Will you tough it out with Magicka Necromancer?

leokafilyeb17_ESO

Curious as I'm feeling incredibly torn and frustrated now, love the theme of the class, love my Altmer Necromancer, but dislike how poor it measures up to my Magsorc, trying to decide now if it's still worth maining it, and just keeping with it despite the inherent...suckiness (recalling an earlier dungeon where my blastbones could never reach the boss because of pathing makes me shudder and cringe though).

I dunno, part of me wants to tough it out, just go do every overland map over the next couple months and hope they'll release some fixes/buffs, but what do you guys thing?

MashmalloMan

If your only concern and focus is overland and pug dungeons, then I doubt the shortcoming's of the class really matter to you. They no doubt need fixes, but that will come with patches (hopefully, we shall see). You need to listen less to the forums as a new player. You've posted 5+ threads in the past week about this concern and I can't help but feel your wasting your time.

If you enjoy the theme of a class and can manage the difficult rotation that is all that matters. They are not weak, no class in this game is really weak since all DD's can perform relatively close in the right hands.

This is an MMO and there will always be a couple classes at the top of the meta for awhile, if you start chasing it you will never be happy.

Plus there is a lot at play here, you can't compare them directly from just solo/4man group play. I don't know if you realized, but Necro doesn't have Major Sorcery and Mag Sorc does. I somehow doubt your using Major Sorcery pots or if you knew Entropy can provide that buff from the Mages Guild skill line. Mag Sorc is kind of a newby friendly class in that it has great passive self heals from the Major Sorcery buff, passive and permanent pets (thus simpler rotation) and shields.

I'd love to get more information here. What level are you? What gear do you use? What content are you playing?

LukosCreyden

Judging from the AUA on reddit, the devs are currently looking at Necromancer, so I would expect at least SOMETHING to be done to help it.

I really enjoy the gameplay of magcro, even if it has an identity crisis and wants to be a melee mage. I've wanted to play a Necromancer since ESO released and stamcro doesn't quite fill that void (even though it looks fun).

I will tough it out. Even if I'm the last Magcro in Cyrodiil/BG's/Trials, so be it.

leokafilyeb17_ESO

Well you would think 'it shouldn't matter to you if you just pug dungeons' but it kinda does, as an example, I ran the Wrathstone dungeon on both sorcerer and necromancer, the performance difference isn't as marginal as you make it out to be.

Yeah I get that Magicka Sorcerers are newbie friendly and have all the needed buffs rolled into one but here's the thing; when one of my key damage abilities will literally not be usable on certain fights (Can't even tell which until I've tried) that's...a pretty major letdown. Like my god the radiant orb boss? It was such an easy breeze on my sorcerer compared to my necromancer trying to put out the damage.

On top of that, pugs or not, veteran or normal, newcomer or not etc. I want to feel like I'm contributing to my party with what I'm playing and not have them go "Ugh a magicka necromancer" or have the other dps feel like they have to pick up the slack on my behalf. Also I'm CP200 and I'm using mix match of Julianos and Mother's Sorrow bought from guild traders.

And yeah, 'everything' works solo overland, but again the differences aren't as subtle or marginal as some people say. When my sorc can sweep through a public dungeon killing everything without pausing for a second while my Necromancer does it in twice the time, that's a big difference. Again, I know sorcerer is 'simpler' but it's not just the simplicity making it a better damage dealer, mainly it's that every ability it has can actually be used on a boss. I know I'm harping on blastbones a lot but it's hard to ignore/write off.

phwaap

I don't get what you're having problems with. Yes, there are some sub-optimal things with some of the skills. I don't do competitive end game stuff but for general PVE this is a great class. If you're looking for a "main" I don't see how you are doing this either. Of all my toons, this is easily the one that allows me to be the most reckless.

I've been farming vet/public dungeons for gear. 50-60% of damage np and I'm usually in the middle of the mayhem at melee range. I don't often look at metrics but it's probably the first character I've noticed doing 50k+ dps.

The survivability with Hungry Scythe and Spirit Guardian is insane. The bigger the mob the better. In public dungeons, I encourage mobs to join me on bosses.

