Character retirement

richo262

Given we cannot class change, can we have something meaningful for 'retiring' a character?

My Magden is a writ jockey / mule but I made him back when he was useful before Magdens become useless. Unfortunately I've spent too much time on him gathering shards, lore books, quests to justify deleting him. I'm yet to complete the main quest with him because there is no point in playing him.

ZOS obviously doesn't want to cater for class changes for the following reasons

1) People logging in to feed horses boosts their stats
2) People buying crown horse feed is a good crown sink
3) It keeps demand for motifs up
4) They think people might play less (I'd play more if my character was actually useful)

If we could retire characters that have completed Main Quest (Up to Cadwell Silver), Fighters Guild (Quest & Lvl10), Mages Guild (Quests & Lvl10), has researched everything, has full horse feed. The result being 100 (200 for ESO+) extra bank slots, I would play and research on my magden in a heartbeat simply to retire him.

This is really just a QOL for people that use mules.

ZOS could even make it so that when you retire a character you also lose the character slot, meaning you need to spend 1500 crowns to get it back (the crown cost).

Tsar_Gekkou

Make it a healer. That's what I did and i'm glad I did it.

richo262

To prevent endless bank increases. Have a max of 3 characters.

Character 1 - 100 slots (200 slots ESO+)
Character 2 - 40 slots (80 slots ESO+)
Character 3 - 20 slots (40 slots (ESO+)

Result = 400 slots in the bank, 800 slots with ESO+.

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Make it a healer. That's what I did and i'm glad I did it.

Possibly, but I'd still use this. I'd probably retire my Templar healer and move my Templar healer gear to my Warden. Ultimately, I don't enjoy healing.

Jamdarius

MagDens are still nice for PvP, if you like to PvP pls do try it before retiring it completely.

richo262

Jamdarius wrote: »

MagDens are still nice for PvP, if you like to PvP pls do try it before retiring it completely.

I'll admit he does quite well in pvp, but with my ping (300+) taking pvp seriously is not really possible.

This idea was certainly inspired by the current state of the Magden but many people have made characters they don't enjoy come end game and get little use. I understand why ZOS doesn't want class change, so this is to factor in ZOS's position (if they were being honest about it) and the many that have created characters that get little to no use, or people that use mules. This is simply a QOL for them.

wishlist14

It would be great if you could say if you pve or pvp and also what activities you enjoy doing.

I played my magden in pve even when some players were complaining that they were weak. I still managed to do vet dungeons and normal trials.

If you are referring to nerfs to meta then I can't comment about that but it does seem to usually be that pvp/pve min maxers find it the hardest to adjust to class balancing imo. I guess min maxers do notice it more and that is reasonable.

I still play all my characters regardless of nerfs because there is always some tinkering i can do on them. I now have 3 new necromancers so its back to doing harborages, dolmens, pvp, psijiic order, lore books and skyshards aswell as dungeons.

The positives are that eso is always evolving so classes will,get rebalanced again at some point and you have craftimg skills on your magden so it's not just a mule it's your crafter. Many players have crafters they only craft and farm on.

I sometimes get on characters just to do one specific activity and then put it away again but it's there for the future. The reality is we can only play one character at a time really.i think in rpgmmos we all know that playing just the 1 class isnt ideal anymore.

I am not saying you don't have a right to feel upset because you do, it's your game. I guess you need to vent right? Im just saying that if things don't change then the only option really is to stay upset or adjust somehow.

Merlight

richo262 wrote: »

This idea was certainly inspired by the current state of the Magden...

Then it makes even less sense, of which it didn't make much, anyway. One patch ZOS implements this (zero chance btw), you trade 200 mule slots for 100 bank slots. Next patch ZOS buffs Magden, you come requesting they pull your Magden back to work.

wishlist14

richo262 wrote: »

To prevent endless bank increases. Have a max of 3 characters.

