Heavy Bleed Build

Iskiab

I have a stamina Necro I like to pvp with, almost exclusively in BGs.

I’m about to wrap up all my guild skill lines and want to get more serious about gearing him out and want to try a bleed spec, any tips people can give me? I usually play magicka and am a bit lost when it comes to stam sets.

I’m about to finish dw, and am max bow, S&B and 2 hander.

Here’s some specs I’ve been considering:

Plague doctor plus savage werewolf, Pirate skeleton. 5m-2h. 2h, bow

Shacklebreaker plus savage werewolf, pirate skeleton. 5h-2m or 5m-2h. 2h/bow

Plague doctor/Pillar of nirn/Blood Spawn. 5h-2m. 2h/S&B

Plague doctor/marksman crest/DSA 2h front bar/Blood Spawn - 2h/bow - 5h-2m

Plague doctor/Ravager or 7th legion/Blood Spawn. 2h-bow. 5h-2m

Here are my questions:

1. Am I right that the only real bleed sets are pillar of nirn, werewolf and sloads? The rest look like dots but not bleeds?
2. Which ones have you had the most success with? Pillar of nirn looks like too small of an area to be useful
3. Do max stats effect the size of proc’s at all? I usually shy away from proc sets

In case you can’t tell, I like well rounded tanky builds, but I want to be able to kill stuff as well. I also find myself dipping a lot into Necro utility abilities in my playstyle.

rumple9

Deadly set, VMA battleaxe

Asmael

Don't use the Savage Werewolf set, even thought it does bleed damage, literally any other DoT spec will outperform it, even against heavily armored targets (e.g: Viper).

Pillar of Nirn does decent bleed damage, but the issue is that it is essentially useless unless you can guarantee that your target will be immobilized when it lands. Only 2.5m with a 1s delay means it takes literally one step to get away.

Sload is not technically a bleed set but an Oblivion damage set (which is actually better).

if you want to play a bleed spec, I'd recommend focusing on using dual wield with 2 axes, use Master axes (+1350 bleed damage on every tick of Rending slashes) with a 2h backbar with Carve.

Do note that the damage from sets doesn't scale with anything but global damage multipliers, e.g: Champion points or sets such as Blood drinker or Deadly Strike and effects such as Minor berzerk. You can further increase damage on your target if you get access to Minor vulnerability.

If I had to try a very aggressive setup, I'd go with Master axes on the DW bar, Trappings of Invigoration backbar, Deadly strike on the body and then a flexible monster set (thought Blood spawn is a good overall set).

oXI_Viper_IXo

rumple9 wrote: »

Deadly set, VMA battleaxe

Deadly yes, VMA battleaxe doesn't do bleed damage. Blooddrinker is the set you want.

Iskiab

@Asmael

Thanks! As a Necro/melee I really hate being kited. That why I was considering a bow back bar for poison injection. Usually when people see a bow they assume a bowtard and charge.

So DW master axes front, bow completing 5 marksman crest back, 5 plague, 2 pirate skeleton might work well?

Carve I’ve been using but... keeps missing which ticks me off.

Iskiab

@oXI_Viper_IXo
I was steering away from blood drinker because Necro already has a dot passive so was thinking more dots would be better.

If I used blood drinker I’d need to use stam recovery enchants for sustain. Would that still work well? DW master axes, 5 blood drinker with rending and poison injection?

Lokey0024

The cleanse abilities in this game are kind of ridiculous. To many counters to a straight bleed build imo.

Iskiab

Lokey0024 wrote: »

The cleanse abilities in this game are kind of ridiculous. To many counters to a straight bleed build imo.

Never considered cleanses. For Templars 4K cost to self cleanse is pretty high, for Necros it’s moreso a GCD loss and a bit of health.

About axes, ESOwiki says an 8% chance to add a 1k dot over 6 seconds. What am I missing? Maces look infinitely better.

Lokey0024

In group play the purify syn. kinda meh the bleed builds, curse eater wyrd tree sets, not to mention NB cloaking till they drop.

