just means Stamina is pretty much favored and overperforming.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Based on a 4 year old graph we should claim Light Armor / Magicka is the king? Come on. Do you play PvP? Do you check ESO Logs? The picture is very clear. That’s doesn’t mean Magicka can be strong. It just means Stamina is pretty much favored and overperforming.
Yeah, there is Zero proof of stam being favored or over performing its all anecdotal no one know what spec is, but for now the proof is out there, unless Zos themselves release new date proven otherwise.