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In class debuff for Sorcerer class?

universal_wrath
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Sorcer class lacks buff/debuff from its skill line unless if you use absudly stupid skills that are generally useless. I'm mainly talking about stamina sorcerer, since 3/15 skills in sorcerer skills are stamina skils. Streak while it's good, it cost a lot of magicka and usally not that good of you are not a ranger attacker. Rune cuge is purly a stun and it can be dodgeed. Major vitality is conceted to an expensive root and on last fot 2 secs. Is it hard to put aproper debuff like fracture/breach without using weapons skill lines?
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE, both for veterans and for newbies. Wise sorcs are simply sitting quiet to avoid combat team attention now.
  • Ixilith
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    Why do sorcs need buffs/debuffs. Just because some classes can doesn’t mean every class needs to.

    Sorc strength lays in its ability to 1v1 and output a lot of dps. Pumping the ability to utilise supportive capability and offer buffs and debuffs would outright make the class overpowered.

    Sorc would have to lose a lot from its current strengths to implement such a thing. And that could result in making yourself weaker .
    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE, both for veterans and for newbies. Wise sorcs are simply sitting quiet to avoid combat team attention now.

    No, stamina necromancer dominates the current pve meta. Due their debuffs being stackable and weaved to keep as close to 100% uptime as possible.

    Sorc is the 2nd strongest and not by a large margin compared to stamblade.

    In pvp it’s one of the strongest duellers, but one of the weakest in group pvp, as it offers no utility there’s no reason to ever have one in group pvp and while it’s burst is strong. Group pvp offers the combined utility to shut the sorc down.

    Sorc is a strong 1v1 class and in the top 3 pve classes. Which yes i agree it defiantly does not need buffing.

    Petsorc pvp wise could do with being removed though. That *** just absolute cancer.
    Edited by Ixilith on June 17, 2019 9:31AM
  • Vietfox
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    Yes please, add major fracture/breach, major vulnerability, major defile AND major maim to Curse. Then sorcs will be in a good and fair spot.
  • Ankael07
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Yes please, add major fracture/breach, major vulnerability, major defile AND major maim to Curse. Then sorcs will be in a good and fair spot.

    Yeah and when Curse explodes it should summon one daedric titan and one frost atronach permanently
    If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.
  • universal_wrath
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    Ankael07 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Yes please, add major fracture/breach, major vulnerability, major defile AND major maim to Curse. Then sorcs will be in a good and fair spot.

    Yeah and when Curse explodes it should summon one daedric titan and one frost atronach permanently

    I like that, I hope they do somethibg similar next dlc/chapter.
  • Maulkin
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    ..I'm mainly talking about stamina sorcerer...
    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE..

    Doesn't look like you read the OP's post very thoroughly mate or you intentionally side-stepped the point.

    Personally I don't feel that Stam Sorc necessarily needs debuffs on its skills or more buffs as a class. I think it actually plays well as is. It just needs more identity. My magsorc uses class skills or ults in 9/12 available slots. My stamsorc by comparison uses 4 (Streak, DD, Surge, Hurricane) only.

    I (admittedly a bit arbitrarily) feel that you need at least half your skills to come from the class itself to feel like you're playing that class. That's my take on it at least. And Stamsorc is the only one that doesn't make it. I pretty much have to have 6 class skills on all the other stam classes to build optimally. I can't find 6 on Stam Sorc.

    I think when they chose which skill to scale with stamina as well as magicka, they missed a trick by making Streak that skill. MagSorcs don't even use it for damage because of its high, stacking cost. Never mind StamSorcs. It should have been Twilight which would also unlock Expert Summoner passive for stam sorcs.

    - Overload complete rework into a useful offensive ult (think Take Flight, Incap, Permafrost, Pestilent Colossus)
    - Air Atronach morph
    - Twilight scaling
    - Crystal Blast conversion to a stamina burst skill

    ...some ways that they could add identity to stam sorc which are sorely needed and have been discussed ad nauseum.

    MagSorc is in an amazing spot, it needs nothing.
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  • rumple9
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    Any lightening damage gives minor vulnerability 8% debuff ...
  • InvictusApollo
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    You are forgeting about one of the best debuffs in this game: Silence from Negate. I wish other classes had it to counter ballgroups. Maybe it would make people spread on the battlefield and thus helped with lag.
  • Lord_Sando
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    Maulkin wrote: »
    ..I'm mainly talking about stamina sorcerer...
    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE..