Stalking Blastbones a bit indecisive? Who cares. I fire it off at range when I see a mob and forget about it. By the time it gets there and corpses, a graveyard is coming up on the mob around me. Everything starts dying. Then the corpse ratcheting starts in earnest with mystic siphon.

One other thing I like about it is that I'm using almost all necro skills, and only loosely following some of the builds out there. When I go into battle there are a lot of things coming out of the ground or thin air.

erlewine

mag wardens are gonna be buffed any day now guys

oh wait we're talkign about that new class that has been released in the time that that magden has been the worst class in the entire game for trials for the entire period of their existence... hmm, i think id keep my expectations on mag necro low

Wolfpaw

Hey now no cuts in line, behind my magden!

iCaliban

My mag warden and necro are both crafters. Wont change till they get buffed.

Runefang

I got my Magcro to 50 and it won't be used any anything but a writ slave until the problems are solved. If it was just low dps I could deal with it since it can still provide major vuln and a synergy. But the skills are buggy, inconsistent and just difficult to use.

katorga

I'm starting to keep a list of how many DLC bosses and world bosses the Blast Bones (mag or stam) just will NOT work on.

If the BB doesn't work, most of the time a siphon tether at the boss's feet does NOT do damage either.

ESO_Nightingale

I personally think It's got a few issues that need to be ironed out with mystic siphon, skeleton mage and blastbones. Making them more reliable. Along with a little bit of power shift out of ultimates and into said skills. Going forward magicka necromancer will be one of my mains because I've just been loving my time with it in pvp. But it's got issues. I've noticed a few casting bugs that i don't see on other classes too. Its the first patch. But i really like it so far.

Anhedonie

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Judging from the AUA on reddit, the devs are currently looking at Necromancer, so I would expect at least SOMETHING to be done to help it.

I really enjoy the gameplay of magcro, even if it has an identity crisis and wants to be a melee mage. I've wanted to play a Necromancer since ESO released and stamcro doesn't quite fill that void (even though it looks fun).

I will tough it out. Even if I'm the last Magcro in Cyrodiil/BG's/Trials, so be it.

Ask magicka wardens how "looking at it" worked out for them 2 years later.

Palidon

I sure will. Having a blast playing the class and it holds it own in PvE. For PvP it still has some kinks to be ironed out with some of it class abilities but with well though out gear combinations and skill rotation can be played and be enjoyable there also.

Savos_Saren

Ran PVP with my MagCro last night. I thought I was going to be pretty squishy- but the survivability is pretty good and there's a lot of great group skills.

I just ran the same setup that I usually run on my magic-based characters (5l/1m/1h w/2 protective traits) Chudan, Innate, Rattlecage. Once ZOS fixes Blastbones- it'll hit harder, too.

lucky_Sage

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Judging from the AUA on reddit, the devs are currently looking at Necromancer, so I would expect at least SOMETHING to be done to help it.

I really enjoy the gameplay of magcro, even if it has an identity crisis and wants to be a melee mage. I've wanted to play a Necromancer since ESO released and stamcro doesn't quite fill that void (even though it looks fun).

I will tough it out. Even if I'm the last Magcro in Cyrodiil/BG's/Trials, so be it.

I always wanted to be a frost mage since launch we see how that went with the warden

ESO_Nightingale

lucky_Sage wrote: »

LukosCreyden wrote: »

Judging from the AUA on reddit, the devs are currently looking at Necromancer, so I would expect at least SOMETHING to be done to help it.

I really enjoy the gameplay of magcro, even if it has an identity crisis and wants to be a melee mage. I've wanted to play a Necromancer since ESO released and stamcro doesn't quite fill that void (even though it looks fun).

I will tough it out. Even if I'm the last Magcro in Cyrodiil/BG's/Trials, so be it.

I always wanted to be a frost mage since launch we see how that went with the warden

i still think that magden will be the only chance for a full frost mage. lots of work needs to be done to make magden better. and winter's embrace is totally open for more damage skills that magden needs.

erlewine

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

i still think that magden will be the only chance for a full frost mage. lots of work needs to be done to make magden better. and winter's embrace is totally open for more damage skills that magden needs.

I don't know about that. One change can make all the difference. Case in point: Necro ult

luen79rwb17_ESO

Once again I preordered a chapter for a joke bunch of magicka characters... Omg third's the charm they said but IDK yet how that charm gonna work out for me, skip the chapter? Or will ZOS convince me that the next class truly gonna work for magicka???

