Protective Plate / Mag DKs

ol_BANK_lo

I looked around but didn't see a recent discussion on this topic. I am on console, so just now getting a chance to play with this skill. I have spent a fair amount of time on Mag DK in PvE and PvP, and wanted to try it out before commenting. In short, I don't think the changes work. I also don't understand how after 5 years and a buff, ZOS changed it to this...but I have seen lots of threads of ranged builds complaining. But here's the thing...everyone complains. So I am hoping to hear from people on this thread who legitimately play Mag DK and other ranged classes for feedback.

Here is my basic assessment of some of the mag classes. Mag Sorcs shield and streak away when pressured. Magblades cloak out when pressured. Templars purge my DoTs. Mag Dks by design sort of just have to tank the damage. They aren't mobile; can't cloak; can't purge without expensive skill line. Wings were their thing to sit in the fight and tank. I have played light and heavy armor Mag Dks. I have tried to stick with light lately for the extra damage. But I can tell you after playing recently, that is much harder to do now.

People who have ranged attacks feel they are entitled to hit you with everyone of their attacks. I can't hit a streaking Mag Sorc with most of my attacks as I am completely melee. I can't hit a cloaking Magblade if I can't see them. Templars purge most of damage. So no, you are not entitled to hit me with every one of your attacks. But as Mag DK, I now have to take everyones' damage as I am also not mobile.

I am not a "nerf this/nerf that" kind of person. I hate most of those threads, including the ones that got us here. But I would like to here from people who play Mag DK and ranged builds. Thoughts?

Malmai

Buff DK they are on wheelchair right now...

ol_BANK_lo

Malmai wrote: »

Buff DK they are on wheelchair right now...

Haha, I like your tagline.

CaliMade

The wings change was a big nerf, thay didnt need to do that, This is Coming from personwho has been playing almost exclusively Mag Sorc the last few patches

D3N7157

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

most say it makes a dk overpowered but what they dont take in to terms is that in pvp nowadays u have 20+ on 1 the wings would reflect bk 4 things u may get 3 wings of before u dead, this was a huge

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

so streak and cloaking is still ok in 1v1 its the same thing

MizoreReyes

Malmai wrote: »

Buff DK they are on wheelchair right now...

As funny as it sounds I find this pretty true lol. I made myself tanky because I couldn't catch these runners and since my spell damage does nothing to mages which realistically makes sense. We're still in a fine position but they just gotta stop nerfing us.

Vermethys

I'm playing around with Dragon Fire Scale and Race Against Time for mobility right now -- it's not too bad. Activate Wings, Harness Magicka, RAT, and sprint away to LoS when pressured

Works fine in BGs.

D3N7157

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

so streak and cloaking is still ok in 1v1 its the same thing

Do you get stunned with your own flame reach that does 5k damage and hit with your own frag that sometimes would hit you for 8-10k afterwards, if the other sorc you are fighting is using streak, or nb is cloaking?

You have to be aware you cant compare these skills, old wings we OP, cyro is a better place now, magDK need to stop whining and L2P like sorcs had to adapt to shield changes frag losing stun etc

zParallaxz

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

I looked around but didn't see a recent discussion on this topic. I am on console, so just now getting a chance to play with this skill. I have spent a fair amount of time on Mag DK in PvE and PvP, and wanted to try it out before commenting. In short, I don't think the changes work. I also don't understand how after 5 years and a buff, ZOS changed it to this...but I have seen lots of threads of ranged builds complaining. But here's the thing...everyone complains. So I am hoping to hear from people on this thread who legitimately play Mag DK and other ranged classes for feedback.

Here is my basic assessment of some of the mag classes. Mag Sorcs shield and streak away when pressured. Magblades cloak out when pressured. Templars purge my DoTs. Mag Dks by design sort of just have to tank the damage. They aren't mobile; can't cloak; can't purge without expensive skill line. Wings were their thing to sit in the fight and tank. I have played light and heavy armor Mag Dks. I have tried to stick with light lately for the extra damage. But I can tell you after playing recently, that is much harder to do now.

People who have ranged attacks feel they are entitled to hit you with everyone of their attacks. I can't hit a streaking Mag Sorc with most of my attacks as I am completely melee. I can't hit a cloaking Magblade if I can't see them. Templars purge most of damage. So no, you are not entitled to hit me with every one of your attacks. But as Mag DK, I now have to take everyones' damage as I am also not mobile.

