My opinion of the Magicka-based classes (PVP)
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This is just my 2 cents worth concerning the "balance" of magicka-based classes. Take what you will from it. I have a character in every class that I run anywhere from solo, to small man, to large groups in Cyrodiil. I try to be a "purist" when it comes to magicka-builds (ie: I try to run as many class-based skills as possible... but there's usually one or two non-class skills in the bulids). As a little insight to how I make my builds: I normally stack armor sets toward the highest 100% uptime damage possible and then tailor my regen/resistances around those builds. I always shoot for a 5l/1m/1h setup with at least 2k crit resist, 10k penetration, 23k resistances, and 1700 regen. This is how I would rate the "effectiveness" of each class:
#1. MagSorc (Innate, Netch, Mighty Chudan) High burst and mobility. They're the "executioner" of group play. I will get the killing blow. I don't play with pets, though- so my self heals are lacking.
#2. MagBlade (Innate, War Maiden, Slimecraw) High damage and high group heals. It feels amazing to Lotus Fan into a group, burst with Soul Siphon, and then Sap away- all while adding heals to my party. The only thing I miss is the speed now that it's been taken away from Double Take.
#3. MagDK (Innate, Silks, Domihaus) Good damage with a lot of group utility. Though their heals are selfish- my DK adds snares, immobilizers, and fantastic synergizes to my party. I wish they had a better shield or small self purge.
#4. MagPlar (Soulshine, War Maiden, Mighty Chudan) Very good group heals/utility and good damage. My channeled abilities (Dark Flare, jabs, jesus beam, and soul assault hit like a mother). I wish that we had a functioning immobilizer and Dark Flare's cast time was moved to .5 seconds.
#5. MagNecro (Innate, Rattlecage, Valkyn Skoria) I absolutely love the synergies and group utility for these guys. My only complaint is that they're a little too "giving" and they don't really have some pretty major self-buffs. Some form of major/minor expedition added to one of their skills would be appreciated and their immobilizer should do a little damage.
#6. MagDen (Innate, Ysgramor, Domihaus) As you know- they've got a ton of immobilizers and stuns that annoy people. Their damage is lacking (but there's been a few builds lately that have shown potential). The only thing I'd like to see is that they get the old Arctic Blast back and perhaps make Feral Guardian viable in PVP.
Again- I'm sure everyone has their opinions of the "meta" for each class- but I'm sure some of you who play multiple classes can agree on some of my points.
Edited by Savos_Saren on June 19, 2019 3:47AM #1. MagSorc (Innate, Netch, Mighty Chudan) High burst and mobility. They're the "executioner" of group play. I will get the killing blow. I don't play with pets, though- so my self heals are lacking.
#2. MagBlade (Innate, War Maiden, Slimecraw) High damage and high group heals. It feels amazing to Lotus Fan into a group, burst with Soul Siphon, and then Sap away- all while adding heals to my party. The only thing I miss is the speed now that it's been taken away from Double Take.
#3. MagDK (Innate, Silks, Domihaus) Good damage with a lot of group utility. Though their heals are selfish- my DK adds snares, immobilizers, and fantastic synergizes to my party. I wish they had a better shield or small self purge.
#4. MagPlar (Soulshine, War Maiden, Mighty Chudan) Very good group heals/utility and good damage. My channeled abilities (Dark Flare, jabs, jesus beam, and soul assault hit like a mother). I wish that we had a functioning immobilizer and Dark Flare's cast time was moved to .5 seconds.
#5. MagNecro (Innate, Rattlecage, Valkyn Skoria) I absolutely love the synergies and group utility for these guys. My only complaint is that they're a little too "giving" and they don't really have some pretty major self-buffs. Some form of major/minor expedition added to one of their skills would be appreciated and their immobilizer should do a little damage.
#6. MagDen (Innate, Ysgramor, Domihaus) As you know- they've got a ton of immobilizers and stuns that annoy people. Their damage is lacking (but there's been a few builds lately that have shown potential). The only thing I'd like to see is that they get the old Arctic Blast back and perhaps make Feral Guardian viable in PVP.
Again- I'm sure everyone has their opinions of the "meta" for each class- but I'm sure some of you who play multiple classes can agree on some of my points.
Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Savos Saren
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LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wtih MagDen i feel that Ysgramor is lacking as there are few Frost skills and it doesnt affect Deep Fissure. What about Innate and Necropotence as Blue Betty procs it.Edited by LeHarrt91 on June 19, 2019 3:50AMPS NA
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✭✭✭Wtih MagDen i feel that Ysgramor is lacking as there are few Frost skills and it doesnt affect Deep Fissure. What about Innate and Necropotence as Blue Betty procs it.
@LeHarrt91
I'm actually considering Innate and Bright Throat since it should buff my ice and pets.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Wtih MagDen i feel that Ysgramor is lacking as there are few Frost skills and it doesnt affect Deep Fissure. What about Innate and Necropotence as Blue Betty procs it.
@LeHarrt91
I'm actually considering Innate and Bright Throat since it should buff my ice and pets.
with Bloody Mara drink too as it got a lovely buff. Sounds good.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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✭✭✭MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »OP, would you mind detailing your MagSorc build? I’m interested!