Massacre_Wurm

Unless you making or planning score runs why you even care ?
With 9-10k difference on the raid dummy you can clear any content easily.
But if you want to be competitive just dump it imo

LittlePinkDot

Nope, im making a pvp khajiit Stamina necro ganker.

ESO_Nightingale

erlewine wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

i still think that magden will be the only chance for a full frost mage. lots of work needs to be done to make magden better. and winter's embrace is totally open for more damage skills that magden needs.

I don't know about that. One change can make all the difference. Case in point: Necro ult

it's an elementalist with shock and fire as well as frost.

Joxer61

of course...…...

Grianasteri

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Curious as I'm feeling incredibly torn and frustrated now, love the theme of the class, love my Altmer Necromancer, but dislike how poor it measures up to my Magsorc, trying to decide now if it's still worth maining it, and just keeping with it despite the inherent...suckiness (recalling an earlier dungeon where my blastbones could never reach the boss because of pathing makes me shudder and cringe though).

I dunno, part of me wants to tough it out, just go do every overland map over the next couple months and hope they'll release some fixes/buffs, but what do you guys thing?

I'm not toughing anything out. I'm playing a brand new, exciting class with new and interesting skills and I am absolutely loving it.

Are there a few issues, yip, I have no doubt some will be addressed in due course.

ESO_Nightingale

Grianasteri wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Curious as I'm feeling incredibly torn and frustrated now, love the theme of the class, love my Altmer Necromancer, but dislike how poor it measures up to my Magsorc, trying to decide now if it's still worth maining it, and just keeping with it despite the inherent...suckiness (recalling an earlier dungeon where my blastbones could never reach the boss because of pathing makes me shudder and cringe though).

I dunno, part of me wants to tough it out, just go do every overland map over the next couple months and hope they'll release some fixes/buffs, but what do you guys thing?

I'm not toughing anything out. I'm playing a brand new, exciting class with new and interesting skills and I am absolutely loving it.

Are there a few issues, yip, I have no doubt some will be addressed in due course.

i mostly agree. bar for "I have no doubt some will be addressed in due course."

This is ZOS. Not exactly the most consistent when it comes to addressing problems. to put it lightly. they do address some stuff. sometimes they do what we need them to do. and other times we get silence incap.

aresula

My mag warden got screwed hard. So did my dunmer mag DK. Lost both my racial and like half my dps.

I figure of all the classes that exist which would be built around a magic build, surely it would be the necromancer right? RIGHT?

By the time I found out I made a mistake I was already too deep into my breton vampire mag necro. Insult to injury I put it on the wrong alliance too so I'm doubly screwed if I want to do pvp content on it.

aresula

I honestly don't know why magicka builds exist they always seem to be the lowest performing dps for the class.

xpixelatedtkox

aresula wrote: »

I honestly don't know why magicka builds exist they always seem to be the lowest performing dps for the class.

Because not everyone wants to do a stamina build... it would be boring if everyone was doing the exact same thing.

Anyway... I do hope they fix the bugs with Magicka Necromancer because I enjoy the class and had fun coming up with my name and overall look/identity. I don't RP or anything, but it has an overall feel I enjoy and would really like to keep her as my main.

MisterNublet

Nope. I even canceled my subscription.

Wanted to switch from Magicka/Healer Warden to Magicka/Healer Necro, but Necro is just as bad or even worse. No reason to stick around in hopes they'll fix Necro given ZOS' history with Warden.

blkjag

Nope. It is extremely disappointing and wasn’t that fun for me.

Nephthys

Admittedly I am not a high-end player but I just love my Magicka Necromancer. Having so much fun with her. My poor Sorcerer is the one that has been relagated to the task crafter.

Tessitura

I am gonna stick with it because I refuse to play sorc, and refuse to be a knock-off Death knight from WoW by going stam. I wish they would just make the mag necromancer a real necromancer. It doesn't need to be a melee mage, pretty much all magicka class have been forced into that so lets not do that again. Just give it something to kite with please, and maybe a magicka execute. Also, about some minions that are not garbage? I am struggling to build a necromancers that actually has undead in it's arsenal. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?