    Doesn't look like you read the OP's post very thoroughly mate or you intentionally side-stepped the point.

    Personally I don't feel that Stam Sorc necessarily needs debuffs on its skills or more buffs as a class. I think it actually plays well as is. It just needs more identity. My magsorc uses class skills or ults in 9/12 available slots. My stamsorc by comparison uses 4 (Streak, DD, Surge, Hurricane) only.

    I (admittedly a bit arbitrarily) feel that you need at least half your skills to come from the class itself to feel like you're playing that class. That's my take on it at least. And Stamsorc is the only one that doesn't make it. I pretty much have to have 6 class skills on all the other stam classes to build optimally. I can't find 6 on Stam Sorc.

    I think when they chose which skill to scale with stamina as well as magicka, they missed a trick by making Streak that skill. MagSorcs don't even use it for damage because of its high, stacking cost. Never mind StamSorcs. It should have been Twilight which would also unlock Expert Summoner passive for stam sorcs.

    - Overload complete rework into a useful offensive ult (think Take Flight, Incap, Permafrost, Pestilent Colossus) Or just a psychical version of overload
    - Air Atronach morph
    - Twilight scaling
    - Crystal Blast conversion to a stamina burst skill

    ...some ways that they could add identity to stam sorc which are sorely needed and have been discussed ad nauseum.

    MagSorc is in an amazing spot, it needs nothing.

  • datgladiatah
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    Having a high minor vulnerability uptime due to using exclusively shock spells is a pretty nice benefit. But stamsorcs provide very little anything except high damage due to overtuned passives. They would benefit from team utility such as group buffs/debuffs or synergies

    People are asking for the air atro for a while. I don't see why they aren't trying to do it. A ton of boss mechanics use the atro, an enemy that just spins in an aoe and follows a target. I don't think that would be hard to add and it would a really interesting way to move the crappy aoe morph in for something new
    Edited by datgladiatah on June 18, 2019 12:09AM
  • universal_wrath
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    You are forgeting about one of the best debuffs in this game: Silence from Negate. I wish other classes had it to counter ballgroups. Maybe it would make people spread on the battlefield and thus helped with lag.

    Negate is veey strong, but only if you coordinate with your teammates, you basically bit it in pvp to allaw your teammates to *** everyone inside it it 2 secs or everyone will just walk out of it. Try to compare it wardens storm. While the warden storm do not silance, it has a garnteed stun, and must of the time get that stun because the ulti is moving with you. As for minor vunireability, only mag sorc can do it. Stam sorc can't afford to spam skills with lightening dmg as the cost magicka.
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    You are forgeting about one of the best debuffs in this game: Silence from Negate. I wish other classes had it to counter ballgroups. Maybe it would make people spread on the battlefield and thus helped with lag.

    I forgot to tell you about the part where negate only affect magicka builds, completely useless agaisnt stam build unless they rely on there ulti 100% to kill someone.
  • Zelos
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    Let's make curse apply major vulnerability, until the duration expires.
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Yes please, add major fracture/breach, major vulnerability, major defile AND major maim to Curse. Then sorcs will be in a good and fair spot.

    😂 Major mending and major valitity too
  • CambionDaemon
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    PET-sorc is about 4th in dps, non-pet just above MagDen.
  • SoLooney
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    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE, both for veterans and for newbies. Wise sorcs are simply sitting quiet to avoid combat team attention now.

    Dominate the pve scene? Lol, it's all about the necromancer, specifically stamina.

    Good groups are not bringing a sorc cept for specific purposes like interrupting in asylum sanctorium

    And magplars are better than them in pve
  • Ixilith
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    SoLooney wrote: »
    Magsorc is already best class both in PVP and in PVE, both for veterans and for newbies. Wise sorcs are simply sitting quiet to avoid combat team attention now.

    Dominate the pve scene? Lol, it's all about the necromancer, specifically stamina.

    Good groups are not bringing a sorc cept for specific purposes like interrupting in asylum sanctorium

    And magplars are better than them in pve

    Pretty much haha

    Stam sorc is second highest in dps though, so it’s not useless :D but yes majority of groups are sitting around getting Necros debuff up permanently

    Which means most organised raids are running 8x necromancer.

    Necro has basically replaced everyone :(
  • Ender1310
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    Pve or pvp? Because I use like three skills pve on the Stam NB as well. Templar warden and dk and of course Necro still feel like themselves on stamina pve. NB and sorc do not.
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