Character 1 - 100 slots (200 slots ESO+)
Character 2 - 40 slots (80 slots ESO+)
Character 3 - 20 slots (40 slots (ESO+)

Result = 400 slots in the bank, 800 slots with ESO+.

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Make it a healer. That's what I did and i'm glad I did it.

Possibly, but I'd still use this. I'd probably retire my Templar healer and move my Templar healer gear to my Warden. Ultimately, I don't enjoy healing.

I thought templar healers were still going strong.

richo262

wishlist14 wrote: »

It would be great if you could say if you pve or pvp and also what activities you enjoy doing.

I played my magden in pve even when some players were complaining that they were weak. I still managed to do vet dungeons and normal trials.

If you are referring to nerfs to meta then I can't comment about that but it does seem to usually be that pvp/pve min maxers find it the hardest to adjust to class balancing imo. I guess min maxers do notice it more and that is reasonable.

I still play all my characters regardless of nerfs because there is always some tinkering i can do on them. I now have 3 new necromancers so its back to doing harborages, dolmens, pvp, psijiic order, lore books and skyshards assell as dungeons.

The positives are that eso is always evolving so classes will,get rebalanced again at some point and you have craftimg skills on your magden so it's not just a mule it's your crafter. Many players have crafters they only craft and farm on.

I sometimes get on characters just to do one specific activity and then put it away again but it's there for the future. The reality is we can only play one character at a time really.i think in rpgmmos we all know that playing just the 1 class isnt ideal anymore.

I am not saying you don't have a right to feel upset because you do, it's your game. I guess you need to vent right? Im just saying that if things don't change then the only option really is to stay upset or adjust somehow.

I didn't list my preferred play style because I wasn't asking for advice. This was a feature request, it doesn't even need to be for people that despise their character, they may have simply made a mule character. They can, if they have been feeding their horse and being doing some research, play on that mule to clear our some quest content, main quest, fighters guild, mages guild etc and transfer those 200 slots (only 100 if don't have ESO+) to their bank by retiring their character. QOL more than anything. It also allows for people that simply do not enjoy their character to retire it.

I have a Stamden that is a Dark Elf, so he can simply change out to MagDen if the Magden ever becomes useful (ie, greater than Stamden) for PVE.

I'm not even particularly venting, the Magden is simply outperformed by everything in PVE, so when I play, I use any other character. My Magden is a mule I only log into to do writs on. QOL = I would sacrifice the writs, to have his inventory slots added to my bank.

richo262

Merlight wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

This idea was certainly inspired by the current state of the Magden...

Then it makes even less sense, of which it didn't make much, anyway. One patch ZOS implements this (zero chance btw), you trade 200 mule slots for 100 bank slots. Next patch ZOS buffs Magden, you come requesting they pull your Magden back to work.

No. That would be my problem. Besides it is not different to deleting, once gone it is gone.

People clearly are not reading the initial message, and are caught up on the state of the Magden. I don't like Magden. That is it. Irrelevant really, this was a feature request for anybody that has mule characters.

phaneub17_ESO

I have no problem deleting a fully maxed out character to recreate it. I have done it at least a dozen times.

Nimrhys

Just keep them, retire them to your house. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day, Magdens will be viable again for whatever it is you do. Change is ever present.

idk

What is new becomes old and what is old becomes new again. Same goes for the stronger classes and for that matter weaker ones.

We just need to start calling for nerfs of all the other classes then OP will have a BiS Magden once again. lol

KobaSSTheSlumpGod

Honestly, why do you even need extra bank slots? With this idea, retiring a character would be as much useless and time wasting as deleting it.
There are better solutions to avoid a full bank
IE. the house's chests; if you don't want to spend real money on them, they're still obtainable with vouchers and telvars (iirc)
Or just make a new character used just as a bank (if you have a free slot)
On the worst case, you can still create a guild just to bank your items in it. It's actually pretty easy to find 10 peeps; I've already done this and even in zone chat they're kinda helpful - even tho you can't rely on this method as much.
Also, losing a character slot? After I paid 1,5k crowns for it? I know I'm not obligated to retire it or anything but, I honestly think nobody would ever do that - at least, not people with common sense

Danikat

Merlight wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

This idea was certainly inspired by the current state of the Magden...