I am not a "nerf this/nerf that" kind of person. I hate most of those threads, including the ones that got us here. But I would like to here from people who play Mag DK and ranged builds. Thoughts?

Every thing you said sums up what I think too, why should range characters have little to no drawbacks or counters to being ranged?

Sleep724

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

D3N7157

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

D3N7157 wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

so streak and cloaking is still ok in 1v1 its the same thing

Do you get stunned with your own flame reach that does 5k damage and hit with your own frag that sometimes would hit you for 8-10k afterwards, if the other sorc you are fighting is using streak, or nb is cloaking?

You have to be aware you cant compare these skills, old wings we OP, cyro is a better place now, magDK need to stop whining and L2P like sorcs had to adapt to shield changes frag losing stun etc

lol l2p i bet thats ur answer for everything, i play pvp all the time, so please dont try and teach ur grama how to suck eggs

JumpmanLane

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

I looked around but didn't see a recent discussion on this topic. I am on console, so just now getting a chance to play with this skill. I have spent a fair amount of time on Mag DK in PvE and PvP, and wanted to try it out before commenting. In short, I don't think the changes work. I also don't understand how after 5 years and a buff, ZOS changed it to this...but I have seen lots of threads of ranged builds complaining. But here's the thing...everyone complains. So I am hoping to hear from people on this thread who legitimately play Mag DK and other ranged classes for feedback.

Here is my basic assessment of some of the mag classes. Mag Sorcs shield and streak away when pressured. Magblades cloak out when pressured. Templars purge my DoTs. Mag Dks by design sort of just have to tank the damage. They aren't mobile; can't cloak; can't purge without expensive skill line. Wings were their thing to sit in the fight and tank. I have played light and heavy armor Mag Dks. I have tried to stick with light lately for the extra damage. But I can tell you after playing recently, that is much harder to do now.

People who have ranged attacks feel they are entitled to hit you with everyone of their attacks. I can't hit a streaking Mag Sorc with most of my attacks as I am completely melee. I can't hit a cloaking Magblade if I can't see them. Templars purge most of damage. So no, you are not entitled to hit me with every one of your attacks. But as Mag DK, I now have to take everyones' damage as I am also not mobile.

I am not a "nerf this/nerf that" kind of person. I hate most of those threads, including the ones that got us here. But I would like to here from people who play Mag DK and ranged builds. Thoughts?

Dude it’s a buff. THIS patch SnB wings is like 90% mitigation on ALL PROJECTILES as opposed to 100% on 4.

Run Frost staff. To spread around the block cost. Run light armor. Volatile armor for cloak blades. I’ve noticed Mag sorcs and NBs even think they can brawl this patch because they’re not eating their own bowtard damage. They can’t.

This patch wings/ SnB. Trust me. 50 % mitigation on projectiles from wing, 50% mitigation from blocking, 20% damage reduction from using a SnB, another 15% mitigation from blocking projectiles with an SnB lol. It’s multiplicative so it’s like 91% damage reduction on MY MagDk. Thanks for the buff.

Run speed pots stamina immovables for expedition. 1v1 mop them fools. 1vX kite and fight. I’m loving MagDk this patch.

I ain’t giving out builds but give crafty afliq a go. Lotta DAMAGE. and resources, particularly if you’re also running a Frost staff. Slot Undo for the minor protection. Get tanky on these fools. And block lol. Ramp up the damage and ghost these fools.

DreadDaedroth

They made an iconic skill so plain and boring, who cares if it's a buff?
Now people can pew pew without any consequences while nbs and sorcs run away like chickes.

Sleep724

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

D3N7157

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

DreadDaedroth

D3N7157 wrote: »

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

For unicity otherwise it'd be pretty flat, plus reflect worked on Dk vs Dk too.

Vildebill

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

D3N7157

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

just read whai i wrote in the quote i bolded out force pulse and cage in this patch for open world are you serious dude, i have 13 chars across all alliances, magsorc just happens to be my main and favourite so dont hit me with that BS

Vildebill

D3N7157 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

just read whai i wrote in the quote i bolded out force pulse and cage in this patch for open world are you serious dude, i have 13 chars across all alliances, magsorc just happens to be my main and favourite so dont hit me with that BS

No I can't hear you open world since you streaked away so far and bombing me with projectiles, too bad I'm not ranged and can counter.

