Solid setup for bombing?

vonknobby

What is a solid setup for a Mag bomber, in a group setting? Regarding everything: Class, Race, Gear.

I've only played stamina in PvP (outside of my healer). Just trying to learn what is working well.

Thanks for any input.

idk

Magika for starters. NB, Race idc since they are pretty balanced. Gear is vicious death and whatever else has high damage. Grothdar is probably best set for this.

Skills Proximity Det, impale, Sap Essence, Cloak, and Soul Tether for ult. I used a spell damage potion just before getting this started for obvious reasons.

Not sure if I have left anything out, but not in game to double check. That is a good start regardless.

Lagz

if you're playing in a group i'd use Clever Alch/VD no group Spinner's/VD with Balorgh as helm if possible if not then Grothdar

idk

Lagz wrote: »

if you're playing in a group i'd use Clever Alch/VD no group Spinner's/VD with Balorgh as helm if possible if not then Grothdar

Balorgh would be good of you used the ult before Prox Det went off. Otherwise all that added damage comes to late IMO. Clever Alch is only useful if in combat, which is why Lagz says if you are in a group, but they have to be close enough and in combat for it to be useful. If they are not putting you into combat it is not useful for a bomber.

darkblue5

You might need to see if you can get Camouflaged Hunter on your front bar for Minor Berserk. Doing so is very awkward but there isn't another great place for it. If you don't run Balorgh then you could run Slimecraw...

vonknobby

idk wrote: »

Magika for starters. NB, Race idc since they are pretty balanced. Gear is vicious death and whatever else has high damage. Grothdar is probably best set for this.

Skills Proximity Det, impale, Sap Essence, Cloak, and Soul Tether for ult. I used a spell damage potion just before getting this started for obvious reasons.

Not sure if I have left anything out, but not in game to double check. That is a good start regardless.

Nice! Thanks for the info. I assume this what I see the guys who show up out of no where and kill half a raid, run? lol

vonknobby

darkblue5 wrote: »

You might need to see if you can get Camouflaged Hunter on your front bar for Minor Berserk. Doing so is very awkward but there isn't another great place for it. If you don't run Balorgh then you could run Slimecraw...

I have been wanting to try slime. Have you messed with it?

OlumoGarbag

Stamina necro is the best bombblade atm

HEBREWHAMMERRR

darkblue5 wrote: »

You might need to see if you can get Camouflaged Hunter on your front bar for Minor Berserk. Doing so is very awkward but there isn't another great place for it. If you don't run Balorgh then you could run Slimecraw...

Definitely. I wouldn’t suppose it would be too awkward on magblade just hit your buffs up, proxy, stealth for guaranteed crit and crouch then go in with a lotus when proxy is going to hit, tether, start spamming your saps. I’m going to try out bombing tonight for first time since my emp run 2 years ago, sounds fun after I burnt myself out on it in thieves guild lol

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Also, don’t forget you have access to Major berserk through reaping mark. Free to cast now just make sure you find the squishiest target, if he dies and you’ve got a set like grothdaar on that major + minor with sap spam just may proc some extra VDs after your initial burst.

vonknobby

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Also, don’t forget you have access to Major berserk through reaping mark. Free to cast now just make sure you find the squishiest target, if he dies and you’ve got a set like grothdaar on that major + minor with sap spam just may proc some extra VDs after your initial burst.

Sounds good, appreciate the info, plus the sharing of how the rotation would work. Forgive my ignorance, I have no clue when it comes to magicka. What is Sap?

vonknobby

Also would vampire be worth it for a magblade bomber setup? Faster sneak and mag regen sounds nice for this

Iskiab

Also need minor force 10% crit damage buff. Race against time.

vonknobby

Iskiab wrote: »

Also need minor force 10% crit damage buff. Race against time.

I always drag my feet on psijic, suppose I can't do that on this toon lol. Did you used to play warhammer online (your sig)?

Iskiab

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Also need minor force 10% crit damage buff. Race against time.

I always drag my feet on psijic, suppose I can't do that on this toon lol. Did you used to play warhammer online (your sig)?

Yup, officer in Havoc. Played an archmage named Alair, and a KotBS named Selwyn on Avelorn.

vonknobby

Iskiab wrote: »

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Also need minor force 10% crit damage buff. Race against time.