Then it makes even less sense, of which it didn't make much, anyway. One patch ZOS implements this (zero chance btw), you trade 200 mule slots for 100 bank slots. Next patch ZOS buffs Magden, you come requesting they pull your Magden back to work.

That's my question too. What happens when a character you've retired becomes useful again? Do you have to make another one and start over, or would there be some way to 'unretire' them and lose the benefits - and ZOS just have to deal with players complaining that they're forced to choose between 100 bank slots or a playable character.

It seems like a lot of hassle and guaranteed future frustration for some players when you can already 'retire' a character by using them as a mule - all you need to do is fully upgrade their inventory and you've got 200 slots to store stuff. And then if you want to use them again all you need to do is move that stuff somewhere else.

richo262

KobaSSTheSlumpGod wrote: »

Honestly, why do you even need extra bank slots? With this idea, retiring a character would be as much useless and time wasting as deleting it.
There are better solutions to avoid a full bank
IE. the house's chests; if you don't want to spend real money on them, they're still obtainable with vouchers and telvars (iirc)
Or just make a new character used just as a bank (if you have a free slot)
On the worst case, you can still create a guild just to bank your items in it. It's actually pretty easy to find 10 peeps; I've already done this and even in zone chat they're kinda helpful - even tho you can't rely on this method as much.
Also, losing a character slot? After I paid 1,5k crowns for it? I know I'm not obligated to retire it or anything but, I honestly think nobody would ever do that - at least, not people with common sense

You've just listed all the inconveniences people presently use. The purpose of QoL is to remove inconveniences. Having a mule is something you need to log into. Retiring the mule and gaining 100 (200 ESO+) slot in the bank is the same thing, but you don't need to relog. 1.5k crowns is simply something I raised to entice ZOS, not really required, but it is a cost given the large bump in bank space. Optional to retire or not.

Danikat wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

This idea was certainly inspired by the current state of the Magden...

Then it makes even less sense, of which it didn't make much, anyway. One patch ZOS implements this (zero chance btw), you trade 200 mule slots for 100 bank slots. Next patch ZOS buffs Magden, you come requesting they pull your Magden back to work.

That's my question too. What happens when a character you've retired becomes useful again? Do you have to make another one and start over, or would there be some way to 'unretire' them and lose the benefits - and ZOS just have to deal with players complaining that they're forced to choose between 100 bank slots or a playable character.

It seems like a lot of hassle and guaranteed future frustration for some players when you can already 'retire' a character by using them as a mule - all you need to do is fully upgrade their inventory and you've got 200 slots to store stuff. And then if you want to use them again all you need to do is move that stuff somewhere else.

What happens when it becomes useful again? You make another one? That is the point, ZOS doesn't want class change because they want everyone to grind the horse feed. This lets players that have a mule character, or a character that they do not enjoy to be wiped for a benefit. ZOS would receive the same amount of complaints from people that deleted characters only to find they wanted it back a few months later. Tough ***.

Edziu

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I have no problem deleting a fully maxed out character to recreate it. I have done it at least a dozen times.

so what about character which have around 30k achievs and done almost or literally every possible quest beside those newest?

erlewine

would be pretty handy honestly, i have 2 or 3 mule toons and although inventory insight works fine for finding stuff from them, it'd be nice to just have them converted into bank slots.