The only sorcs that complained about old wings was the bad and spoilt ones that couldn't counter it. How can you even be a sorc and talk about open world problems? Best mobile toolkit in a class...

D3N7157

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

just read whai i wrote in the quote i bolded out force pulse and cage in this patch for open world are you serious dude, i have 13 chars across all alliances, magsorc just happens to be my main and favourite so dont hit me with that BS

No I can't hear you open world since you streaked away so far and bombing me with projectiles, too bad I'm not ranged and can counter.

The only sorcs that complained about old wings was the bad and spoilt ones that couldn't counter it. How can you even be a sorc and talk about open world problems? Best mobile toolkit in a class...

You speak like magsorc was some immortal demigod being dedicated to eradicating you precious magdk completely from cyro, show me where that sorc hurt you pls. Most good sorcs play with pet at the moment tell me how do i have space in my open world toolkit for execute force pulse and curse ONLY to deal with one class out of 6 that we have in game currently, in my opinion it doesnt make any sense and should not be justifed, and its not only magsorc, lets not forget fully ranged magnb which are almost extinct right now, swallow soul is reflectable, spectral bow reflectable too... Rally healthy gameplay indeed, but nerf has been done 80% cyro is happy and magdk will be crying nothing to be done about this

BTW as i've mentioned before you might be really shocked that you actaully have a gapcloser with more range than streak and without cost increase on it! So you can chase down all the bad bad sorcerers WOW!

Oliwaltony

I've seen instances of BG chaosball where 2 full team were magicka users that used range attack, while in the 3rd team there was a dk only spamming the wings while having the ball. Since all players from other teams were ranged, it made it impossible to even reach the guy. It was really unhealthy gameplay, when 8 person are attacking a single one and he can just spam the wings without running out of juice and return everything in the face of others. They were too cheap for what they were doing. Using it to tank projectiles seems fine. Using it to tank 100% projectile when you spam it and on top return them to sender was plain OP and we were only seeing that in pvp. You could'nt go 2 meters without seeing a DK winging himself. You looked at him wrong? Wing. It was so used because how broken it was that it became unhealthy. They could have reduced the ammount of projectiles reflected or changing it. They changed it and now its a buff, so stop complaining ahha. Seriously how can you not like the new wings, they are better than before, they just dont let you be a troll that return projectile anymore, get over it.

Vildebill

D3N7157 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

just read whai i wrote in the quote i bolded out force pulse and cage in this patch for open world are you serious dude, i have 13 chars across all alliances, magsorc just happens to be my main and favourite so dont hit me with that BS

No I can't hear you open world since you streaked away so far and bombing me with projectiles, too bad I'm not ranged and can counter.

The only sorcs that complained about old wings was the bad and spoilt ones that couldn't counter it. How can you even be a sorc and talk about open world problems? Best mobile toolkit in a class...

You speak like magsorc was some immortal demigod being dedicated to eradicating you precious magdk completely from cyro, show me where that sorc hurt you pls. Most good sorcs play with pet at the moment tell me how do i have space in my open world toolkit for execute force pulse and curse ONLY to deal with one class out of 6 that we have in game currently, in my opinion it doesnt make any sense and should not be justifed, and its not only magsorc, lets not forget fully ranged magnb which are almost extinct right now, swallow soul is reflectable, spectral bow reflectable too... Rally healthy gameplay indeed, but nerf has been done 80% cyro is happy and magdk will be crying nothing to be done about this

BTW as i've mentioned before you might be really shocked that you actaully have a gapcloser with more range than streak and without cost increase on it! So you can chase down all the bad bad sorcerers WOW!

Haha yeah you know what, I don't have a problem with how most mechanic works nowadays, that's why I don't come to the forums to complain. The only problem I have is with people that can't handle that they're not equally good as other players, and must bash down on other classes's abilities.

I've played PvP on most setups in the game. There's a counter for almost everything on most classes. But no class has everything. It comes down to personal taste, and most of all, skill. I have been wrecked, thrown around and outskilled umpteen times in PvP. And it's not because a MagDK reflected all my flame reaches when I was on my sorc, not either that the snipe spamming Legolas NB got me from far, it wasn't that frost stunning Mag Warden froze me to the ground either. It was because I was unable to counter at the time, and that's in 99% of the cases because I lack the PvP skill needed to counter.

But as I said, I don't come here to cry. I adapt and improve. Unlike you.