I always drag my feet on psijic, suppose I can't do that on this toon lol. Did you used to play warhammer online (your sig)?

Yup, officer in Havoc. Played an archmage named Alair, and a KotBS named Selwyn on Avelorn.

Very cool, love seeing WAR alum in other games. I played mostly on Gorfang, main was a Choppa/ Warrior Priest, Ripfang (Choppa) Grimwield (WP). Tons of alts too. Played with Opprimo Umbra, Arsenal, and a few others.

Iskiab

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Also need minor force 10% crit damage buff. Race against time.

I always drag my feet on psijic, suppose I can't do that on this toon lol. Did you used to play warhammer online (your sig)?

Yup, officer in Havoc. Played an archmage named Alair, and a KotBS named Selwyn on Avelorn.

Very cool, love seeing WAR alum in other games. I played mostly on Gorfang, main was a Choppa/ Warrior Priest, Ripfang (Choppa) Grimwield (WP). Tons of alts too. Played with Opprimo Umbra, Arsenal, and a few others.

Nice, you’ll love cyrodiil because large group pvp is pretty similar, but no pve part emp/keep nonsense.

It’ll be good to have more people who’ve played large scale too! Most pvpers I think started with World of Wankers so think pvp is all about dueling or small groups, trying to recreate their first MMO pvp experience. No idea it started with 12 mans or even larger groups.

jaws343

Magblade

VD, Spinners, Balorgh

It's a pretty potent combo.

1 Infused, 2 Bloodthirsty, 3 Max spell damage.

Infused large pieces max magic, divines small pieces, also max magic. Lovers mundus is probably best, get as much penetration as possible.

Lightning staff. The AOE boost is valuable and you no longer need to slot a destro skill to make the passive work.

vonknobby

jaws343 wrote: »

Magblade

VD, Spinners, Balorgh

It's a pretty potent combo.

1 Infused, 2 Bloodthirsty, 3 Max spell damage.

Infused large pieces max magic, divines small pieces, also max magic. Lovers mundus is probably best, get as much penetration as possible.

Lightning staff. The AOE boost is valuable and you no longer need to slot a destro skill to make the passive work.

Sorry to revive old post. But I am about done with all of the setup on my bomber. Do you run lightning on main bar? I have seen most using dual wield. Also what does a proper combo look like?

Iskiab

Hum, lightning you’d think would be the best choice of staff but fire might do well. If there are vampires in the cluster killing one will set off the vicious death chain reaction.

vonknobby

Iskiab wrote: »

Hum, lightning you’d think would be the best choice of staff but fire might do well. If there are vampires in the cluster killing one will set off the vicious death chain reaction.

Is dual wield not still best for the flat damage boost?

UppGRAYxDD

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Stamina necro is the best bombblade atm

THIS...Bash Bash Bash Bombers...

jaws343

Lightning boosts all of your AOE damage. And everything in your bomb outside of execute is AOE. It's an 8% damage increase to AOE abilities.

Dual wield gives you a 5% increase to all damage.

However, the destro staff comes with a passive 10% penetration bonus and a increase in applying status effects.

Back when you were forced to slot a skill for those passive abilities, and before enchants were halved on dual wield weapons, dual wield worked out a bit better due to bar space reasons. But, now you get the destro passives just for having the weapon equipped. And, whatever enchant you are using is full power. It makes it far better to front bar than the old dual wield method.

Iskiab

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Hum, lightning you’d think would be the best choice of staff but fire might do well. If there are vampires in the cluster killing one will set off the vicious death chain reaction.

Is dual wield not still best for the flat damage boost?

Each sword is a 2,5% damage increase or 5% damage total, plus the damage bonus vs cc’d players..

Lightning is 8% more aoe damage or something like that.

Fire has a bonus to ST abilities which would not be the best, but vampires take 25% or something more fire damage.

Bombing isn’t my thing so I’m no expert, when I’ve been on the receiving end it’s usually because a glass canon noob is standing by me and dies, starting a vicious death chain reaction.

Maybe someone else can help more.

Rotation is buff up in stealth, ele drain - go when prox det’s about to blow (maybe using lotus fan). Hit soul tether, spam stuff and hope to kill as many as possible.