Edziu

for me this ide isnt good at all
I dont care for additional items space for your price so for what character have achieved before retired

more I care about to keep some things which this charater have achieved and transfer those to another char so we would get done something for your "new" main which we will not do it 2nd time at all, never but we could keep this on our new mains at which we want have everything completed but have no time, no power to repeat many just tedious, very slow/long things etc

like from me...I had and nb since beta...have done literally everything what was possible in base game content pve, every quest etc from dlc's up to before summerset, 28k+ achievs points and what? for almsot 2 years I dont play this character becasue Im still sick of jsut nb class...the est thing is this I stopped playing this character when it was mid time of meta of stamblade..

and Im not going to repeat again that much on my other char becasue simply I dont have that much time anymore and mno willings...which I have done on this char within 3 years now will take me good 6 years with not to mention Im also not going to spent next millions of gold fo that many motifs to learn on another char, no just no

barney2525

This is just another thread that says - " Make everything account wide so new characters don't have to earn their stuff "

richo262

barney2525 wrote: »

This is just another thread that says - " Make everything account wide so new characters don't have to earn their stuff "

You must be posting in the wrong thread. Go be self righteous somewhere else.

richo262

Edziu wrote: »

for me this ide isnt good at all
I dont care for additional items space for your price so for what character have achieved before retired

more I care about to keep some things which this charater have achieved and transfer those to another char so we would get done something for your "new" main which we will not do it 2nd time at all, never but we could keep this on our new mains at which we want have everything completed but have no time, no power to repeat many just tedious, very slow/long things etc

like from me...I had and nb since beta...have done literally everything what was possible in base game content pve, every quest etc from dlc's up to before summerset, 28k+ achievs points and what? for almsot 2 years I dont play this character becasue Im still sick of jsut nb class...the est thing is this I stopped playing this character when it was mid time of meta of stamblade..

and Im not going to repeat again that much on my other char becasue simply I dont have that much time anymore and mno willings...which I have done on this char within 3 years now will take me good 6 years with not to mention Im also not going to spent next millions of gold fo that many motifs to learn on another char, no just no

I feel ya, but class change was ruled out, for now. Hopefully that gets reassessed.

Edziu

richo262 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

for me this ide isnt good at all
I dont care for additional items space for your price so for what character have achieved before retired

more I care about to keep some things which this charater have achieved and transfer those to another char so we would get done something for your "new" main which we will not do it 2nd time at all, never but we could keep this on our new mains at which we want have everything completed but have no time, no power to repeat many just tedious, very slow/long things etc

like from me...I had and nb since beta...have done literally everything what was possible in base game content pve, every quest etc from dlc's up to before summerset, 28k+ achievs points and what? for almsot 2 years I dont play this character becasue Im still sick of jsut nb class...the est thing is this I stopped playing this character when it was mid time of meta of stamblade..

and Im not going to repeat again that much on my other char becasue simply I dont have that much time anymore and mno willings...which I have done on this char within 3 years now will take me good 6 years with not to mention Im also not going to spent next millions of gold fo that many motifs to learn on another char, no just no

I feel ya, but class change was ruled out, for now. Hopefully that gets reassessed.

yep, as you wrote on start

4) They think people might play less

this is realy wrong thinking from their side and they have very big problem with understanding this, as for me I currently play much more because I stopped to care about things to be completionist, like achiev hunter etc because of how it work currently, if I had an option to transfer progress from 1 char to another - so simply class change it woudl be :v...

I would then still be completionist to complete everything which is possible etc but unfortunately Im not on this anymore as not only I dont want to repeat that much on jsut different character...as I also wrote it is nonsense with time how much now it would take to repeat this all on "new" main while still having releasing new content

Swifigames

When I read 'character retirement' I think of no particular day in the future... when a characters name was so superb and most excellent that ZOS decides to take that characters name and dedicates it to an NPC.
Like numbers on a jersey in a sporting arena, but ESO style.

That's what I'd call a nice retirement!

barney2525

richo262 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

This is just another thread that says - " Make everything account wide so new characters don't have to earn their stuff "

You must be posting in the wrong thread. Go be self righteous somewhere else.

Ah.

Can't defend your position so you throw insults. How quaint.