Fast and heavy hitting is better imo but building for a bleed set up could be fun, just don't get frustrated when you are watching the healthbar barely getting touched from shields/heal over time pots/cleanse being a direct counter.

Iskiab

So something like this? Resistances look low for pvp to me. Skills haven’t decided.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=148954

Think 5 heavy, 2m, tri stat food and recovery glyphs would be better?

Chrlynsch

Savage werewolf is really only effective on a werewolf spaming light attacks.

wheem_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

About axes, ESOwiki says an 8% chance to add a 1k dot over 6 seconds. What am I missing? Maces look infinitely better.

It's not super rare to see proc'd bleeds ticking for ~2k in no-CP. Axes have been to go-to melee weapon for most BG builds for a long time now, even if not explicitly aiming for a "bleed build" per se.

NinchiTV

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/ninchitv/video/76038427 So this is a dot build, deadly/bonepirate/trollking and i found that its devastating to less experience and they freak out about the dots and found it unsuccessful against veteran players, they heal through the dots. If you really want to get the most out of a DOT build i think you'll need a set that gives minor or major defile. (which i admittedly overlooked in this build)

killimandrosb16_ESO

I tested a lot of different sets to find a good bleed build; Blooddrinker, pillar of nirn, deadly strike. Blooddrinker works best in PvE, although its the best of the pure blood dot sets available. I found for PvP master axe+dagger is a very good combo, with 2h axe. Why? Because carve and rending overlaps, so you first get the dot from carve, into rending slashes plus the bleed dot from axe on main and off bar. Dagger I prefer for the crits, but I guess thats optional. The armour of my preference, which PERSONALLY fits me the most, was veiled heritance+7th legion.

Qbiken

Werewolf after Elsweyr changes.......

killimandrosb16_ESO

Qbiken wrote: »

Werewolf after Elsweyr changes.......

actually I was watching dark shady the other day, on his WW build. He never relied on the light attakcs to reapply bleeds, and hes crazy effective on his ww

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

The cleanse abilities in this game are kind of ridiculous. To many counters to a straight bleed build imo.

Never considered cleanses. For Templars 4K cost to self cleanse is pretty high, for Necros it’s moreso a GCD loss and a bit of health.

About axes, ESOwiki says an 8% chance to add a 1k dot over 6 seconds. What am I missing? Maces look infinitely better.

well first off, eso wiki is garbage, that is what you are missing and second is that that dot from axes is scalable, i have seen as much as 10k over 6 seconds, with a modest 33k stam and 4k weapon damage. and you get 8% per axe, so 16% with 2, on all weapon skill usage/light and heavys.

maces can be great but do you understand how the percentage bade armor pen works?

Iskiab

I was looking at lots of builds and settled on the one I linked, not really a bleed build anymore I guess.

Think it’d work well or suck?

Iskiab

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

The cleanse abilities in this game are kind of ridiculous. To many counters to a straight bleed build imo.

Never considered cleanses. For Templars 4K cost to self cleanse is pretty high, for Necros it’s moreso a GCD loss and a bit of health.

About axes, ESOwiki says an 8% chance to add a 1k dot over 6 seconds. What am I missing? Maces look infinitely better.

well first off, eso wiki is garbage, that is what you are missing and second is that that dot from axes is scalable, i have seen as much as 10k over 6 seconds, with a modest 33k stam and 4k weapon damage. and you get 8% per axe, so 16% with 2, on all weapon skill usage/light and heavys.

maces can be great but do you understand how the percentage bade armor pen works?

Yup, the order of operations is: named debuffs - then % debuffs - then unnamed

So like if you had a sharpened maul and major fracture it would go:

Fracture deducted first, then 20% of remaining total, then deduction for sharpened

Lokey0024

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/ninchitv/video/76038427 So this is a dot build, deadly/bonepirate/trollking and i found that its devastating to less experience and they freak out about the dots and found it unsuccessful against veteran players, they heal through the dots. If you really want to get the most out of a DOT build i think you'll need a set that gives minor or major defile. (which i admittedly overlooked in this build)

Sadly tried the major/minor set up and it still did squat. Rally/passive regent/vigor and regent pots, even with me running cyridiils ward and affliction was outdone by most builds

rumple9

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

Deadly set, VMA battleaxe

Deadly yes, VMA battleaxe doesn't do bleed damage. Blooddrinker is the set you want.