Best to aim for whoever’s forgotten to reapply their food and under 20k health, if mounted it’s better because they won’t have major ward and resolve up.

When I’ve seen some good ones (40k AP+) it’s been at a transitus stone waiting for a keep to unflag or on a resource flag - look for the idiot who’s still mounted.

vonknobby

Iskiab wrote: »

vonknobby wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Hum, lightning you’d think would be the best choice of staff but fire might do well. If there are vampires in the cluster killing one will set off the vicious death chain reaction.

Is dual wield not still best for the flat damage boost?

Each sword is a 2,5% damage increase or 5% damage total, plus the damage bonus vs cc’d players..

Lightning is 8% more aoe damage.

Fire has a bonus to ST abilities which would be not the best, buy vampires take 25% or something more fire damage.

Bombing isn’t my thing so I’m no expert, when I’ve been on the receiving end it’s usually because a glass canon noob is standing by me and dies, starting a vicious death chain reaction.

Maybe someone else can help more.

Appreciate the help either way!

vonknobby

jaws343 wrote: »

Lightning boosts all of your AOE damage. And everything in your bomb outside of execute is AOE. It's an 8% damage increase to AOE abilities.

Dual wield gives you a 5% increase to all damage.

However, the destro staff comes with a passive 10% penetration bonus and a increase in applying status effects.

Back when you were forced to slot a skill for those passive abilities, and before enchants were halved on dual wield weapons, dual wield worked out a bit better due to bar space reasons. But, now you get the destro passives just for having the weapon equipped. And, whatever enchant you are using is full power. It makes it far better to front bar than the old dual wield method.

That helps a lot for the breakdown, I do appreciate it!!! For non-cp do you prefer sharpened or nirnhoned?

jaws343

vonknobby wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Lightning boosts all of your AOE damage. And everything in your bomb outside of execute is AOE. It's an 8% damage increase to AOE abilities.

Dual wield gives you a 5% increase to all damage.

However, the destro staff comes with a passive 10% penetration bonus and a increase in applying status effects.

Back when you were forced to slot a skill for those passive abilities, and before enchants were halved on dual wield weapons, dual wield worked out a bit better due to bar space reasons. But, now you get the destro passives just for having the weapon equipped. And, whatever enchant you are using is full power. It makes it far better to front bar than the old dual wield method.

That helps a lot for the breakdown, I do appreciate it!!! For non-cp do you prefer sharpened or nirnhoned?

I usually always run with Nirnhoned. But I mostly do CP. I would probably go with Sharpened in no-CP since you cannot make up any penetration deficiencies with CP.

Iskiab

jaws343 wrote: »

However, the destro staff comes with a passive 10% penetration bonus and a increase in applying status effects.
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One small correction, the 10% penetration only applies to destruction staff abilities.

It’s one of the main reasons why destro abilities are good on magblade. Good magblade passives combined with destro pen helps make destro abilities perform better then you’d think from the tooltip.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

your tooltip will be bigger with swords, not just because of the 6%(and it is 6% now @jaws343, @Iskiab, the game floors every percentage based damage amp, so the old 2.5% was only 2% in game, so they "buffed" it to 3% per sword, or 6% for both) but becuase the base spell damage is higher (1572 with dual swords VS 1335 for a lightning destro) and you get to use full nirnhoned + half a sharpened. nirnhoned alone will bring you spell damage up to 1772. so you are looking at a difference of 437 spell damage plus an extra 1286 spell pen and 6% damage boost VS 8% amp to only your aoe damage.

AMeanOne

Dual wield nirn sharpened.

vonknobby

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

your tooltip will be bigger with swords, not just because of the 6%(and it is 6% now @jaws343, @Iskiab, the game floors every percentage based damage amp, so the old 2.5% was only 2% in game, so they "buffed" it to 3% per sword, or 6% for both) but becuase the base spell damage is higher (1572 with dual swords VS 1335 for a lightning destro) and you get to use full nirnhoned + half a sharpened. nirnhoned alone will bring you spell damage up to 1772. so you are looking at a difference of 437 spell damage plus an extra 1286 spell pen and 6% damage boost VS 8% amp to only your aoe damage.

Appreciate the numbers breakdown