Either delete the character or don't, but you don't "Lose" much if you do. So what if they collected skyshards? If you want you can go buy them for the next character. So what If he collected lots of scrolls? They are worthless on a character that is not being played. So what if your horse is slow on the new character? Do writs everyday, turn them in and run over to the stable. You won't even feel the cost. So what if they new the most Motifs? You don't lose them. They are still in the outfit system even though that character is gone. So what if they did all the exploration and got a lot of Dyes? You don't lose them. So what if he was a werewolf or a vampire? The dyes stay even if the character is gone.

Only character you might keep forever is your Master Crafter. And that takes up all of ONE slot.

Just not seeing why this is such a huge issue.

During the Elsweyr prologue, on the way to Jode's Light, my Altmer Magicka sorc got in a fight with a werewolf. Didn't think much of it at the time, but it ended up giving my sorc the bite, so to speak. Something I did NOT want. Never tried WW, so I completed the process to see what, if any, benefits it might have. That would be NONE.

Every passive only comes into play when you are in WW form which was never going to happen. Character was level 30 by the by. But I was not pleased with some of the aspects of the character, and was already considering deleting and starting over before the WW bite. So now it was either go through the nuisance of removing the lycanthropy or saving everything I could to the bank and deleting the character.

*delete*

Making a new character is just not that big a deal

richo262

It wasn't an insult. It was a fact. You are being smug, you are claiming this is "another thread about account wide stuff", which it isn't. It is about a method of integrating mule characters into the bank slots as a QoL. Something that already happens on accounts. You are then using this as an opportunity to demonstrate your smugness.

You have then chosen to double down on smuggetry by introducing your solution to spend money on shards, to downplay the 6 months of horse feeding and 8 months of researching. Motifs also allow for crafting, not just outfits. You also missed the point where I said a requirement of such a benefit is to actually spend time on the character demonstrated by feeding horses and researching and completing the main quest. So yes, you would lose that, but it becomes worth it, it wouldn't make sense to retire something that did not accomplish anything.

Level 30 character, whoa, what a loss.

rpa

I'd suggest making your character a healer or if you don't want to play that class any more, there still are uses for a char like a fisher, cook, merchant or a storage unit.

I myself tend to play one or two character at time while my other chars collect dust (and partial set pieces and riding skills in this gaem). And its fine for me.

Tasear

wishlist14 wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

To prevent endless bank increases. Have a max of 3 characters.

Character 1 - 100 slots (200 slots ESO+)
Character 2 - 40 slots (80 slots ESO+)
Character 3 - 20 slots (40 slots (ESO+)

Result = 400 slots in the bank, 800 slots with ESO+.

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

Make it a healer. That's what I did and i'm glad I did it.

Possibly, but I'd still use this. I'd probably retire my Templar healer and move my Templar healer gear to my Warden. Ultimately, I don't enjoy healing.

I thought templar healers were still going strong.

Look at eso logs. Warden is showing up as top dog. Also there's even Nightblade and dragon knight healer competing. You have to be careful not be mislead by others perception of truths.

ryzen_gamer_gal

Wait necromancers are allowed to join the psih=jic line? after the manimarco fiasco, i would highly doubt they would permit that.

ZOS, really? No Psijic necromancers! NERF the necros! no Psijic line for necros!

Katahdin

If you don't have one. Make it a stamden, change its race if needs be. Or if you do, make one a tank, the other dps.

I have 18 characters, I don't play all of them all the time. I use most as mules to store various armor, jewlery and weapons sets I'd like to try or am saving. I don't have to log into them all the time, just once in a while when I need to

They are not going to let you trade character slots for bank slots because eso+ has all double slot incentive.

We have so much storage space available already. Hoarders need to stop hoarding so much crap. Myself included.

Bigevilpeter

have 12 maxed out characters, most of them retire anyways without being a bad class, but yeah my magden is now a tank, my stamplar is a bank, basically my all of themare retired except my stamcro, stamdk, magpar and DK tank