@MakeMeUhSamich
So, it's not too conventional to use Mighty Chudan, but with the changes to shields- I wanted to add health (adds scaling) and resistances (adds scaling) to my Sorc. I also wanted to free up some bar space to add in some extra pressure to my barrage of attacks.
I run Destro/Resto medium helm, heavy chest, and all the rest light armor. Two protective rings.
Front bar: Mage's Wrath, Shock Reach, Inner Light, Crystal Frags, Liquid Lightning (flex) Ultimate: Atro
Back bar: Empowered Ward, Haunting Curse, Healing Ward, Power Surge, Streak Ultimate: Suppression Field
As I said in the initial post- I'm often popping back and forth between soloing and running with my guildies. Usually, I'll try to tailor my "flex" spot depending on what we're doing. Liquid Lightning is for group synergy (normally taking a keep), or I swap it to Shattering Prison (when defending a keep) or Race Against Time when soloing.
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MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »OP, would you mind detailing your MagSorc build? I’m interested!
@MakeMeUhSamich
So, it's not too conventional to use Mighty Chudan, but with the changes to shields- I wanted to add health (adds scaling) and resistances (adds scaling) to my Sorc. I also wanted to free up some bar space to add in some extra pressure to my barrage of attacks.
I run Destro/Resto medium helm, heavy chest, and all the rest light armor. Two protective rings.
Front bar: Mage's Wrath, Shock Reach, Inner Light, Crystal Frags, Liquid Lightning (flex) Ultimate: Atro
Back bar: Empowered Ward, Haunting Curse, Healing Ward, Power Surge, Streak Ultimate: Suppression Field
As I said in the initial post- I'm often popping back and forth between soloing and running with my guildies. Usually, I'll try to tailor my "flex" spot depending on what we're doing. Liquid Lightning is for group synergy (normally taking a keep), or I swap it to Shattering Prison (when defending a keep) or Race Against Time when soloing.
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✭✭✭why are you using chudan on magplar? running channeled focus is infinitely better
@Apox
I'm one of those idiots who constantly swaps between ranged and melee. So, I never sit still long enough to get the secondary benefits (extra resistances) from staying in place. Plus, wearing Mighty Chudan allows me to run Structured Entropy and Race Against Time on my melee bar.
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✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Wtih MagDen i feel that Ysgramor is lacking as there are few Frost skills and it doesnt affect Deep Fissure. What about Innate and Necropotence as Blue Betty procs it.
@LeHarrt91
I'm actually considering Innate and Bright Throat since it should buff my ice and pets.
with Bloody Mara drink too as it got a lovely buff. Sounds good.
@LeHarrt91
Witchmother's Potent Brew, brother. If you don't have any- hit me up if you're PC/NA. I might have a spare recipe.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Wtih MagDen i feel that Ysgramor is lacking as there are few Frost skills and it doesnt affect Deep Fissure. What about Innate and Necropotence as Blue Betty procs it.
@LeHarrt91
I'm actually considering Innate and Bright Throat since it should buff my ice and pets.
with Bloody Mara drink too as it got a lovely buff. Sounds good.
@LeHarrt91
Witchmother's Potent Brew, brother. If you don't have any- hit me up if you're PC/NA. I might have a spare recipe.
But with Bright Throats and Wardens netch you should have good sustain and now Bloody Mara grants like 5800 max health and 5300 max magicka and procs BTB.PS NA
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Apox✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »why are you using chudan on magplar? running channeled focus is infinitely better
@Apox
I'm one of those idiots who constantly swaps between ranged and melee. So, I never sit still long enough to get the secondary benefits (extra resistances) from staying in place. Plus, wearing Mighty Chudan allows me to run Structured Entropy and Race Against Time on my melee bar.
nobody sits in their channeled focus. it provides the same resistances as chudans + gives you a lot of magicka recovery. plus doing this also lets you use a better monster set. i recommend bloodspawn for templar because theyre tanky enough even in noncp bgs to make use of its proc and get a ton of ult gen0 -
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✭Savos_Saren wrote: »why are you using chudan on magplar? running channeled focus is infinitely better
@Apox
I'm one of those idiots who constantly swaps between ranged and melee. So, I never sit still long enough to get the secondary benefits (extra resistances) from staying in place. Plus, wearing Mighty Chudan allows me to run Structured Entropy and Race Against Time on my melee bar.
nobody sits in their channeled focus. it provides the same resistances as chudans + gives you a lot of magicka recovery. plus doing this also lets you use a better monster set. i recommend bloodspawn for templar because theyre tanky enough even in noncp bgs to make use of its proc and get a ton of ult gen
And even if your mobile, if you walk back through it, doesnt it refresh the 50% bonus? but its cheap enough to recast often.PS NA
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✭✭why are you using chudan on magplar? running channeled focus is infinitely better
I don't know...Not having to worry about keeping a defensive buff up matters a lot to me, the extra skill slot makes it me find it worthwhile to run . I also only like predictable damage being done and taken, so I don't slot proc sets.
Edit: Maybe OP feels the sameEdited by Kadoin on June 21, 2019 1:58AM0 -
gamerguy757✭✭✭✭✭Magsorc is DEADLY. Whenever someone is hit with my curse, if they don’t dodge my Endless, it’s game over.
With shields, godley heals with Panacea, and insane mobility, I love it0