VMA battleaxe adds additional 6000 dot damage to critical rush (gap closer) over 5 seconds and being an axe gains 8% chance to do 6066 bleed over 6 seconds from the Heavy Weapons passive skill

So VMA battleaxe has a chance to do 2011 dot damage per second which is boosted by 14% by the deadly set (so 2292 damage per second).

For added effect use a disease or poison glyph on the weapon for added dots or a shock glyph for minor vulnerability 8% extra damage

Grimlok_S

Maces won't buff your bleed damage, if that's the goal. For Master DW go 1 axe 1 dagger, or sword offhand worst case.

I've been having decent success with Deadly body + veiled heritance 2h bar w/ slimecraw( 5 medium), but it ends up feeling really weak to ranged pressure.

I'm thinking of subbing in Legion body and switching around to deadly dw w/ masters 2h backbarred instead.

Raudgrani

Interested in this too. I think I have most things that could work. Not the deadly strike set, but that's pretty easy to fix of course.

Blooddrinker, full armor set, 3 golden jewelry, 2 x daggers + battle axe
VMA Dual Wield, 2 axes.
Stinging Slashes (Master's Weapons), unfortunately no axes.
Titanic Cleave (Master Weapon)

And yeah, some set of gold Automaton jewelry, gold Auto armor, Slimecraw set in various weights.

What's the best combination and so on? You wouldn't "waste" much points into penetration, but rather Thaumaturge and Mighty, right? I doubt it fits my playstyle, but it could be fun to try.

Raudgrani

rumple9 wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

Deadly set, VMA battleaxe

Deadly yes, VMA battleaxe doesn't do bleed damage. Blooddrinker is the set you want.

VMA battleaxe adds additional 6000 dot damage to critical rush (gap closer) over 5 seconds and being an axe gains 8% chance to do 6066 bleed over 6 seconds from the Heavy Weapons passive skill

So VMA battleaxe has a chance to do 2011 dot damage per second which is boosted by 14% by the deadly set (so 2292 damage per second).

For added effect use a disease or poison glyph on the weapon for added dots or a shock glyph for minor vulnerability 8% extra damage

Maybe not for a bleed build, but VMA axe is still underrated now. I used it for Critrush backbar (gap closer) some while ago. Had double DOT poison slotted, and it seems that poison proc, "VMA ticks" and bleed proc'ed altogether pretty damn often. Feels I just Ransac'ed and Reverb bashed most ordinary players to death after that, and they were dead. Well, maybe not literally, but most people went down pretty fast. Maybe a burst of jabs at that.

Noobslayer3255

Mechanical acuity is ridiculously effective on bleed builds especially in no CP environments (missing 9% base crit so your crit chance is garbage in heavy).

I've had a lot of success on my stamsorc with troll king, automaton, 3x acuity, master DW, 2h acuity back bar. 5 heavy 2 medium. When acuity procs and your blood craze bleed, carve bleed, DW axe bleed, 2h axe bleed, double DoT poisons, and hurricane are all suddenly critting with every tick the damage is very overwhelming. Throw in a dawnbreaker when your acuity procs too.


I also ran slimecraw, deadly, bloodddrinker, master dw on my stam necro. The tooltips on your bleeds are ludicrous with this setup, but it forces you to run medium which is great for crit chance and weapon damage but not so much for your survivability. A couple of protective pieces would take care of that though.

I've also ran sloads instead of automaton on the above mentioned stamsorc, which is great if you're going for a pure dot build, but the extra damage from auto is better imo for harder hitting whirling blades and dawnbreaker

Edit : charged offhand with a disease enchant is amazing. Nirn on your main hand and 2h.