CambionDaemon

I love how every thread about classes turns into a 'Sorc Hate' thread.

People need to stop with the whole Sorc mobility class BS, streak is buggy/costs to much and has a terrible range (ANY gap closer has three time the range). Cloak gives you mobility (end of).

Wings were over performing, but this change might be a little to much. I hated my attacks coming back at me, but I quite liked the challenge of trying to beat DK's who were spamming wings.

ol_BANK_lo

Oliwaltony wrote: »

I've seen instances of BG chaosball where 2 full team were magicka users that used range attack, while in the 3rd team there was a dk only spamming the wings while having the ball. Since all players from other teams were ranged, it made it impossible to even reach the guy. It was really unhealthy gameplay, when 8 person are attacking a single one and he can just spam the wings without running out of juice and return everything in the face of others. They were too cheap for what they were doing. Using it to tank projectiles seems fine. Using it to tank 100% projectile when you spam it and on top return them to sender was plain OP and we were only seeing that in pvp. You could'nt go 2 meters without seeing a DK winging himself. You looked at him wrong? Wing. It was so used because how broken it was that it became unhealthy. They could have reduced the ammount of projectiles reflected or changing it. They changed it and now its a buff, so stop complaining ahha. Seriously how can you not like the new wings, they are better than before, they just dont let you be a troll that return projectile anymore, get over it.

There is no way there were 8 ranged attackers on one DK and they couldn't do anything. Force Pulse, Curse, Rune Cage, Mages Wrath, Twilight, Ulti (meteor or Atro) all still work. All you miss is flame clench spamming and frags. One good sorc can still do well 1v1...so even 8 bad ones will still kill that DK. Sorcs act as if they have nothing to do with wings up...at least bad ones anyway.

As I stated before, DKs are immobile. Sorcs will range all of their attacks and streak as soon the slow little DK runs up to him to do damage. And no, against someone else who said it in here, running chains to chase down one class doesn't make sense. It's a wasted skill for everyone else.

Wings weren't a fix it all skill; it was a skill to take all that damage because you were slow and immobile. And my point wasn't about chains to chase people specifically, but how to mitigate damage because you can't streak or cloak or purge (as a class skill). 50% is better than 30% (Major Protection), but it's only projectiles. Although this isn't about sorcs, sorcs can now do everything they did before plus hit frags and clench and still streak when pressured (even inside of Fossilize which makes no sense).

D3N7157

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

D3N7157 wrote: »

Magdk is where it should have been - at the bottom of the food chain, we dont need this *** reflect mechanic as ZOS offcials said it has promoted unhealthy gameplay in 1v1 situations, many other classes has lived through severe nerfs to their identity making abilities, and they got over it, you can get over it as well
Best regards a streaking magsorc

Edit: also you are aware that you have a gap closer in the other morph of chains available in your toolkit right?
gapclose fossilize whip whip whip, i dont believe its so bad

MagSorcs gonna MagSorc.

Sounds like you weren’t able to L2P when a DKs wings were up but Zos took care of that for you. How convenient.

You well know how unfair it was 1v1 for an open world setup magsorc so dont be silly

But being able to burn down anyone from max range in seconds with a PRE-APPLIED execute while being able to LOS in your own pets if you’re using them and shield stack in execute range if you make a bad decision and streak away while stunning your opponent is fair amirite?

Reflect on wings actually made someone trying to pew pew you to death think about what they’re doing and adjust instead of just allowing them to spam their abilities at someone like they are some pve boss.

Tell me why do you think magdk should be the only class entitled to completely shut down someone with ranged playstyle?
Give reflect abilities to every class i agree then

Have you heard of force pulse? Curse? Lightning HA? Mages wrath? The best sorcs didn't give a flying duck about old scales, they used non-reflectable abilities and was effective. Since 2014

But thanks for the chance, with SnB, undo an new scales we can tank all your projectile damage instead.

just read whai i wrote in the quote i bolded out force pulse and cage in this patch for open world are you serious dude, i have 13 chars across all alliances, magsorc just happens to be my main and favourite so dont hit me with that BS

No I can't hear you open world since you streaked away so far and bombing me with projectiles, too bad I'm not ranged and can counter.

The only sorcs that complained about old wings was the bad and spoilt ones that couldn't counter it. How can you even be a sorc and talk about open world problems? Best mobile toolkit in a class...

You speak like magsorc was some immortal demigod being dedicated to eradicating you precious magdk completely from cyro, show me where that sorc hurt you pls. Most good sorcs play with pet at the moment tell me how do i have space in my open world toolkit for execute force pulse and curse ONLY to deal with one class out of 6 that we have in game currently, in my opinion it doesnt make any sense and should not be justifed, and its not only magsorc, lets not forget fully ranged magnb which are almost extinct right now, swallow soul is reflectable, spectral bow reflectable too... Rally healthy gameplay indeed, but nerf has been done 80% cyro is happy and magdk will be crying nothing to be done about this

BTW as i've mentioned before you might be really shocked that you actaully have a gapcloser with more range than streak and without cost increase on it! So you can chase down all the bad bad sorcerers WOW!

Haha yeah you know what, I don't have a problem with how most mechanic works nowadays, that's why I don't come to the forums to complain. The only problem I have is with people that can't handle that they're not equally good as other players, and must bash down on other classes's abilities.

I've played PvP on most setups in the game. There's a counter for almost everything on most classes. But no class has everything. It comes down to personal taste, and most of all, skill. I have been wrecked, thrown around and outskilled umpteen times in PvP. And it's not because a MagDK reflected all my flame reaches when I was on my sorc, not either that the snipe spamming Legolas NB got me from far, it wasn't that frost stunning Mag Warden froze me to the ground either. It was because I was unable to counter at the time, and that's in 99% of the cases because I lack the PvP skill needed to counter.

But as I said, I don't come here to cry. I adapt and improve. Unlike you.

Imagine thinking i dont adapt and improve if i went from 7x well fitted magsorc with 3 shields and 10k armor to playing a 25k armor tank with a pet, WAKE UP MAN

ol_BANK_lo

I'm gonna say it again, this needs looking at. How do you go from buffing this skill to completely changing it (and nerfing by most peoples' standards)?

Against all of the most common classes in PvP, it just isn't even. Regardless of what mag sorcs are saying, I keep running into ones that can streak for days when pressured and not take damage. Magblades can both cloak and put up an image to jump to when pressured...and take no damage. Magplars can purge ALL dots - brutal for fighting as MagDK. And of course all stam are much quicker.

Having wings that reflect and allow to take no damage of certain types of damage from a class that just sits there and tanks it seems fair. Trying to play light armor with taking everything thrown at you is very difficult. I feel like I have to go back to heavy, which I don't want to do....

Oh, and thanks for re-nerfing MagDK right after you just finally gave a buff to make it usable. smh...as if it was OP like all the meta builds running around.

JumpmanLane

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

I'm gonna say it again, this needs looking at. How do you go from buffing this skill to completely changing it (and nerfing by most peoples' standards)?

Against all of the most common classes in PvP, it just isn't even. Regardless of what mag sorcs are saying, I keep running into ones that can streak for days when pressured and not take damage. Magblades can both cloak and put up an image to jump to when pressured...and take no damage. Magplars can purge ALL dots - brutal for fighting as MagDK. And of course all stam are much quicker.

Having wings that reflect and allow to take no damage of certain types of damage from a class that just sits there and tanks it seems fair. Trying to play light armor with taking everything thrown at you is very difficult. I feel like I have to go back to heavy, which I don't want to do....

Oh, and thanks for re-nerfing MagDK right after you just finally gave a buff to make it usable. smh...as if it was OP like all the meta builds running around.

What dev plays MagDk at a high level? Or ANY class? They don’t get it...

ol_BANK_lo

JumpmanLane wrote: »

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

I'm gonna say it again, this needs looking at. How do you go from buffing this skill to completely changing it (and nerfing by most peoples' standards)?

Against all of the most common classes in PvP, it just isn't even. Regardless of what mag sorcs are saying, I keep running into ones that can streak for days when pressured and not take damage. Magblades can both cloak and put up an image to jump to when pressured...and take no damage. Magplars can purge ALL dots - brutal for fighting as MagDK. And of course all stam are much quicker.

Having wings that reflect and allow to take no damage of certain types of damage from a class that just sits there and tanks it seems fair. Trying to play light armor with taking everything thrown at you is very difficult. I feel like I have to go back to heavy, which I don't want to do....

Oh, and thanks for re-nerfing MagDK right after you just finally gave a buff to make it usable. smh...as if it was OP like all the meta builds running around.

What dev plays MagDk at a high level? Or ANY class? They don’t get it...

I don't think any of them do or can